Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[Davy]

Anyone ever hear of Palatium Britannicum?

That was a Palace in 'pagan' Rome that the Romans built for the king of the Bretons (British) they had captured, and for his family in Rome. That is where the British king was held prisoner in Rome. And the Roman historians (like Tacitus) record that the royal British family were CHRISTIANS. That was before... any Roman Church system. It showed that Christianity was accepted on national scales in Great Britain first, prior to the Roman Church.

Not only that, but it shows the Roman Church was actually established... by Apostle Paul AND the British royal family when prisoners in Rome. This is why Apostle Paul hints to greetings in Romans 16 to Rufus and Linus (1st bishop of Rome, and son of Claudia, a link to the British royal family). Rufus Pudens was a Roman soldier assigned to Britain, and he married Claudia of the British royal family, and brought her back to Rome. The Roman pagans wanted to execute her because she was a Christian.

 

[covenantee]

The above prophecy is just ignorance, period.

The European nations above are CHRISTIAN NATIONS, not... pagan nations from the pagan Roman empire! I wonder what ignorant false Jew thought that junk up.

So the devout Christian ought... to see that above doctrine as a literal ATTACK upon the Christian nations! And who would most likely be behind that attack? The "synagogue of Satan" that Jesus mentioned in Rev.2 and Rev.3, those who SAY they are Jews, but are not, and do lie, but are the "synagogue of Satan". It's those that really HATE the western Christian nations of Europe (and its Christian allied nations), even to this day.

A classic example of cultic modernist dispensational fantasy futurism, spawned in the counter-Reformation of the apostate papacy by 16th-century Jesuit Francisco Ribera, the "father of futurism".

What to believe?

1. Davy's apostate futurized fallacious fantasies.
2. The faith, vision, and sacrifice, to the death, of the Reformers, who responded to God's call to confront and defeat the antichrist of the apostate papacy, establishing the Protestant Church.

Anyone need a hint?

 

[Davy]

A classic example of cultic modernist dispensational fantasy futurism, spawned in the counter-Reformation of the apostate papacy by 16th-century Jesuit Francisco Ribera, the "father of futurism".

What to believe?

1. Davy's apostate futurized fallacious fantasies.
2. The faith, vision, and sacrifice, to the death, of the Reformers, who responded to God's call to confront and defeat the antichrist of the apostate papacy, establishing the Protestant Church.

Anyone need a hint?

LOL!
That above ploy does not work. Why? Because I am NOT... a Dispensationalist, nor do I believe in a false Pre-trib Rapture theory.


NEWS FLASH -- THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION IS OVER!

The Protestant Church in Europe is STILL INTACT! Catholics dwell among Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.! The 16th century Protestant Rebellion ended long, long ago! Same thing here in America! Turned out in the 16th century, it was NOT the end of the world, and the pope was NOT the Antichrist, same as it still is to this day.

You pushing DINOSAUR DOCTRINES OF MEN'S TRADITIONS. Why?

I'll tell you WHY. It is because your ignorant reformation theories are still useful to the FALSE JEWS who hate the Catholic Church!

 

[covenantee]

LOL!
That above ploy does not work. Why? Because I am NOT... a Dispensationalist, nor do I believe in a false Pre-trib Rapture theory.


NEWS FLASH -- THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION IS OVER!

The Protestant Church in Europe is STILL INTACT! Catholics dwell among Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.! The 16th century Protestant Rebellion ended long, long ago! Same thing here in America! Turned out in the 16th century, it was NOT the end of the world, and the pope was NOT the Antichrist, same as it still is to this day.

You pushing DINOSAUR DOCTRINES OF MEN'S TRADITIONS. Why?

I'll tell you WHY. It is because your ignorant reformation theories are still useful to the FALSE JEWS who hate the Catholic Church!

"FALSE JEWS who hate the Catholic Church!"

Thanks for the guffaws.

The Protestant Church has been under constant siege ever since Reformation deniers such as yourself have been deluded and deceived by the Darby/Scofield heresies of apostate Riberan futurism.

They are the essence of dispensationalism, zionism, and papalism, a brew of antichrists from whom the true Church is under constant attack.

Thank God for His Reformers and Reformation, who and which continue to confront and defeat the modernist apostasies of antichrists, and the deluded and deceived.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Now we look at Daniel 7:7-8 which also talks about this beast which was Rome...
Daniel 7:7-8
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Now notice something peculiar about this last kingdom. Daniel speaks of it, “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”

Notice here that Daniel, while hearing the angels interpretation of this fourth beast, is told this beast (kingdom) has 10 horns, and one “little” horn came up out of these 10 horns and “plucked up” 3 of the preceding horns.

