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Karl is the Son the Eternal God uncreated just like the Father is the Eternal God and uncreated ?

That there was no time when the Son did not exist as the Eternal God.
If I may answer,lol, Jesus was God who came down as a man, he was pure in every area and Holy, if God hadn’t sent his Son down, we would never be able to be reunited back to God, ..

God couldn’t come down as he is, as we would all perish, so, he sent his Son, in order that we could be saved/ birthed in the Spirit.....God draws us to Jesus....Jesus is the only way to be reunited back to God.

Just my thoughts and belief.
 
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If I may answer,lol, Jesus was God who came down as a man, he was pure in every area and Holy, if God hadn’t sent his Son down, we would never be able to be reunited back to God, ..

God couldn’t come down as he is, as we would all perish, so, he sent his Son, in order that we could be saved/ birthed in the Spirit.....God draws us to Jesus....Jesus is the only way to be reunited back to God.

Just my thoughts and belief.
When you are saying God above could not come down as a man do you mean the Father ?

If so I agree.
 
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When you are saying God above could not come down as a man do you mean the Father ?
Yes, I mean the Father,Lol

1 Corinthians 8:6​

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him
 
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hmmm....

Matthew 5:8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

What does this mean? When I look at it I see the frustrations of the poster that made the OP. People that aren't loving offering condemnation in their words towards sinners. And people that don't fit into their idea of what is right.
I have zero idea what the poster posted .
But i do notice something . And i aint saying you mean this either .
I notice that todays version of love seems to see warnings and reminders not to sin , or correction of sin
as offering CONDMENATION to folks . I am here to tell us THIS AINT TRUE at all .
Lest we want to accuse the sharpness of paul , jude , james and THE VERY CHRIST HIMSELF of offering CONDEMNATION .
Cause i must be very , very honest about something . WHEN we read the bible
I see a way different version of love , correction , truth and unity , THAN what i see a lot of folks trying to pass off today .
SO let us all repeat this phrase . IT AINT CONDEMNATION to warn against sin IN THE CHURCH .
IT aint condmenation to even cast out folks in sin who wont repent of said sin .
IT aint condemnation , ITS NECESSARY and its needful . WHEN LOVE that comes
shuts down correction , gravity , sincerity , I gotta say IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , HIS CHRIST
, the SPIRIT , or the apostel i read about in the early church . Me thinks this generation is IN LOVE
with A LOVE that COMETH NOT OF GOD , BUT OF THE WORLD . No one , not you or the poster is being accused .
ITS JUST A REAL SERIOUS and REAL FRIENDLY REMINDER , that is HIGH TIME WE GET our OURSELVES IN THAT BIBLE
and learn THAT doctrine , that approach , very and i do mean VERY WELL .
 
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When you are saying God above could not come down as a man do you mean the Father ?

If so I agree.
WHEN GOD appears , JESUS IS IN ALL HIS GLORY , wont no flesh be able to survive .
EVEN the lambs will be INSTANTLY CHANGED .
But i will remind us of something . JESUS DIDNT APPEAR IN ALL HIS GLORY .
THE WORD SIMPLY BECAME FLESH . THE REASON HE is even CALLED the SON OF GOD .
WELL that can be found in the first chapter of luke . THE HOLY SPIRIT SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE
therefore .............................
BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS . GOD IS HIS WORD and HIS WORD IS HE .
Never let them convince us otherwise .
 

