Pre-Trib Rapture Danger To Your Soul

[rebuilder 454]

so watching for. Jesus would be wrong in your book.
In fact , all postribbers are "correctly" watching for the AC

I'm watching the word go bad. Jesus can't return until all the things he mentioned in Mathew 24:3-33 pass.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, per Matt 25, half the folks without the full Acts 2:38 experience in Christendom are left behind.

They were all baptized in Jesus name to become virgins, but only half had oil(Holy Ghost).

Half with the Holy Ghost are taken and half left to face the antichrist.

Sinners are not “virgins”.

Correct
The five foolish virgins r believers

 

[The Light]

Of all the people on this forum - you are one of the most confusing. I can't figure you out at all. That's why I stay away from responding.

The reason I am so confusing is because you are used to dealing with pretribbers only. You post a few verses to them that there prove a post trib rapture and think all is well in your world and that you are safe and pretrib is wrong.

When you deal with me, it's confusing because I believe pre trib and post trib and can prove both.

It never occurs to you that Jesus comes for His Church pretrib before the seals are opened and then turns His attention to the people of Daniel just like the word says. You blend everything together and have no understanding.

You think that the days of Noah and the days of Lot are the same without realizing that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood as the Church will be in heaven 7 years before the end of wrath, but the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came just as it is so with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. These are examples of two different comings.

You don't realize that the fig tree has two harvests. You don't realize that there is a grain harvest and fruit harvest. You don't understand that the Feasts of God that He told Israel to keep are a picture of end time events.

As I said. You blend everything together without understanding. Can you not see that there is a difference between the Lord Himself coming in 1 Thes 4 and the Lord sending His angels in 1 Corinthians 15. Can you not see the difference between the dead in Christ rising first in the barley harvest and the alive that remain in the wheat harvest verses the dead and alive changing in the twinkling of an eye. How do you not see these differences.

You are on the wrong road. You need to repent or turn from this false teaching, TODAY. There is no more time. You need to watch for the Lord today as we are instructed. When I say today, I mean today as the time is very, very, very short. If you were watching you would know this.

 

[The Light]

I'm watching the word go bad. Jesus can't return until all the things he mentioned in Mathew 24:3-33 pass.

So, Jesus cannot come in an hour that your think not? How do you not understand that He is talking about those that are not watching for Him because of statement like this............ "Jesus can't return until all the things he mentioned in Mathew 24:3-33 pass."?

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, what I quoted... proved... the following, which I have said all along on this Forum...

1. when Jesus comes, He brings the RESURRECTED saints with Him that Apostle Paul said were "asleep", their already having died in Christ. That ain't... about a rapture to Heaven. It is about the resurrection on the last day of this world, as written.

2. then on that same day... with the saints still alive on earth, Jesus gathers them to Himself along with those 'asleep' saints, and that is the so-called idea called a 'rapture', even though that word rapture is nowhere written in God's Word. As I have proclaimed, the word written in God's Word for being gathered from the earth is Greek harpazo, and translated to "caught up" in the KJV Bible.

3. because Jesus Himself SENDS His angels WHILE He is COMING TO EARTH on that day, no matter whether one says Jesus gathers His Church.

4. per the Zechariah 14 Scripture, which the false Pre-trib Rapture theory school loves to leave out, Lord Jesus on the day He gathers His Church, WITH ALL HIS SAINTS comes to earth, not back up in Heaven.

The Zechariah 14 Scripture is emphatic that Jesus' feet will touch down upon the MOUNT OF OLIVES WHERE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN FROM, and a great valley will be formed there, ON EARTH. And as written there, He brings ALL His faithful saints there with Him!

So instead of you making up more fibs to go along with the Pre-trib Rapture theory LIE from men's doctrines, you might start reading God's written Word for yourself instead.

You ignore the three comings of scripture.
Use that false starting place.
Then procede to connect the dots.

Just plain ludicrous

 

[The Light]

Those on the false Pre-trib Rapture theory from men have... to use language like "real soon".

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 22
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

It's because they don't heed Christ's command to watch. They don't know what... to watch.

Oh boy, you are foolishly watching for the Antichrist and then tell others they don't know what to watch for.