Now the Ten horns represent ten kings and an “extra” king rose up out of these Ten, and he “plucked up” or destroyed “three” preceding kings. We see something else..
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Well out of this we can give the first identifying mark in finding out who the antichrist will be. So how do we know this “little horn” power is antichrist? Well, “Anti” means “opposite or “in place of” and this little horn king makes himself “opposite” of God by speaking “great words against the most high,” trying to change God’s laws, and by wearing “out the saints of the most high”

This little horn power is the antichrist.

So what are the Ten horns? Well remember how this beast power is Rome? And remember how a “horn” represents kings? Well the Roman Empire has been divided and now we have Western Europe. Here are the 10 divisions by ancient and modern name:

(1) Alemanni – Germany
(2) Franks – France
(3) Anglo-Saxons – England
(4) Burgundians – Switzerland
(5) Visigoths – Spain
(6) Suevi – Portugal
(7) Lombards – Italy
(8) Heruli
(9) Vandals
(10) Ostrogoths

Why don’t you see the last three, Heruli, Vandals and the Ostrogoths, on your map? Simply because these are the 3 horns that the antichrist “plucked up.”

So now we have FIVE identification marks to help us identify the Antichrist:

(1) He will rise up out of the Ten divisions of Rome
(2) He will destroy 3 of the kings among these Ten divisions
(3) He will “speak great words against the most high”
(4) He will “wear out” the saints of God. He is a persecuting power
(5) He “thinks to change times and laws” Daniel 7:25

We see Rome today, but it is not as strong as it was when it ruled the world before it was divided, but Rome still exists especially as we see the parts in Europe. That’s why the feet of the image in Daniel 2 still have the same “iron” as the legs, except this time its only “partly” strong, as she is today. So we can see how we are at the last days, because in the dream we see a Stone which “smote” it at it’s feet, and destroyed it. This stone is the kingdom of God.

The Beast is forming right in front of our eyes, Islamic nations + Russia: Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lydia, Egypt.
The three horns that were removed were Mubarek, Gaddafi & Sadam Hussein. The WAR has already become and will escalate.
THE EU nations won't attack Israel, please. This Revised Roman Empire is a false prophetic assumption.
It is the Ottoman Empire, who came after the Roman Empire who lasted almost 500 years and ended in 1923 amd now has come back to life.
Keep in mind, the Beast manifested itself as tje Babylonian, Egyptian, Medo-Persian, Assyrian, Greek and Roman and Ottoman empires.
Sorry to burst your bubble, this scenario is already playing out.

>>>The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. REV.17:12

This likely is a war that literally lasts one hour. When Iran gathers Islamic nations to attack Israel, likely it will be nuclear, which would explain the short period of time it lasts. Iran is said to now have five nukes. When the buttons are pressed, tur missiles will fly in both directions and all nations who come against Israel will destroyed. This happens at Jesus arrival and so it would 't argue that He could do this from calling down forever from heaven. ???
Another description of the effects of a nuclear war is
Zechariah 14:12:
And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
"dissolve" = melt away, consume away
... while they stand on their feet!

 

[The Light]

In Isaiah 14, God called Lucifer as just "a man", and not God. Satan can actually 'appear' on earth in our dimension, with his image of 'man' that God originally created him with.

I have read Isaiah 14 and there is no mention of Satan being a man. Isaiah 14 is talking about the king of Babylon and the Assyrian, not Satan.

 

[ewq1938]

The three horns that were removed were Mubarek, Gaddafi & Sadam Hussein. The WAR has already become and will escalate.

>>>The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. REV.17:12

The beast will have ten horns. It does not ever lose 3 and only have 7.

This likely is a war that literally lasts one hour.

No. The trib lasts 42 months and is called an "hour" in the Greek which can mean a varied period of time not specifically 60 min.

When Iran gathers Islamic nations to attack Israel, likely it will be nuclear, which would explain the short period of time it lasts. Iran is said to now have five nukes. When the buttons are pressed, tur missiles will fly in both directions and all nations who come against Israel will destroyed. This happens at Jesus arrival and so it would 't argue that He could do this from calling down forever from heaven. ???
Another description of the effects of a nuclear war is
Zechariah 14:12:
And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
"dissolve" = melt away, consume away
... while they stand on their feet!

This isn't about all of Israel, only one city Jerusalem and I do not believe this is nuclear war,. nor that the Lord uses nukes.

 

[ewq1938]

I have read Isaiah 14 and there is no mention of Satan being a man. Isaiah 14 is talking about the king of Babylon and the Assyrian, not Satan.

