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Only God can lead me through the Holy Spirit.....you can think and believe whatever you like.
There are only two types of people in the world: those who are born of the Spirit and those who are not. In the end, only those two categories matter (John 3:3). Our earthly lives are extended opportunities for us to respond to God’s call and become born of the Spirit (Hebrews 3:15).
This lady here, is Alive in the Spirit....she ain’t dead...she’s been Born of God/ Spirit gives birth to spirit ....if he spoke to me through you, I’m open to receive his word....all I got was scripture that said nothing to my spirit.....I’ll leave you with this scripture....that is “ Alive”....a Born Again can NEVER lose their salvation, they were grafted in by God .....Only God can graft us into Jesus....he does it by his supernatural power, which comes via the Holy Spirit.

For heavens sake, wake up @Lizbeth ...you are being “ LIED” to!!

John 10:28
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I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

New Living Translation
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,

English Standard Version
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Berean Standard Bible
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

Berean Literal Bible
And I give them eternal life, and never shall they perish to the age, and never will anyone seize them out of My hand.

King James Bible
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

New King James Version
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand

Problem for some is that they have no concept or understanding of the word 'eternal'!
 
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Problem for some is that they have no concept or understanding of the word 'eternal'!

Most believers think that Eternal Life is a period of time.

Its actually a state of spiritual existence that is equal to the Life of God., as its His Life that is Eternal Life.

Jesus said that if you believe in Him, "i'll give you Eternal Life"....and that is HIMSELF< Joining His Eternal Life to you.
 

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Sister, we can be mistaken. And there are definitely things that can get in the way and hinder our hearing or cause us to be mistaken. Test the spirits...don't assume everything that feels right actually is. Even the scripture you are alluding to here clearly warns to beware that branches can be broken off the tree. My oh my.....sister, please stop being deceived!

This false gospel of "you can do whatever you please and still stay saved" is leading people to perdition and those who are preaching/teaching it will have to account for their blood on their hands. "If it is hard even for the righteous to be saved........"

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How do you reconcile the verses you believe say we can lose our salvation with verses that say the life we receive through Christ when we believe is eternal? There cannot be contradiction in the Word of God! Btw I don't hear anyone but those of you who believe our eternal life can be forfeited saying those who have been born again can live anyway they please and continue to have eternal life!
 
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You are showing us that you are trying to keep yourself saved by the self effort of "Repentance" and "determination not to sin".

So, that is not Faith in Christ to keep you saved.. .That is faith in your self effort to try to stay saved.

What is that? = That is SELF Righteousness.

That is Broken faith.. That is substituting yourself, in place of God's Salvation.

That is the very definition of : LEGALISM

Some seem not to believe that God doesn't need our help to give eternal life to whosoever believes by grace through faith!
 

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I am Born Again....who said I can do whatever I please?


1 John 3:9​


ESVNo one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
NIVNo one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
NASBNo one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.

A branch that has been grafted in by God, can NEVER be broken off....where on Earth are you getting this nonsense from....

I stand on God’s word.....I will NEVER lose my salvation.....God would NEVER un - birth me from his Holy Spirit.....where is your faith in God?.....

Thank you Father God that I know by the testifying of your Holy Spirit, that I am Alive in Jesus...and have received the Spirit of your truth 31 years...and not once have I doubted your living word.



HALLELUJAH!!!...
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Faith Without Works Is Dead​

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.​

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.​

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?​

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.​

I am Born Again....who said I can do whatever I please?


1 John 3:9​


ESVNo one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
NIVNo one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
NASBNo one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.

A branch that has been grafted in by God, can NEVER be broken off....where on Earth are you getting this nonsense from....

I stand on God’s word.....I will NEVER lose my salvation.....God would NEVER un - birth me from his Holy Spirit.....where is your faith in God?.....

Thank you Father God that I know by the testifying of your Holy Spirit, that I am Alive in Jesus...and have received the Spirit of your truth 31 years...and not once have I doubted your living word.



HALLELUJAH!!!...
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Faith Without Works Is Dead​

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.​

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.​

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?​

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.​

Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
 

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Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Lets examine this a bit . The branches were broken off , that means THEY AINT SAVED .
THE KEY is NO ONE wants to be out of the TREE . now the good news is
if one comes to Christ JESUS they can be grafted in .
But take note , paul warns THE CHURCH about HAVING TO CONTINUE , IN HIS GOODNESS
otherwise they too will be cut off . Exactly . YET today if one says YE must continue
they get told they have no faith or trust in CHRIST . YET JESUS SAID IT FIRST , long before paul ever did .
Peter brings this up too . and paul brings it up in other letters too .
AND JESUS FROM HEAVEN to the seven churches BRINGS UP THAT REMINDER AGAIN TOO .
SO how come they look at us as though we have no faith or trust in GOD or in CHIRST
just cause we remind them . Guess paul had no faith in CHRIST when HE WROTE what HE WROTE .
Exactly . THE WARNINGS and REMINDERS COME FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT .
Me thinks folks forget quickly HOW JESUS KEEPS US SAFE and FROM FALLING . HE WARNS US
the SPIRIT INSTRUCTS US . ALL warnings and all reminders ARE FOR OUR GOOD . Yet many twist them
and have done so unto their own destruction .
 