Luke 21
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

We can escape all these things that will come to pass. All what things? The false Christs of the Beast of the Earth and the Beast of the Sea. Wars and rumors of wars. I've seen that. Famines. I've seen shortages as never seen before in this country. Pestilences. Covid. World wide weaponized disease. We have seen a very small taste of what is to come. It gets real very soon.

It's because they don't know anything about the events that Jesus gave His faithful Church to be 'watching' leading up to His future return.

It's the blind leading the blind. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you even aware that there is an asteroid that looks to be the 3rd trumpet of wrath coming in 2029? What's that do for your Calendar?

Do you understand the fig tree generation will not pass away until all the things written in the Olivet Discourse come to pass. Do you understand what year that is?

Do you understand that there is going to be a 7 year covenant with many confirmed or strengthened this Feast of Trumpets that needs to be noted as it falls in line with the prophetic timeline?


You are so unaware that the Lord is at the door. He says WATCH. We are to be watching for Him, not the Antichrist.

What the pre-tribbers get instead are phrases dreamed up from men like, "be ready",

Dreamed up by men?

Matthew 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

For the true disciple of Jesus Christ that keeps HIS Word, we well know the pre-trib rapture doctors simply make up phrases designed to scoot around... the actual SIGNS of the end which Lord Jesus gave us to be WATCHING, leading up to His return to gather us.

You speak against the truth of God's plan as you have no understanding and quite frankly reject the very words of our Lord and the command that He has given us.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Brother you should heed the words of our Lord. Have you ever fasted and prayed for 3 days for the truth? NOW would be the time to do that. There is no more time. I wish you well brother.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I know about the perverted pre-trib view of Mathew 24. It really is an abomination. "How do you not understand" that the passage is NOT directed toward those who are 'not watching'. The passage is Jesus' answer to the three-part question the disciples asked. He said WATCH in verse 42!

Pre-tribbers just can't seem to get anything right.

Rev 14
Mat 24
Rev 19

More than one coming.
Game
Set
Match.

 

[Nancy]

You are thinking of the FM song..."Rhianna' , that is about an actual Witch.

That reminds me of "The Eagles"....their album "Hotel California', This Title is referring to Anton Le Vey's "Black House" that was in California, and is a noted "Church of Satan".

So sure, lots of that stuff in Pop and Rock music for the last 60 yrs +
Lots of Paganism also.... but that is more often found in Euro Countries like the Netherlands and Amsterdam and Denmark, where Paganism that is related to "Pan" worship, is very popular.

Yes! I read an article about that and they showed where Anton Le Vey's photo was included in the album cover/sleeve. The photo is in the upper right section of the album.

 

[Nancy]

Does anybody EVER think that we (Christians) should be "ready" for pre, mid OR post? We should be just as ready for a post as well as a pre or mid rapture. Why must some just beat this doctrine to death. So, if any pretribbers on here were convinced suddenly that it is a mid or post, would they be anymore or less "ready"??

Shouldn't Christians be in a constant state of readiness for The Lord to appear, NO MATTER when it all takes place? SMH-so simple really, and teaching this kind of thing can be very detrimental to new babes in Christ.

Sorry, had to add my 2 cents. So, please do not come back to me with nastiness as, that could be THE MOMENT He returns, and you will be caught acting less than Christian. Just sayin.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Show me where Jesus returns TWICE - or three times like some believe! Do more than just quote a scripture - EXPLAIN!

You see him in millions of horses in rev 19
You see him on a cloud with a sickle in rev 14
He said he comes before the trib in mat 24
That is the bible

 

[The Light]

Quickly doesn't imply "any-time' or SOON. It implies just as the word means - suddenly. When it happens it happens suddenly - by surprise.

That's true.

There's no such thing as the fig tree generation.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

There's o such thing as a 7-year covenant.

Before you tell me a week is not 7 years do a little studying first.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The feast of Trumpets has zero to do with this.

It does and yet it is so far from your understanding that I will not attempt it at this time. You need to figure out that Jesus comes at the 6th seal first.

Nobody is watching for anti-Christ.

Ok. I guess they should stop posting that the man of sin must be revealed before Christ returns because they don't the understand the difference between the gathering from heaven and earth prior to the day of the Lord and the return of Jesus for the Church.