All angels are male including satan so he is a man just not a human man. He is said to be the ruler of the world, so he certainly could be a ruler over one place like Babylon.

 

[The Light]

All angels are male including satan so he is a man just not a human man. He is said to be the ruler of the world, so he certainly could be a ruler over one place like Babylon.

As I said, there is no mention of Satan in Isaiah 14

 

[covenantee]

The three horns that were removed were Mubarek, Gaddafi & Sadam Hussein.

Who was the little horn that plucked up Mubarek, Gaddafi & Sadam Hussein by their roots?

 

[ewq1938]

As I said, there is no mention of Satan in Isaiah 14

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who else but Satan will literally fall from heaven?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Who else but Satan could ascend into heaven like he did in Job?


Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Paul wrote that the Antichrist will also seek to do this and whether the AC is Satan or a Satan possessed man it still is a reference to Satan.


Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Exactly what Rev 20 depicts happening to Satan!

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Satan bound for a thousand years and I can easily imagine people saying this about him!

That's far too many coincidences to just be about some old king of Babylon as all of it exactly pertains to Satan and what is going to happen to him and what he tries to accomplish.

The serpent was in the garden of Eden.
Lucifer was in the garden of Eden.
Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden.

Satan fell from heaven.
Lucifer fell from heaven.

Satan will be cast into a pit.
Lucifer will be cast into a pit.

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The beast will have ten horns. It does not ever lose 3 and only have 7.

"The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings."
Dan. 7:24
subdue > put down, conquer. Those leaders were removes from their leadership, put down.

The trib lasts 42 months and is called an "hour" in the Greek which can mean a varied period of time not specifically 60 min.

The GT is 42 months. At the end of it, after Jesus returns, He defeats them into eh Battle called Armageddon. He sword ( word) comes out of His mouth and it is done, they are defeated deatroyed ... or do you think He needs more time to defeat them?

BTW, the Prophetic reference to Jerusalem refers to their nation, not just that city is attacked.

 

[ewq1938]

"The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings."
Dan. 7:24
subdue > put down, conquer. Those leaders were removes from their leadership, put down.

Not in any part of Rev. The ten horned beast keeps all ten horns.

The GT is 42 months. At the end of it, after Jesus returns, He defeats them into eh Battle called Armageddon. He sword ( word) comes out of His mouth and it is done, they are defeated deatroyed ... or do you think He needs more time to defeat them?

The one hour mentioned is a reference to the GT, not Armageddon.

BTW, the Prophetic reference to Jerusalem refers to their nation, not just that city is attacked.

I don't agree. Also, the only attack found in Rev would be after the Mill in Rev 20. Otherwise, the beast rules the world from Jerusalem, no attack on Jerusalem or Israel is needed.

 

[covenantee]

"The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings."
Dan. 7:24
subdue > put down, conquer. Those leaders were removes from their leadership, put down.

Who was the king that subdued them? Of what kingdom was he the king?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Who was the king that subdued them? Of what kingdom was he the king?

Satan is Dragon that controls the Beast that controls through these puppets.
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph. 6:11-12

Principalities are Satan's prince's in charge of certain areas of the world and they in turn empower these evil men, like Sadaam Husein, Gaddafi and Mubarek were. Iran, for instance, can become more influencial with these guys out of the way. Remember those civil wars that sprung up almost simultaneously in those three countries and the leaders gone quickly. They were plucked out, Sadaam in 2003 and the other two in 2011.
Whatever I'm not going to squabble about it, you can believe what you want.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Not in any part of Rev. The ten horned beast keeps all ten horns.





The one hour mentioned is a reference to the GT, not Armageddon.



I don't agree. Also, the only attack found in Rev would be after the Mill in Rev 20. Otherwise, the beast rules the world from Jerusalem, no attack on Jerusalem or Israel is needed.

Well, I don't agree with your view.

 

[The Light]

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

That is a translation error only found in the King James Versions of the Bible. They translated from the Latin Vulgate and lucifer was the Latin word for day star. So instead of translating lucifer from Latin to day star, they did not translate the Latin word lucifer but instead made a proper name Lucifer. Complete error.

The passages in Isaiah are talking about the Babylonian king Nimrod what was and is not and will come again. There are seven kings, five have fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. Nimrod is the eighth king who is of the 7.

He is a man that will seeks to rise above the heavens. He built the tower of Bable to rise above the heavens. Nimrod is the day star. The whole Babylonian religion is based on Nimrod at his death becoming the sun. That is why the there is a sun god. Semiramis his wife, mother is the moon in the Babylonian religion. Tammuz, who is Horus is the star.