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Keturah i am seeing this massive , massive problem within even christanity .
I am seeing this so called love that calls any kind of warning , rebuking , correction against SIN as being CONDEMNATION .
IF that is condemnation getting preached , THEN my advice to all is this , are we accusing JESUS and the apostels
of preaching condemnation . CAUSE ER last one of them REBUKED and CORRECTED SIN , SINFUL BEHAVOIR
EVEN the acceptance of sin . THEY Didnt tolerate sin in the way this generation has learned to tolerate sin .
To this generation love and being tolerant , means overlooking errors , NOT CORRECTING ERRORS .
SEE correcting errors is now seen as being JUDGMENTAL and CONDEMINING ONE .
BUT again if that be the case , WHAT ON EARTH ARE THEY ACCUSING JESUS OF and the apostels OF .
This generation has learned a tolerance , a love , a unity , a freedom , ONLY IT AINT THE GODLY VERSION OF IT
ITS THE WORDLY VERSION OF IT .
And what has this led too . LEAVEN RISING UP BIG TIME . NOT ONLY that but what has it led too as well ,
THE HATRED OF TRUTH and ANY REMINDER OF THE TRUTH .
IF this seemeth hard to beleive . THEN i invite people to go into churches or on websites and
SIMPLY BRING REMINDERS OF SCRIPTURE that show what GOD hates , what HE calls sin .
AND IF ITS CERTAIN SINS , YOU GONNA HEAR THIS . JUDGE NOT , GOD IS LOVE , JUDGE NOT , LEST YE BE JUDGED .
You cant even bring scripture , or at least CERTAIN scriptures into EVEN THE CHURCH anymore
without someone hollering hater , judger , condemner . But if you dont beleive me
DO THIS and see what happens .
IF you try and say ONE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS and that if one does not they will be damned
JUST watch what some will tell you . GOD IS LOVE , JUDGE NOT , IF THEY LOVE IT DONT MATTER WHAT THEY BELIEVE .
OR bring in this reminder . Man will not lie with man . AND JUST watch what you get told .
BUT IF I were to bring in a rainbow and said GOD is fine with all this , ITS LOVE and HE IS LOVE
MOST folks would etiher agree , or at sit silent . BUT IT SURE WONT BE CORRECTED .
THIS NEW AGE SENSUAL LOVE IS TAKING OVER EVERYTHING . SINS , certain sins are now being HONORED
and it a man even dares to whisper its wrong , EVEN THE CHURCH TURNS ON HIM and says
JUDGE NOT HATER , JUDGE NOT . WE are in dire trouble my friend . I been called more names
than i can list , let alone say in the presence of folks due to they are four letter or to the same effect .
AND FOR WHAT . FOR WHAT . Because i correct sin , because i desire none to perish , BECAUSE I SAY ONE HAS TO BELEIVE IN JESUS .
 

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Yes, I mean the Father,Lol

1 Corinthians 8:6​

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him
I have zero idea what the poster posted .
But i do notice something . And i aint saying you mean this either .
I notice that todays version of love seems to see warnings and reminders not to sin , or correction of sin
as offering CONDMENATION to folks . I am here to tell us THIS AINT TRUE at all .
Lest we want to accuse the sharpness of paul , jude , james and THE VERY CHRIST HIMSELF of offering CONDEMNATION .
Cause i must be very , very honest about something . WHEN we read the bible
I see a way different version of love , correction , truth and unity , THAN what i see a lot of folks trying to pass off today .
SO let us all repeat this phrase . IT AINT CONDEMNATION to warn against sin IN THE CHURCH .
IT aint condmenation to even cast out folks in sin who wont repent of said sin .
IT aint condemnation , ITS NECESSARY and its needful . WHEN LOVE that comes
shuts down correction , gravity , sincerity , I gotta say IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , HIS CHRIST
, the SPIRIT , or the apostel i read about in the early church . Me thinks this generation is IN LOVE
with A LOVE that COMETH NOT OF GOD , BUT OF THE WORLD . No one , not you or the poster is being accused .
ITS JUST A REAL SERIOUS and REAL FRIENDLY REMINDER , that is HIGH TIME WE GET our OURSELVES IN THAT BIBLE
and learn THAT doctrine , that approach , very and i do mean VERY WEL
 

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I have zero idea what the poster posted .
But i do notice something . And i aint saying you mean this either .
I notice that todays version of love seems to see warnings and reminders not to sin , or correction of sin
as offering CONDMENATION to folks . I am here to tell us THIS AINT TRUE at all .
Lest we want to accuse the sharpness of paul , jude , james and THE VERY CHRIST HIMSELF of offering CONDEMNATION .
Cause i must be very , very honest about something . WHEN we read the bible
I see a way different version of love , correction , truth and unity , THAN what i see a lot of folks trying to pass off today .
SO let us all repeat this phrase . IT AINT CONDEMNATION to warn against sin IN THE CHURCH .
IT aint condmenation to even cast out folks in sin who wont repent of said sin .
IT aint condemnation , ITS NECESSARY and its needful . WHEN LOVE that comes
shuts down correction , gravity , sincerity , I gotta say IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , HIS CHRIST
, the SPIRIT , or the apostel i read about in the early church . Me thinks this generation is IN LOVE
with A LOVE that COMETH NOT OF GOD , BUT OF THE WORLD . No one , not you or the poster is being accused .
ITS JUST A REAL SERIOUS and REAL FRIENDLY REMINDER , that is HIGH TIME WE GET our OURSELVES IN THAT BIBLE
and learn THAT doctrine , that approach , very and i do mean VERY WEL
The Lord disciplines those He loves. Hebrews 12.
 

