Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[Johann]

Actually she's just showing you that you dont know what you are talking about, and all you can do is cut and paste some man's response.
And if you can't get away with that junk, every time you post.... you'll just refuse to answer, and accuse someone falsely, or insult them.

May I suggest that you are the one not knowing what you are talking about?
I don't need @marks to come and "defend me" brother-I have already detected loopholes in your "theology" twisting scriptures, making Paul say what he did not?

Maybe you are blissfully ignorant of this fact, or you are willfully putting "a spin" on the epistles.

But I'm done parrying with you behold.
Enjoy your day.
Johann.

 

[Behold]

May I suggest that you are the one not knowing what you are talking about?

May i suggest that you stop lying about the members here?

 

[Johann]

But if a carnal fool tries to associate me with Episkopos because they dont have very good sense or any self control, then they will know how i feel about their deed.

So we have come to this? I am a carnal fool?
Are you getting old, or are you just "cranky?"
Johann.

 

[Behold]

So we have come to this? I am a carnal fool?

You are defined by your posts.

You initially implied that im "like Episkopos".

And now you've accused me falsely of saying that Ronald is not Christian.

So, that is your ignorant "guilt by association" combined with a blatant LIE.

That's you today.
That's your "keeping 1000"
That's your "walk of Faith" and your "Christianity", on display.
That's what you've done so far, today, that ive seen.

See yourself yet?

Take a good look, Johann.

 

[Johann]

May i suggest that you stop lying about the members here?

You can't understand this.. and are not going to, as its not agreeing with your deception, or your Cult's theology. #883

-your words to Ronald-and now I'm starting to lose my respect for you.
Get that?
Johann.

 

[Behold]

Maybe you are blissfully ignorant of this fact, or you are willfully putting "a spin" on the epistles.

You can't quote a teaching of mine that would prove that..

And that is why you imply it, but dont quote me.

You're just one more of that type that lives on this Forum.

Pathetic.

 

[Johann]

You are defined by your posts.

You initially implied that im "like Episkopos".

And now you've accused me falsely of saying that Ronald is not Christian.

So, that is your ignorant "guilt by association" combined with a blatant LIE.

That's you today.
That's your "keeping 1000"
That's your "walk of Faith" and your "Christianity", on display.
That's what you've done so far, today, that ive seen.

See yourself yet?

Take a good look, Johann.

The one that needs to take a good look in the mirror is you @Behold and I am fully aware of your tactics-go to post #883 re Ronald.
Are you born from above?
Johann.

 

[Keturah]

You can't understand this.. and are not going to, as its not agreeing with your deception, or your Cult's theology. #883

-your words to Ronald-and now I'm starting to lose my respect for you.
Get that?
Johann.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T..........got none for that one.

Out of sync with the  WHOLE of the WORD OF GOD!

 

[Behold]

You can't understand this.. and are not going to, as its not agreeing with your deception, or your Cult's theology. #883

-your words to Ronald-and now I'm starting to lose my respect for you.
Get that?
Johann.

Let your freewill decide your behavior.
Think on that.

And here is my Post.

I never said that He's not a Chrsitian.
I said that because he is sinning and confessing, he does not understand the Cross of Christ.

Paul defines his type of believer as 'FALLEN from GRACE"............but that does not make them an unbeliever.
Johann.....You dont know that, because you follow your men, and are not a student of Paul..

Here is the Post.. and you can see that im trying to show Him , for the 50th time that Jesus has His SIN.
He thinks he still has to confess them....

""""" (Ronald) You have not learned that Jesus died for your sin.
This is why you found a verse that isn't given to the Born again, that you can't understand, so that you can keep confessing what Christ has already paid for, 2000 yrs ago with His Blood and Death.
The sin of the BELIEVER is dealt with by Christ.
Thats the CROSS OF CHRIST.
You can't understand this.. and are not going to, as its not agreeing with your deception, or your Cult's theology."""""""

 

[Behold]

Out of sync with the  WHOLE of the WORD OF GOD!

You cant even explain what you are talking about.

Thats a fact.

 

[Keturah]

These hide from & behind others avoiding the FIRE of the word of God!

 

[Johann]

Why would the respect of a person such as you've proven yourself to be today, be of any consequence to me?
I dont care about what you think, Johann.

And here is my Post.

I never said that He's not a Chrsitian.
I said that because he is sinning and confessing, he does not understand the Cross of Christ.

Paul defines his type of believer as 'FALLEN from GRACE"............but that does not make them an unbeliever.
Johann.....You dont know that, because you follow your men, and are not a student of Paul..

Here is the Post.. and you can see that im trying to show Him , for the 50th time that Jesus has His SIN.
He thinks he still has to confess them....

""""" (Ronald) You have not learned that Jesus died for your sin.
This is why you found a verse that isn't given to the Born again, that you can't understand, so that you can keep confessing what Christ has already paid for, 2000 yrs ago with His Blood and Death.
The sin of the BELIEVER is dealt with by Christ.
Thats the CROSS OF CHRIST.
You can't understand this.. and are not going to, as its not agreeing with your deception, or your Cult's theology."""""""

So you advocate sinless perfection, correct?

The two most important words in Galatians 5:4 are καταργέω (severed) and ἐκπίπτω (fallen). The word καταργέω does not require the “harsh” implications that come with “sever” in the English language, though it should not be taken lightly. In light of Paul’s words in Galatians 5:2 and how Paul uses the term in verses such as Romans 3:3, 4:14, and 1 Corinthians 1:28, a good way of understanding the term καταργέω is “nullify” or “done away with.” While the word ἐκπίπτω can undoubtedly mean to fall away from a previously held position, as those who deny the eternal security of true believers assert, in the context of this verse and how it is used in passages such as Acts 27, a good understanding of the phrase in Galatians 5:4 is that of “estranged” or “separated from.”