 

[The Light]

First pre-trib fabrication.
The fig tree represents Israel - the 1948 Jewish generation.

NOTHING in the chapter indicates it's meant for Jews OR that the fig tree represents Israel. Those ideas are clearly debunked.

Who debunked them? Your pastor?

Mathew 24 is about the parousia and the events leading up to the consummation of the age.
The Parousia is mentioned in verses 3, 27, 27, and 39. It takes one very misled person to believe this chapter is for only for Jews OR that the olive tree represents Israel.
"What is the sign of thy parousia and the consummation of the age."

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Jews. How can this be 1948? Almost three generations have passed since then!

The fig tree is a symbol of Israel

The Jews don't even believe in Jesus!

They will and they will be regrafted.

The word ELECT indicates CHRISTIANS! Not once in the NT does the word elect or chosen imply Jews.

How about the Old Testament? Do we scratch that stuff off?

The generation Jesus is refering to is the one that SEES all the things pass that he mentioned between verses 3 and 31. He uses a fig tree to illustrate. When the branch is tender and puts forth leaves - Summer is near -LIKEWISE - when you see events pass Jesus was talking about previously - HIS RETRUN - PAROUSIA IS NEAR!
It's not that difficult to figure out. The 1948 Jewish generation is long gone. (40-44 years)

A generation of strength is 80 years.

And they fly away. And they will fly away at the second harvest at the 6th seal. But you can't see the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal and you have no understanding as to why there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes. How's your golf game?

Psalm 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Second pre-trib fabrication.
The anti-Christ brokers a 7 or 3 1/2 year peace treaty with Israel.

Anybody who pulls that nonsense out of Daniel 9:27 isn't well.
The big question that challenges the experts interpretation is "who is the he of verse 27."

The 'prophecy experts' tell us that the 7 year tribulation begins with the signing of this 7 year peace treaty with Israel, and shortly after it's signed, the infamous false hope of a pre-tribulational rapture occurs.

I never told you that there will be a peace treaty with Israel. I said................."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" Does this say anything about a peace treaty with Israel? I think it will look more like the 7-year SDG Covenant that the UN wants strengthened on the Feast of Trumpets this year. It's probably going to look something like that.

There's not one verse in the bible that predicts a 7 year tribulation. The experts base this 7 year tribulation mostly on the 'gap' theory of Daniel's 70th week.

I agree. There is not a 7 year tribulation as the tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. Jesus returns for the second harvest. Then the wrath of God will begin. We know that the wrath of God lasts at least one year according to the Word.
So yes, there is a final 7 year period, but no the tribulation is not 7 years long.

Daniel 9:24-27 was fulfilled about 2000 years ago at Christ first advent.

Please. Messiah is cut off.

Why would the prophecy of “seventy weeks indicate anything but 70 sequential weeks? Why would this biblical time period start, then stop at what the experts call a 'gap,' and then start up again some 2000 years later? If that's the case then the week following the 69th week really isn't the 70th week since there's a 2000 year gap!

Why is there a need for this?

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The passage doesn't mention anything about tribulation, an anti-Christ, or the rebuilding of a temple, or animal sacrifices, or a peace treaty. The passage in verse 25 and 26 speak about the Messiah. So grammatically speaking it makes no sense that verse 27 would suddenly completely change into speaking about the anti-Christ. The Messiah being “cut off" is referring to Christ’s death.

SMH. So you think that the Jews are going to destroy their own city? and the sanctuary?

Please let me know any covenant made by God that is not eternal. God does not make 7 year covenants. Who teaches you this nonsense? Use some common sense and tell your teacher he doesn't know squat.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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Third fabrication.
The 'last trump' is not the 7th Trumpet but rather a trumpet sounded at a Jewish Festival of Trumpets.

The reason for turning the 'last trump' into a Jewish Trumpet - a religion that rejects Jesus - is because the 7th trumpet clearly debunks pre-trib.

What actually funny. What clearly debunks this pre-trib Jewish Festival Trumpet - NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE - is Revelation 8:6 "Now the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to blow them."