The verses in Isaiah 14 are not talking about Satan, they are talking about the beast of the sea............which you think is a kingdom. Of course it's not. It is a man.

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That is a translation error only found in the King James Versions of the Bible. They translated from the Latin Vulgate and lucifer was the Latin word for day star.

That's not exactly correct.

From ISAIAH 14:12, the Hebrew word ,halal, transliterated helel, English is lucifer (English come from Latin)
"Morning star", "day star", "shining one".
God is speaking to an angel, who has fallen from Heaven, not Nimrod and calls him morning star, Halal or Lucifer in English.
It's a name, like an Indian Chief would name a warrior, Sitting Bull or Crazy Horse. Many names have meaning in them, first and last names. Lucifer's name was changed to Satan, meaning adversary, accuser. He was no longer a bright morning star.
These are English translations that use Lucifer:
BRG
DARBY
DRA Douay-Rheims 1899
GNV 1599 Geneva
JUB Jubilee Bible
TLB. Living Bible
MEV Modern English
KJV 1611
NKJV
WYC Wycliffe

 

[Timtofly]

I don't agree. Also, the only attack found in Rev would be after the Mill in Rev 20. Otherwise, the beast rules the world from Jerusalem, no attack on Jerusalem or Israel is needed.

That is not the only attack mentioned. Armageddon is the attack of Jesus against the 10 horns, and it happens for one hour on a Sunday between 5pm and 6pm.

6pm starts the Monday of the first day of the Millennium.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Same war as the battle of Armageddon mentioned in the prior chapter:

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth (the 10 horns) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

Revelation 19 is the battle of Armageddon.

The battle against Jerusalem is mentioned in the 4th and 6th Seals. That is when Zechariah 14 happens. Revelation 19 is not Jesus Coming to the Mount of Olives. Revelation 19 is not an attack on Jerusalem. It is an hour away from Jerusalem near mount Megiddo in the valley which is a great plain where many battles have been fought.

Jesus is returning to remove Satan from being the 8th king and his 42 month long Babylonian Empire based in Jerusalem on the throne set up by Jesus at the 6th Seal. You claim nothing happens in the Seals, but that is the only time Jesus comes as a thief in the night. So much stealth, you have been led to accept nothing even happens. Armageddon is not a thief in the night Second Coming. It is a planned event down to the very day and hour. 42 months from the days of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Those 42 months is the third woe, when Satan is allowed 42 months to set up the Abomination of Desolation.

Those gathered in the final harvest wait in safety during those 42 months. Then return to Armageddon where Jesus defeats the 10 horns and destroys the last of Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

The ten horns are found here:

"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns." Revelation 12:3

"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns." Revelation 13:1

"So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." Revelation 17:3

The same phrase of seven heads and ten horns, connects these 3 times this beast is referrenced. The same historical beast of 6 historical kingdoms with the 7th head as Satan and his future 10 kings. From the historical perspective the authority was on the heads in Revelation 12. That authority was transfered to the horns in Revelation 13. The horns have no kingdom, but they do have armies who fight for them. We are in the dead 6th kingdom that has no single world kingdom. We have the United Nations, but with no real authority. We have the g10, and the g20. But until the Second Coming, there will not even be 10 governmental areas set up.

Satan revives the 6th kingdom in direct opposition to Jesus sitting in judgment in Jerusalem. That is when the 10 kings appear without kingdoms because the earth was geographically changed at the Second Coming, and the former nations as we know them today no longer exist.

Some have been confused by the fictional portrayal of end time events set up to make movies and sell books. Some have taken the historical prophecies from Daniel that have already happened and transpose them into the future as double fulfillment. The only future is the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, and the potential of Satan as the 8th kingdom. Jesus is the 7th and final kingdom on earth for the next 1,000 years.

 

[covenantee]

Satan is Dragon that controls the Beast that controls through these puppets.
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph. 6:11-12

Principalities are Satan's prince's in charge of certain areas of the world and they in turn empower these evil men, like Sadaam Husein, Gaddafi and Mubarek were. Iran, for instance, can become more influencial with these guys out of the way. Remember those civil wars that sprung up almost simultaneously in those three countries and the leaders gone quickly. They were plucked out, Sadaam in 2003 and the other two in 2011.
Whatever I'm not going to squabble about it, you can believe what you want.

There's no mention of Satan or dragon in Daniel 7.

If you think you know who was subdued, why don't you know who subdued them?

History reveals that the little horn Roman papal kingdom subdued three kingdoms, the Heruli, Ostrogoths, and Vandals.

No secret there.