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The Lord disciplines those He loves. Hebrews 12.
YES HE DOES . And yet the LORD must have been at work through the church
cause i sure seemed to notice a lot of correction and rebuking going on towards unrepentant sinners .
Thus in conclusion of it all . I must say , ITS NOT a sin for a man to correct the evil and ungodly sins
going on within the church . As i am sure you would agree . Nor is it a sin
for a man to warn out against that which is false , NOR FALSE TEACHERS . NAME THEM CHARLATONS
And one the biggest of them all is POPE francis and the many who do his work even in the protestant realm .
 

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God’s “discipline” (“chastisement” in the NKJV) and “rebuke” come to “everyone.” His correction is, in fact, a sign of His love for His children, and we are to “not lose heart” when we experience it.

Human fathers have a responsibility to train their children (see Ephesians 6:4), and part of that training is to administer discipline. Just as human fathers wisely discipline their children, so does God: “Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all” (Hebrews 12:7–8). As we undergo God’s discipline, we can rejoice in at least one fact: God is treating us as true children of His (see Deuteronomy 8:5)!

Discipline is not the same as condemnation. God disciplines His children, but He does not condemn them. Romans 8:1 makes this clear: “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (cf. Romans 8:33–34). Discipline has to do with training and growth; condemnation has to do with punishment and guilt.

When does God discipline us? Discipline is training, and that training involves both positive and negative aspects. Part of discipline is simply guiding someone to follow certain rules or to observe certain behaviors. Another part of discipline involves reproof to correct disobedience. Both aspects of discipline can be tough. The trials Job endured were not a punishment for sin (see Job 1:8), but they were training in righteousness (see Job 42:3, 6), and Job emerged from his trial a better man.

God’s discipline begins when we are born again into His family. We immediately begin to learn and understand the Word of God and adjust our lives accordingly. This is a blessing in our lives:
“Blessed is the one you discipline, Lord,
the one you teach from your law;
you grant them relief from days of trouble” (Psalm 94:12–13).
This type of discipline is more preventative than corrective. Troubled days are coming, and the Lord would spare us.

God’s discipline also comes when we sin. In such cases, the chastisement is meant to be corrective. David, in one of his penitential psalms, expresses his desire that God moderate the severity of the punishment:
“Lord, do not rebuke me in your anger
or discipline me in your wrath.
Your arrows have pierced me, and your hand has come down on me.
Because of your wrath there is no health in my body;
there is no soundness in my bones because of my sin.
My guilt has overwhelmed me
like a burden too heavy to bear” (Psalm 38:1–4).

In this psalm, David admits his guilt and thus acknowledges that God’s punishment is just; at the same time, the sharp and crushing nature of the discipline seems more than he can bear, and he asks for help.

Charles Spurgeon’s note on Psalm 38 includes a paraphrase of David’s appeal: “Rebuked I must be, for I am an erring child and thou a careful Father, but throw not too much anger into the tones of thy voice; deal gently although I have sinned grievously. The anger of others I can bear, but not thine. . . . Chasten me if thou wilt, it is a Father’s prerogative, and to endure it obediently is a child's duty; but, O turn not the rod into a sword, smite not so as to kill. True, my sins might well inflame thee, but let thy mercy and long-suffering quench the glowing coals of thy wrath. O let me not be treated as an enemy or dealt with as a rebel. Bring to remembrance thy covenant, thy fatherhood, and my feebleness, and spare thy servant” (Treasury of David, Volume II, Funk & Wagnalls, 1885, p. 220).

How does God discipline us? God can and does use various methods of discipline. He may use trouble at work, hardship at home, or travail in the ministry; Paul had many difficulties in life (2 Corinthians 11:23–29). God may allow us to experience loss, as David did (2 Samuel 12:13–18). God may send physical ailments or even death, as the church of Corinth learned (1 Corinthians 11:17–22, 30–32). Often, God will simply allow the natural consequences of our sin to run their course. We are forgiven, but we are corrected “so that we will not be finally condemned with the world” (1 Corinthians 11:32).