So according to Pre-trib - it's not going to be an angel of the Lord that sounds the last trump - it's a Jewish trumpet which means - THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ANGEL THAT DOESN'T SOUND!

Strong's says about the 'last trump' - "the trumpet after which no other will sound, 1 Corinthians 15:52,"

last in time or in place
last in a series of places
last in a temporal succession

It's an abomination to change this to Jewish trumpet.

The LAST TRUMP is the trumpet after which no other will sound, 1 Corinthians 15:52.

THERE'S NO REASON AT ALL TO TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT and pervert the hell out of it. You expect me to believe that the dead will rise and believers changed when a Jewish Trumpet is sounded when there's still ONE angel remaining to sound?? WOW!

The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. It is the last of 100 trumpet blasts. It is known as the LAST TRUMP. So we don't need to ignore the truth.

Use some common sense. The last trump is when the harvest occurs at the 6th seal. The trumpet blown by an angel is the last trump blown by an angel. Does that make it the LAST TRUMP? No. There will be trumpets blown every year on the Feast of Tabernacles

 

[The Light]

Sorry, had to add my 2 cents. So, please do not come back to me with nastiness

as, that could be THE MOMENT He returns, and you will be caught acting less than Christian. Just sayin.

The Lord has a little humor and we have at least 2 days.

 

[Davy]

You ignore the three comings of scripture.
Use that false starting place.
Then procede to connect the dots.

Just plain ludicrous

What I IGNORE is the idiotic doctrines of men that GO AGAINST the written Word of God.

So what I showed from ACTUAL Bible Scripture that PROVES man's Pre-trib Rapture theory is FALSE, totally destroys... those false workers of the devil that came up with that false theory.

 

[The Light]

What I IGNORE is the idiotic doctrines of men that GO AGAINST the written Word of God.

So what I showed from ACTUAL Bible Scripture that PROVES man's Pre-trib Rapture theory is FALSE, totally destroys... those false workers of the devil that came up with that false theory.

I have seen you prove nothing. Yes, there is a rapture after the tribulation at the sixth seal, but you have no understanding as to who is being raptured and from where.

Additionally, this does not prove there will not be a pretrib rapture.

Proving that Jack and Jill goes up the hill does not prove that Bill and Betty don't also go up the hill.

 

[The Light]

The danger to your soul is not the pretribulation rapture as proclaimed.

The danger is not watching and being ready as the Lord will come in an hour that many think not, just as He says.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I have seen you prove nothing. Yes, there is a rapture after the tribulation at the sixth seal, but you have no understanding as to who is being raptured and from where.

Additionally, this does not prove there will not be a pretrib rapture.

Proving that Jack and Jill goes up the hill does not prove that Bill and Betty don't also go up the hill.

Jesus used lot as a TIME REFERENCE of His coming.

You do realize, no matter the ingenious creativity, it completely destroys any hope of "one coming"???

 

[Davy]

I have seen you prove nothing. Yes, there is a rapture after the tribulation at the sixth seal, but you have no understanding as to who is being raptured and from where.

Additionally, this does not prove there will not be a pretrib rapture.

Proving that Jack and Jill goes up the hill does not prove that Bill and Betty don't also go up the hill.

I actually am not the One Who has proven His coming is AFTER... the tribulation, because Lord Jesus Himself is Who said it, not me! So you are actually challenging Lord Jesus by not believing what He said, not me!

 

[The Light]

I actually am not the One Who has proven His coming is AFTER... the tribulation, because Lord Jesus Himself is Who said it, not me! So you are actually challenging Lord Jesus by not believing what He said, not me!

You need to get your head in the game. I know Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation. However, He is not coming for the Church as they will be in heaven before the seals are opened, as the Lord Himself comes for the bride before the tribulation when it is like the days of Noah.

When Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation, when its like the days of Lot, He will send His angels. The 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes should tell you who is raptured at the 6th seal after the tribulation. However, since you think that you have replaced the Chruch, the obvious is not an option for you.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I actually am not the One Who has proven His coming is AFTER... the tribulation, because Lord Jesus Himself is Who said it, not me! So you are actually challenging Lord Jesus by not believing what He said, not me!

All pre-tribbers believe that Jesus returns after the tribulation