Paul warns against setting aside the grace that comes from Christ. Those who do have nullified, or run away from, the grace that comes through His blood and attempted instead to justify themselves by the works of the Law. The purpose of Paul’s letter to the Galatians was to warn against the Judaizers because they attempted to lure born-again Christians back to justification through the Law, which is impossible (Galatians 2:16). He reminds them of the freedom they have in Christ: “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).

Last time I've checked is that if a person is severed from grace he/she is no longer a Christian.
Enjoy your day
Johann.

 

[Behold]

So you advocate sinless perfection, correct?

Not once in any post or Thread.
never.
See, i only teach "Pauline Theology".

A.) "sinless perfection" is a cult teaching, that was created by an unbeliever.
Heretics use it to try to deny the Blood Atonement.

Listen up,, Johann

Stop being Ronald Nolette and Net Chaplin's hand-puppet.
Have some self respect.
Use your brain and common sense instead.
You can do it.

 

[Behold]

Paul warns against setting aside the grace that comes from Christ.

Why have you not comprehended that 99% of the members here do not speak or read Hebrew or Koine Greek, ..so when you post those foreign words, """καταργέω"""" ....as tho they understand them, you are only proving what you dont yet realize.

C'mon.

You need to get out of STRONGS" and get into PAUL's Doctrine.
(Start with an actual Bible)/

Start here..

Romans 3:21-28

Hebrews 13:9

2 Corinthians 5:19

Also, when you try to put your "1000 do this" on the back of a Believer, you are "setting aside the Grace of God, AGAIN.... Johann.

Remember that before you do that 25 more times.

 

[Behold]

Last time I've checked is that if a person is severed from grace he/she is no longer a Christian.

Being born again into the Spirit of God, is eternal.

Check on that.

This is why Jesus said..........>"you will never perish". "and i will never leave you or forsake you".

Being born again, will last for as long as God lives., as He caused that eternal birth in the SPIRIT.

You can't stop being "born again"..

 

[Ritajanice]

Being born again into the Spirit of God, is eternal.

Amen!!....I knew that 100% when I was birthed in the Spirit....oops I’ve mentioned that word again!...LOL,haha....

We can NEVER lose our salvation.....Hallelujah and Praise God!...

Knowing one is born again is paramount.....as Jesus taught.

 

[Keturah]

I do as well as I can @ explaining what is revealed to me of God's word.
@ least I step out & declare what the word says, not catering & glorifying another's exposition continually w/o any substance of my own!
If not I'm not above being corrected by my family in God!

 A one trick pony doesn't do well in any " christian" light as a steady believer. Instead they either run to, or are cast out of many arenas.

 

[Behold]

Let me buzz in here with something that is actually has to do with the Thread's topic.

Pardon me for interrupting all the rest of the nonsense that is being applied to my Thread(s) as usual.

The reason the born again are eternally sanctified, without works, without water,... and without end, is because the Born again are spiritually joined for eternity to the Holy One (themselves)

"In Christ
"One with God".

So, this is eternal Spiritual Union (born again) with God and Christ who themselves are Holiness, Righteousness, and Eternal life.

This is how the born again are become "Sanctified" "Justified", and have Eternal life, and are "made Righteous".

How long does this last?

A.) It lasts for as long as Christ and God live.....is how long the Born again are "SANCTIFIED, JUSTIFIED, have Eternal Life, and are made Righteous"

 

[Ritajanice]

May I suggest that you are the one not knowing what you are talking about?
I don't need @marks to come and "defend me" brother-I have already detected loopholes in your "theology" twisting scriptures, making Paul say what he did not?

Yet, I have seen you ask for Behold teaching or maybe that should read understanding, quite a few times on different threads....then you go to Marks, then another, if I may say, it’s like you’re all over the place.....

You even told me to stay out of a conversation you were having with Behold...because your eternal salvation was at stake, I can post the posts if you like.....?

How can anyone’s eternal salvation be at stake if they are Born Again?

Not causing an argument just saying what I have read Brother.

 

[Behold]

Yet, I have seen you ask for Behold teaching or maybe that should read understanding, quite a few times on different threads....then you go to Marks, then another, if I may say, it’s like you’re all over the place.....

You even told me to stay out of a conversation you were having with Behold...because your eternal salvation was at stake, I can post the posts if you like.....?

How can anyone’s eternal salvation be at stake if they are Born Again?

Not causing an argument just saying what I have read Brother.

Im here on the forum for a while now.
And ive noticed that Its the same OPERA over and over with Johann.
He comes to you, to me, or someone......>>"im having some issues, want to learn".
So, you patiently show them...."Johann, your issue is that horrible theology that you are believing, that some man wrote who you are following, that is causing you to be in such a struggle with your faith, theology, all of it.".

Instantly....= He'll become the self appointed authority...."well, you are just arrogant, hateful, not showing love,"... and then he posts a lot of posts that are all cut and paste directly from the person or website that has ruined his faith for years.

That is what you get,....every single time.... when you try to be helpful to this theologically harmed person.

Its a waste of time, that always gets you THORN'D .
Its the same with Ronald Nolette., and some others.

They dont want to learn, they want to ARGUE their theology, with their ears closed and their mind shut.