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Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

They were broken off their own NATURAL tree because of unbelief. If we say we have faith and believe in Christ, but then like the natural branches, it will be shown that we too are in unbelief. You underlined the caveat, we MUST continue in His goodness, and if we do not we show ouselves to be no different than natural branches that were cut off being in UNBELIEF. This has nothing to do with losing the eternal life we HAVE through Christ! Paul says nothing about the faithful being cut off, only those in unbelief!
 

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Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Romans 11:2 (KJV) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
 

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Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Which I have already explained to you, which you keep dismissing.

“ They weren’t of the true vine”:...because they weren’t “ Born Again “...only the Father can birth us in the Spirit.,.since we are truly Born Again...we have eternal life.

Online summary.

Jesus promised that his sheep would be preserved and never perish. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27–28).

The reason for this is that God works to preserve the faith of the sheep. “He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).

We are not left to ourselves to fight the fight of faith. “It is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Philippians 2:13).

You have the assurance of God’s word that, “IF YOU ARE HIS CHILD “ he will “equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ” (Hebrews 13:21).

Our endurance in faith and joy is finally and decisively in the hands of God. Yes, we must fight. But this very fight is what God works in us. And he most certainly will do it, for, as it says in Romans 8:30, “Those whom he justified he also glorified.” The glorification of God’s justified children is as good as done.

He will lose none of those he has brought to faith and justified.
John 15:2
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He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.

New Living Translation
He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more.

English Standard Version
Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Berean Standard Bible
He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful.

Berean Literal Bible
Every branch not bearing fruit in Me, He takes it away; and every one bearing fruit, He prunes it that it may bear more fruit.

King James Bible
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.



Do you actually understand the “ LIVING “ word of God...you obviously don’t seem to be receiving it?..

My faith is Alive...it’s not dead!!

Enlightened is NOT being Born Again...are you actually listening to God’s word, is His Spirit Alive in you?

One must be Born of God/ Spirit gives birth to spirit....God does not say you must be enlightened to see the Kingdom of God.

God says you must be “ BORN AGAIN “. to see the Kingdom of God!!
John 6:39
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And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

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And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day.

English Standard Version
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

Berean Standard Bible
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

Berean Literal Bible
Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day.

John 3:1-21

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You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you[f] do not receive our testimony. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.[g] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.[h]

For God So Loved the World​

16 “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
 
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Problem for some is that they have no concept or understanding of the word 'eternal'!
Unfortunately the OSAS people are the ones who are not understanding what eternal life is and that is why they don't fully grasp those verses. It's not about length of time per se, but it is referring to a realm. ie, spiritual, heavenly realm/kingdom of God, where there is no death. Life in the Spirit....spiritual life.....eternal life. Which does not necessarily mean one will have it for eternity if they should fall away, or be like the 5 unwise virgins or the faithless servant who had been given one talent, etc.
 
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They were broken off their own NATURAL tree because of unbelief. If we say we have faith and believe in Christ, but then like the natural branches, it will be shown that we too are in unbelief. You underlined the caveat, we MUST continue in His goodness, and if we do not we show ouselves to be no different than natural branches that were cut off being in UNBELIEF. This has nothing to do with losing the eternal life we HAVE through Christ! Paul says nothing about the faithful being cut off, only those in unbelief!
Tell me how do people get grafted into the tree in the first place? Only by faith - by coming to Christ and partaking of the new covenant. It is talking about born again believers having the potential to be cut off, not the unsaved who aren't grafted in - that would be an oxymoron.
 
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@Ritajanice Who was it that said posting screeds of scripture unexplained was frowned upon here…..the echo chamber causes deafness apparently….unless you explain what the meaning of the scripture was, what was the point of quoting it post after post after post…..it shows that you can’t explain a single thing except that you are “born again” and don’t need to explain anything…..that is delusional IMO.

We can be confident of only one thing…..that God authorized his son to be our judge. He knows who is truly a “saint” (elect or chosen one) and the reason why such are chosen, and who are actually deluded by their own need to be right? The deceived do not know that they are, and God will not correct them. (2 Thess 9-12)
This is us being caught in the act of being who we truly are.
 
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@Ritajanice Who was it that said posting screeds of scripture unexplained was frowned upon here…..the echo chamber causes deafness apparently….unless you explain what the meaning of the scripture was, what was the point of quoting it post after post after post…..it shows that you can’t explain a single thing except that you are “born again” and don’t need to explain anything…..that is delusional IMO.

