David in NJ
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Please go back and read posts and be Blessed.
i do believe it is not directly stated but rather implied.
Error, even slight has implications that can mislead concerning the Salvation that is in CHRIST alone.
The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
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i do believe it is not directly stated but rather implied.
Error, even slight has implications that can mislead concerning the Salvation that is in CHRIST alone.
Brakelite
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Not impressed with that translation, whatever it is.
KJV Exodus 34:6-7
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
What this describes is not the punishment for the father's sin, but the immediate results in the progeny, sometimes for generations until the cycle is broken. We see this in families all around us. The children inheriting the drug addictions of their parents. Inheriting alcoholism. Family violence goes from generation to generation until by the grace of God one is able to break the cycle. Those children are not being punished for their fathers' sins, but do suffer the inevitable consequences of the parental wickedness sometimes going back 3 or 4 generations.
Brakelite
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No, you didn't. But to many it is, and when I asked a general question, what makes the 4th commandment so distasteful, you responded with...
... Leaving me wondering why you quoted that?
In reality no... You cannot overturn a Commandment of God. But you can try, and to many peoples minds, that had been the effect..."and he thought to change times and laws".
I guess the Law preachers don't want to talk about the circumcision command.
David in NJ
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i AGREE, the Commandment that God gave in Exodus 31:12-15 is still binding.
AND
The LORD Jesus took it to the Highest Level by including the Jew & Gentile.
Peace in YESHUA HaMoshiach for there is no other name under Heaven whereby we are SAVED.
Brakelite
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No-one is claiming that obedience to God's commandments saved, or saves, or justifies anyone. I have never read that on any forum anywhere. However, disobedience... That is sin... Is the reason we need saving. Shall we sin... Disobey... That grace may abound? God forbid.
Jim B
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Not so.
Romans 7:4-6, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."
And here are the verses from Romans 3 in context, "Then what becomes of boasting? It is excluded. Through what kind of law? That of works? No, rather through the law of faith. For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of gentiles also? Yes, of gentiles also, since God is one, and he will justify the circumcised on the ground of faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith." Romans 3:27-30
Justified by faith, not by the works of the law.
BarneyFife
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I confess I have a special fondness for some here, as well, which would include you, my Brother. Many of them have gone. I hope they come back. I miss them.
And, although I can recall no comments you have made discouraging folks from obeying God, just today one of our community said that to keep the commandments of God is to deny Christ. He couldn't have been more plain about it.
I can also tell you that 50 years ago no one outside of a seminary qualified the keeping of God's commandments with the word "perfectly."
And the reason for that is that the counterculturalist, "all-or-nothing" cognitive distortion had not yet fully infiltrated evangelical Christianity. No one cared that the rule of law was imperfect at the heart level. They only knew that society and even the physical universe ran on it.
I am not interested in being "saved" so much as I am in pleasing God today, especially since He so loved His creatures that He emptied Heaven of its beloved Prince to save mankind and purchase the peace and security of the whole universe, the interest of which dwarfs my own sense of carnal survival.
Having said that, I do trust all of His promises to save me but, just as your focus is on Jesus as author and finisher of our faith, I cannot lose sight of His asking us to run the race with endurance, laying aside the weight of besetting sin in practically the same breath.
Again, keep in mind that 50 years ago no one would have objected to the observation I have just made here. If any can bear witness to the contrary, I have yet to see or hear any. And it's not like I've never brought this up before.
I'm going to be starting a thread on the significance and immediate relevance of the 10 commandments as soon as I can block off the time and energy. I'm sure the usual contestants will be on hand to rage and buffet each other, but I'll have no part of that, by God's grace.
Peace to you, דָּוִד, "Beloved of God."
BarneyFife
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Brother, you have me at an embarrassing disadvantage, I'm afraid.
I recall that we talked about only living a half-state apart but I can't remember the circumstances of the invitation I extended. I hope I didn't make a light-hearted promise I can't keep.
It'd be great to get together and visit, but I'm not set up to entertain guests overnight. I could rustle us up some chow or we could even meet somewhere, but my house is full up with grown kids who are too picky to get married off and give me a break!
But do let me know when your situation becomes more definite. You can never have too many pals!
David in NJ
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It was not for an overnight but you said that i was close by and if ever in the area we would like to meet up over a cup of coffee.Brother, you have me at an embarrassing disadvantage, I'm afraid.
I recall that we talked about only living a half-state apart but I can't remember the circumstances of the invitation I extended. I hope I didn't make a light-hearted promise I can't keep.
It'd be great to get together and visit, but I'm not set up to entertain guests overnight. I could rustle us up some chow or we could even meet somewhere, but my house is full up with grown kids who are too picky to get married off and give me a break!
But do let me know when your situation becomes more definite. You can never have too many pals!
LOOK to the QUESTION which i posted.
There you will find the ILL of your understanding.
Peace and Blessing to you
David in NJ
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why did Jesus' closest followers obey the 10 Commandments after His Crucifixion?
David in NJ
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The Ten Commandments are given to us by GOD for our Good.
Problem is, nobody except ONE was able to keep them to the pleasing of the FATHER.
This is why we need a Savior who Completes the 10 Commandments in HIMSELF.
When you look to the LORD Jesus, you are looking at the fulfillment of the Big 10 to Perfection.
A Perfection that can never be accomplished by ourselves.
Our righteousness cannot come from within us therefore Salvation comes to us by God's Grace thru faith in JESUS.
"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
Romans 3:21-26
JESUS closest followers followed JESUS and all that HE taught them = Acts, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, 1 John, James, Jude etc
Behold
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Moses Law, and the 10 commandments, were given into this depraved world so that humanity could understand how depraved is the world's depravity.
The Law and Commandments are Holy. tho not as Holy as God or Christ.
They are Holy rules, and that is not the same as God's literal righteousness that is the "righteousness of God in Christ' that is the "gift of righteousness" that is given to everyone who comes to the Cross and gives God their Faith in Christ.
The Law of Moses, and 10 Commandments demand righteousness, but can't provide any.
They are a mirror that reflect our unrighteousness so that we can see ourselves as "all have sinned' and then go to the Cross to find God's Grace that is : SALVATION through Christ's Blood Atonement.
Behold
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The Law and 10 Commandments ENDS right here.
"Christ is the END of the Law for RIGHTEOUSNESS.... to Everyone who Believes"
"Christ has REDEEMED the born again from the CURSE... of... THE LAW"...
So, one day, its possible you will understand some of this, 1stCenturyLady.
Anything is possible.
Behold
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Behold
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If you've never read or heard that you must keep commandments and do righteousness to be or STAY saved, then you are very new to both Christianity and to Forums.
and He taught them to obey the 10 Commandments ... and that's exactly what they did - even after His death.
this flies in the face of what you, and so many others here, are teaching.
interestingly, none of the books you listed there were any of the gospels in which Jesus was directly quoted.
yet, they all, in one way or another, teach the 10 Commandments.
wrong again.
He taught them God's 10 Commandments all throughout the gospels.
He obeyed those very Commandments Himself as they WERE His Commandments per John 1:3.
and THOSE are the Commandments His closest disciples kept - even after His death.
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