Why does God discipline us? He is a good Father who wants what’s best for His children. Humanly speaking, no child will reach his or her full potential without training and discipline. The virtuoso violinist would never have reached the concert hall without discipline. The record-setting athlete would never have excelled in any sport without discipline. Following that principle, here are some reasons that we experience God’s discipline:
• God disciplines His children because He loves them.
• God disciplines His children to make them more mature.
• God disciplines His children to increase their capacity for virtue.
• God disciplines His children to keep them on the right path.
• God disciplines His children to grow their faith.
• God disciplines His children to purify them from sin.

The result of God’s discipline is holiness and maturity: “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything” (James 1:2–4). The Lord continues to work with us, as a potter does the clay, and His discipline is for our good and His glory.got?

hope this helps !!!
 

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When you are saying God above could not come down as a man do you mean the Father ?

If so I agree.
Lets give an example of something .
IS it a sin , judgmental , evil , non loving , TO say this in the church .
CHURCH you must not lie .
or Church you must not murder .
SO THEN WHY IT IS SUCH A SIN and HATEFUL TO SAY , CHURCH ye MUST NOT PRATICE HOMOSEXUALITY .
Think about that for a second .
WHY is it seen as so evil and so wrong to say such a thing .
DIDNT PAUL write to the church and tell them WHO would not INHERIT the KINGDOM .
AND that SIN was ON THE LIST .
But today if you say it , at the very least its JUDGE NOT , SHUSH , LETS NOT OFFEND
or its , YOU HATER , ITS LOVE . EITHER WAY this gen is in dire trouble .
Folks dont realize something . WHEN YOU allow leaven in and wont correct leaven , PREPARE
for one thing . DESTRUCTION OF THE CHURCH that does such a thing .
Cause the leaven will rise up and soon enough it will be ACCEPTED and more and more they will love the error
and hate the TRUTH . AND this i see all the time .
 

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Lets give an example of something .
IS it a sin , judgmental , evil , non loving , TO say this in the church .
CHURCH you must not lie .
or Church you must not murder .
SO THEN WHY IT IS SUCH A SIN and HATEFUL TO SAY , CHURCH ye MUST NOT PRATICE HOMOSEXUALITY .
Think about that for a second .
WHY is it seen as so evil and so wrong to say such a thing .
DIDNT PAUL write to the church and tell them WHO would not INHERIT the KINGDOM .
AND that SIN was ON THE LIST .
But today if you say it , at the very least its JUDGE NOT , SHUSH , LETS NOT OFFEND
or its , YOU HATER , ITS LOVE . EITHER WAY this gen is in dire trouble .
Folks dont realize something . WHEN YOU allow leaven in and wont correct leaven , PREPARE
for one thing . DESTRUCTION OF THE CHURCH that does such a thing .
Cause the leaven will rise up and soon enough it will be ACCEPTED and more and more they will love the error
and hate the TRUTH . AND this i see all the time .
brother @amigo de christo keep on rebuking-here and there, here a little-there a little-will you perhaps find sound doctrines, but the style of life of individuals are diametrically foreign to a holy lifestyle, an Imperative.

1Ti_5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
Them that sin (τοὺς ἁμαρτάνοντας)
Referring to Elders, who, by reason of their public position (προεστῶτες), should receive public rebuke.
Rebuke (ἔλεγχε)
Comp. 2Ti_4:2; Tit_1:9, Tit_1:13; Tit_2:15. See on reproved, Joh_3:20.
Others (οἱ λοιποὶ)
More correctly, the rest. His fellow Elders.
May fear (φόβον ἔχωσιν)
May have fear, which is stronger than A.V.
MV.
5:20 "those who continue in sin" Notice the present active participle. In context this refers to leaders who continue to sin (cf. 1 Cor. 3:10-15). This is not necessarily a one-time act. Paul addresses the proper procedures for dealing with sinning believers in Rom. 16:17-18; 1 Cor. 5; Gal. 6:1-5; 1 Thess. 5:14; 2 Thess. 3:6-15; 1 Tim. 1:20; 5:19-20; and Titus 3:10-11.

"rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning" This seems to speak of public (i.e., before the other elders or before the entire church) disciplinary actions (cf. Gal. 2:14; James 5:16) which some elders took against others who had

1. overstepped their authority

2. promoted false teaching

3. engaged in other inappropriate actions

"Rebuke" is a common term in the Pastoral Letters (cf. 2 Tim. 4:2; Titus 1:9,13; 2:15).

The "rest" may refer to

1. the other house churches

2. the other local elders

3. other believers

2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Preach the word (kēruxon ton logon). First aorist active imperative of kērussō.

For “the word” used absolutely, see note on 1Th_1:6; Gal_6:6.

Be instant in season, out of season (epistēthi eukairōs akairōs). Second aorist (ingressive) active imperative of ephistēmi (intransitive use), “take a stand,” “stand upon it or up to it,” “carry on,” “stick to it.”

The Vulgate has “insta.” The two adverbs are like a proverb or a play (pun) on the word kairos. There are all sorts of seasons (kairoi), some difficult (chalepoi, 2Ti_3:1), some easy (eukairēi, 1Co_16:12).
Reprove (elegxon). First aorist active imperative of elegchō. “Bring to proof.” Eph_5:11.

Rebuke (epitimēson). First aorist active imperative of epitimaō, to give honour (or blame) to, to chide. Common in the Gospels (Luk_17:3).

Exhort (parakaleson). First aorist active imperative of parakaleō, common Pauline word.



Tit_1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Tit_2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

(Titus 1:13) audiotrack This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

(NET) audiotrack Such testimony is true. For this reason rebuke them sharply that they may be healthy in the faith

(Titus 2:2) audiotrack That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.


(NET) audiotrack Older men are to be temperate, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in endurance.

(2Cor 13:10) audiotrack Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.

(NET) audiotrack Because of this I am writing these things while absent, so that when I arrive I may not have to deal harshly with you by using my authority – the Lord gave it to me for building up, not for tearing down!

(Titus 2:15) audiotrack These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

(NET) audiotrack
So communicate these things with the sort of exhortation or rebuke that carries full authority. Don’t let anyone look down on you.

(1Tim 5:20) audiotrack Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

(NET) audiotrack
Those guilty of sin must be rebuked before all, as a warning to the rest.

(2Tim 4:2) audiotrack Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

(NET) audiotrack
Preach the message, be ready whether it is convenient or not, reprove, rebuke, exhort with complete patience and instruction.

(1Tim 4:6) audiotrack If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

(NET) audiotrack By pointing out such things to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, having nourished yourself on the words of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

(2Cor 7:8-12) 8 audiotrack For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though [it were] but for a season. 9 audiotrack Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10 audiotrack For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 11 audiotrack For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, [what] clearing of yourselves, yea, [what] indignation, yea, [what] fear, yea, [what] vehement desire, yea, [what] zeal, yea, [what] revenge! In all [things] ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. 12 audiotrack Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, did [it] not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you.

(NET) 8 audiotrack For even if I made you sad by my letter, I do not regret having written it (even though I did regret it, for I see that my letter made you sad, though only for a short time). 9 audiotrack Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us. 10 audiotrack For sadness as intended by God produces a repentance that leads to salvation, leaving no regret, but worldly sadness brings about death. 11 audiotrack For see what this very thing, this sadness as God intended, has produced in you: what eagerness, what defense of yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what deep concern, what punishment! In everything you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter. 12 audiotrack So then, even though I wrote to you, it was not on account of the one who did wrong, or on account of the one who was wronged, but to reveal to you your eagerness on our behalf before God.
(Prov 27:5) audiotrack
Open rebuke [is] better than secret love.

(NET) audiotrack Better is open rebuke than hidden love.

(Ps 141:5) audiotrack Let the righteous smite me; [it shall be] a kindness: and let him reprove me; [it shall be] an excellent oil, [which] shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also [shall be] in their calamities.

(NET) audiotrack May the godly strike me in love and correct me! May my head not refuse choice oil! Indeed, my prayer is a witness against their evil deeds.
(Ps 119:80) audiotrack Let my heart be sound in thy statutes; that I be not ashamed.

pardon the "audiotrack"
Johann
 
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I cannot agree with you-the word we preach is contained IN the Scriptures-and the Bible is not just a "book"- it is a holy D'var-what are you trying to say? Divorcing the Scriptures from the Christ? How can the sheep hear the voice of the shepherd when there is biblical illiteracy? Are you advocating hearing voices outside Scriptures?
Shalom
Johann.