We can be confident of only one thing…..that God authorized his son to be our judge. He knows who is truly a “saint” (elect or chosen one) and the reason why such are chosen, and who are actually deluded by their own need to be right? The deceived do not know that they are, and God will not correct them. (2 Thess 9-12)
This is us being caught in the act of being who we truly are.
Answer my questions...from the scripture I posted?

All the questions I asked ,you “ Dodged”...

I have explained all scripture that I posted.

You explained a story...fairytale at that..

Born Again?Spirit gives birth to spirit....which means what exactly?
 
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We can be confident of only one thing…..that God authorized his son to be our judge. He knows who is truly a “saint” (elect or chosen one) and the reason why such are chosen, and who are actually deluded by their own need to be right? The deceived do not know that they are, and God will not correct them. (2 Thess 9-12)
This is us being caught in the act of being who we truly are.
We can be confident knowing...that it’s God who births our Spirit, via the Holy Spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I’m still waiting for you to prove God’s word wrong?

Enlightened...is NOT being Born Again....and without the rebirth...NO ONE will see the Kingdom of God...been there and explained all about the Kingdom of God to you.

A Born Again doesn’t write their own fairytale story....they are to serve God, he uses us for his purpose and plan, we are led by the Holy Spirit....we are in constant communication with God.

Now, you prove the Living word of God wrong.

We preach the Living word of God via the Holy Spirit...he is our teacher and helper...

God teaches through me....His Spirit is Alive And whoever is in Christ is Alive!!.....a Born Again is Alive in Christ.
Hallelujah and Praise God!....which I have never seen you do.

All you do, is post your tripe and glorify yourself,
 
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Tell me how do people get grafted into the tree in the first place? Only by faith - by coming to Christ and partaking of the new covenant. It is talking about born again believers having the potential to be cut off, not the unsaved who aren't grafted in - that would be an oxymoron.
They get grafted in by God, who births them in the Spirit....no one belongs to God unless they have received the Living birth...

That’s when the Born Again are in the true vine of Jesus...they are spiritually Alive in Christ....OSAS.... who are they you speak of?

I’m Born Again.....not “ ENLIGHTENED “..nor OSAS....

A Born Again is saved...Born Again and saved at the same time, for all of eternity...

This OSAS you speak of is foreign to me....that’s your opinion of a Born Again...is it?


Makes no sense and is a load of human made up nonsense.
 
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Unfortunately the OSAS people are the ones who are not understanding what eternal life is and that is why they don't fully grasp those verses. It's not about length of time per se, but it is referring to a realm. ie, spiritual, heavenly realm/kingdom of God, where there is no death. Life in the Spirit....spiritual life.....eternal life. Which does not necessarily mean one will have it for eternity if they should fall away, or be like the 5 unwise virgins or the faithless servant who had been given one talent, etc.

You're the one arguing ETERNAL life Christ promises to all who believe in Him, is NOT really ETERNAL after all. And you're the one that cannot reconcile verses that you believe tell us our life with Christ is not ETERNAL because we can fall away and be forever lost, with the verses that give us blessed assurance that the life we have in Him is ETERNAL. Meaning never ending, or time without end. Reconcile ALL of Scripture or you force contradiction into the Word of God!
 
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Unfortunately the OSAS people are the ones who are not understanding what eternal life is and that is why they don't fully grasp those verses. It's not about length of time per se, but it is referring to a realm. ie, spiritual, heavenly realm/kingdom of God, where there is no death. Life in the Spirit....spiritual life.....eternal life. Which does not necessarily mean one will have it for eternity if they should fall away, or be like the 5 unwise virgins or the faithless servant who had been given one talent, etc.
Do what?

the word eternal life is not a religious term,

It means what Jesus said

they will NEVER DIE (meaning they can NEVER DIE)

and because of this fact, they have eternal life (literally will live forever)

it is not people who believe in eternal security that have a problem understanding. It is those who want to push away Gods grace and try to earn it.
 
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Tell me how do people get grafted into the tree in the first place? Only by faith - by coming to Christ and partaking of the new covenant. It is talking about born again believers having the potential to be cut off, not the unsaved who aren't grafted in - that would be an oxymoron.
Actually it is not even the believer or unbeliever, it is the bad parts of the believer that is cut off and thrown in the fire. So that the good parts can produce fruit.
 
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We can be confident knowing...that it’s God who births our Spirit, via the Holy Spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I’m still waiting for you to prove God’s word wrong?

Enlightened...is NOT being Born Again....and without the rebirth...NO ONE will see the Kingdom of God...been there and explained all about the Kingdom of God to you.

A Born Again doesn’t write their own fairytale story....they are to serve God, he uses us for his purpose and plan, we are led by the Holy Spirit....we are in constant communication with God.

Now, you prove the Living word of God wrong.

We preach the Living word of God via the Holy Spirit...he is our teacher and helper...
Amen, we must be born again.

if one is enlightened, they are close. But not there yet.. they must respond to what God has revealed to them. Or they will remain lost.
 
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