It seems that if you even think the Scriptures are not just a book , but are the word of God we preach, then you should at least agree with the Scriptures!! But you don't!!

Let me prove that to you using the Scriptures!!

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
(The Scriptures are writings and so were not around in the beginning with God and they certain not God because they are also not a person to be thought of as "He")

Jn 5:39,40You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
(So we find a problem in the Bible that Jesus discussed with the Jew. They were thinking knowing the Scriptures would give them eternal life but they did not actually turn to Jesus Christ so they could have life)

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
(And those same Jews read the writing of Moses - the first five books in the Bible - but they didn't actually believe what they read, and is that not what your are doing?)

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

The problem those Jews had is that they didn't understand the it was the Holy Spirit who would give them the words of God, and not the Bible!! That doesn't mean we should read the Bible, after all it is good for reproof - which is what I am using it for right now)

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

(Now Jesus, as also seen in John 1, is the Word of God because He talks to us! Hia sheep hears His voice - See John 10, not read His voice but hear His voice!)

Rom 10: 6-8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

(Since the word of God we preach is found in our hearts and mouth, because the word we preach comes to our spirit from the Holy Spirit, you can still find the Word of God we preach in you even though the Bible is not with you)

Is 28: 12,13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,”
And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
So the word of the LORD to them will be,
“[fn]Order on order, order on order,
Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

(Now above is the real problem that your writing shows. If you will not listen to the Lord, then the word of God to you, according to what Isaiah wrote, will be the orderly lines upon lines of text that you read a little hear and there! So whenever you find a person preaching the Bible as the word of God it shows that they don't listen! Isaiah wrote that! And Isaiah got that information from listening to the Lord himself, which is why He wrote it. And that failure to listen to the Lord winds up not only calling the lines of text in the Bible the word but also winds up causing you to go and stumble backwards, be broken, snared and taken captive. What happen with those Jews who were searching the Scriptures instead of turning to Jesus Christ?)


People - we need to know the Lord our God Jesus Christ!!! God is spirit so we hear the Holy Spirit who brings us the words of God for us personally!! Those words belong to Jesus Christ!! So the Holy Spirit gets them from Jesus Christ, much like a phone will get the words of someone you know and bring them to you! The Holy Spirit does not speak on His own but He brings you personally the words God has for you. So we hear Him with our spiritual ears, and we should hear Him in words - that small voice that Christian should all know about - and that is the word of God we are preaching!!

Jn 16: 13-15 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

This is what is explained in the Bible - that the Spirit takes the words of God from Jesus Christ who was given to Him by the Father!

And the goods news is that Jesus is just standing there talking to you with His voice, so all you have to do is open up to Him and ask Him to come inside so you two can talk back and forth!!!

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."

Now I have used Scripture after Scripture after Scripture proving or reproving those who are still thinking knowing the Bible is going to save them, as if the Bible is a person instead of the Sacred Writings!

The truth the Holy Spirit guides you into is that Jesus Christ wants to talk to you personally!! And the Holy Spirit explains this and hooks you up personally with our Lord Jesus Christ and His words!! That is what the Bible explains. That is what everyone who wrote Scriptures were doing by writing Scriptures!! They all heard Him, so they wanted you to hear Him also!! As do I!! Jesus Christ is worth knowing personally!!!
 

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hmmm....

Matthew 5:8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

What does this mean? When I look at it I see the frustrations of the poster that made the OP. People that aren't loving offering condemnation in their words towards sinners. And people that don't fit into their idea of what is right.

If I really know the Lord - then I know God - and if I know God it becomes obvious that the best and most loving thing I can do for them is to tell them about Him!! Now if they don't know Him because they don't seek Him, and that because they don't believe He is really there to get to know - then they are going to needed to be reproved and nobody likes being reproved!! Most people thing that if you reprove them you are being mean to them and are not loving! Still the reproof is the loving thing, especially since it mean eternal life and death and the love of God!

So you ask what the verse means - it mean Jesus was reproving the people He was talking to!!! And we know they didn't like it, even thought it was a life and death matter to them!! So they hung Him on a tree, because they didn't want to hear the reproof!!

He was offering them "loving condemnation" but they didn't understand and didn't want to!! So they killed Him!! If you want to get killed on a site like this, then keep telling people about Jesus Christ and that they need to listen to Him. Still they are going to worship Him, but still also will teach as doctrines the commandments of men - that as opposed to telling others that they can actually talk to Jesus Christ!!

That is because the people draw near Him with their mouth, and honor Him with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him!! If there heart was for Him, they would be telling other to seek Him because that is what they do!!
 

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Do you hear the voice of God? What do you think of people who say they hear the voice of God? Do we need to hear the voice of God?​

OP^

No, I do not hear an audible voice with my ears….YET.
I do get answers to questions I ask Him. Not in a voice, but rather more like the answer comes as a thought response.

I do expect to hear an audible thunderous voice saying “come up hither to the Clouds”.

Glory to God,
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"We study the Scriptures but we "Embrace" Jesus Christ!!!'
"You would think that someone proclaiming/preaching the Bible would know something about what is written in it!!"
"The Word of God we preach is not the Bible!! The Word of God we preach is found in our hearts and sometimes our mouth, because it is near us!! Paul went over this with his writings!!" Karl Peters #53

"...You are trying to say these truths and make it seem as though if one embraces the TRUTH of the BIBLE somehow
they are not trusting IN THE SPIRIT , IN GOD or IN HIS CHRIST ." amigo de christo #54

"Yeah - people remove the diety of Christ because they don't actually listen to Him!!!"
"Now knowing the Bible is not the same thing as knowing the Son of God - simply because the Bible is a book - writings - and not the Person of Jesus Christ!!!"
"Now the first words He told me personally were "Read Your Bible", but that proved that He was not the Bible!!" Karl Peters #55

''Is it the Bible who drew you to Jesus Christ, if indeed you are drawn to Him???"
"Did you not read that Jesus Christ is the "Truth", but you are again making the Bible Jesus Christ the Lord our God!!"
"Just look at what you wrote, you should be able to see you replace Jesus Christ with the Bible!!" Karl Peters #58
"Do you, who claim to know the Bible, want to know the problem in this country today??"

"I will show you with the Bible!" Karl Peters #60

This is beyond ................
God's word reveals the nature & character of the creator. His word is Jesus. No true follower of God, the Son of God, nor the Holy Spirit worships the book; the Bible !

Yet you want to claim use of it to prove YOUR POINT to a believer?

Keep strong my brother @amigo de christo ,the enemy is always mascerating the word & trying to separate followers of God from it !
 
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"I do expect to hear an audible thunderous voice saying “come up hither to the Clouds”.Taken #97

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SO let us all repeat this phrase . IT AINT CONDEMNATION to warn against sin IN THE CHURCH .
IT aint condmenation to even cast out folks in sin who wont repent of said sin .
IT aint condemnation , ITS NECESSARY and its needful . WHEN LOVE that comes
shuts down correction , gravity , sincerity , I gotta say IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , HIS CHRIST
, the SPIRIT , or the apostel i read about in the early church . Me thinks this generation is IN LOVE
with A LOVE that COMETH NOT OF GOD , BUT OF THE WORLD . No one , not you or the poster is being accused
Hello Amigo,..as you feel so very STRONGLY, about the SIN in the church, you say it ain’t condemnation to even cast out folks in sin who won’t repent of said sin,etc,etc,

My question to you, do you put and preach what you preach all over this forum, out there into the world/ would/ do you stand on a podium and preach this to the world?

I know someone who has committed adultery, I also know two gays and two lesbians,.....do you think I should preach to them, that they are perverted and living in sin?

Or do you believe I should leave them to the Lord to deal with.....I’ve been called to hate the sin ,but, not the sinner?

What would you do @amigo de christo ,...if you were in my shoes?

What would the Holy Spirit prompt you to do or say?

It’s just that you have so much to say on this subject......I can only think or even believe that you must be out there preaching it to the worldly people in PERSON?

If so, where do you stand and preach this, which part of the country?....many thanks.

Even if you get moved on or even arrested for preaching per say.....you can still get that word out there, by moving from one place to another....just like buskers and homeless people do, when they beg for money..?.
 
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