What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

[Peterlag]

As I have said prior, I think the water baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch and the water baptism of the gentiles at the house of Cornelius disprove your theory. Both happen in the book of Acts, after the gospels and Pentecost.

Furthermore, you are assuming that other mentions of baptism do NOT mean water baptism. The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is usually accompanied with statements about receiving the Holy Spirit or the initial evidence of such. (tongues, prophecy, praising God)

Granted, this is not clear in Acts two thirty-eight. (see below) Are you claiming that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is for the forgiveness of sins?

Acts 2:38 NIV
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

/ @Hillsage

You only have one. The Ethiopian eunuch. Cornelius was not baptized with water as verse 48 says. But in the name of the Lord. Acts 2:38 does not mention water either. It is not my theory. It's the facts. You have one example. The Enunch.

 

[Peterlag]

Dear Peterlag,
Just a quick comment.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus is what should be performed AFTER Christ comes to an unbeliever and gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. The Early Rain of the Spirit is not the baptism of the Spirit. Water baptism is a physical symbol which precedes the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain) which is given later when Christ comes a second time to the believer (if they are one of the Elect).

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is synonymous with the Latter Rain of the Spirit.

James said this:

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

The "coming of the Lord" that James is referencing is when Christ "comes again" and gives the believer the Latter Rain. That is why James is telling them to be patient. They are waiting for the Lord to return with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

After a person receives the Early Rain, they are called out from the world and will enter the church. In this unconverted spiritual condition, they must wait on the Lord to return with the Latter Rain and convert them. This concept is taught by the marriage analogy used in scripture. When a person receives the Early Rain, they become espoused to Christ. Christ then goes away to prepare a place for them. At the appointed time, Christ will return for His bride. If Christ finds the believer in a "chaste" condition (in faith), the marriage ceremony will take place. This is when the baptism of the Holy Spirit is given.

Paul is referencing the marriage analogy in this verse below:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

The believers who are "waiting for him" are believers in the church who have only received the Early Rain of the Spirit. When Christ appears a second time, He will bring them salvation (conversion).

Paul's conversion experience is the pattern (type) whereby all the Elect will be saved. It starts with the Early Rain and ends with the Latter Rain. Have you ever studied it?

Joe

We are not the bride. We are the body of Christ. Israel was the bride which was a figure of speech. There is not going to be a marriage.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Godslittleservant, you are not teaching harmony without contradiction of the Word of God. You are forcing disharmony and contradiction teaching that man must be baptized in water to be saved.

Salvation is God's gracious free gift to mankind who believe the Gospel. But mankind, being spiritually dead in trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1,5 Col 2:13) must be quickened (made spiritually alive) by the Holy Spirit to believe the Gospel. (Jo 6:63; Gal 6:8; 1 Cor 15:14; 2 Cor 3:6; 1 Pe 3:18) Man hears the Gospel and after hearing he/she is either eternally saved by believing, or they are still in unbelief. Before having the ability to believe a man must have faith. Faith to believe and be saved comes from the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23). Spiritually dead mankind does not have the fruit of faith to believe without the Spirit of Christ in them. The Spirit of Christ working together with His Gospel message give all who are ordained to eternal life (Acts 13:48) the fruit of faith. That makes it possible for man to understand their need of Christ to eternally save them, and he/she turns to Christ in repentance believing.

This is what happened in the book of Acts that you have not rightly understood.

In Acts 19 when Paul asks if they have received the Holy Spirit upon believing, he recognizes they have already received the fruit of faith from the Spirit, otherwise it makes no sense for him to say "since ye believed". Paul knows, and we learn this throughout his writings, that without the fruit of faith in them, they could not believe. But Paul also wants to know if they had received the same 'gift' that had been witnessed elsewhere. But they had no idea what Paul was talking about, being Gentiles of faith, they had never heard of being baptized in the Holy Spirit. The only baptism they knew of was that of John by water. Then Paul acknowledges that was good, because John's baptism by water was done for repentance of sins. They would not have been baptized in water unless they had heard the Gospel and received the fruit of faith from the Spirit in them, that they might then repent of their sins. Paul tells them about the baptism of the Holy Spirit that came after John's baptism by water. After laying hands on them the Holy Spirit gave them the gift of tongues, proving that when they believed the Gospel they were baptized in the Holy Spirit as well as having already been baptized in water.

Acts 2 is proof that the Gospel they had just heard Peter preach was believed "they were pricked in their heart, said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?" After hearing the Gospel they received the fruit of faith and believing they repented and received the gift of the Spirit in them of speaking in tongues. It does not say being baptized in water they believed and their sins were remitted. It says they were baptized in the Holy Spirit and as proof they received from the Spirit in them the gift of tongues.

This, like we find elsewhere in the Acts of the Apostles is written to be an example for us that eternal salvation, as we find throughout Scripture is by God's grace through faith, that whosoever believes the Gospel HAS been eternally saved. Once this profession of faith is made the new Christian submits to the ordinance of water baptism that not only points to baptism of the Holy Spirit by which we are saved, but it also shows that we are no longer of this world, we have been translated from the darkness and death of this world into the spiritual Kingdom life and light.

When you make eternal salvation dependent upon our being baptized in water, that is John's baptism, and without the fruit of faith that comes from the Holy Spirit within, water baptism has no power to eternally save anyone. By saying water baptism is needed for us to be saved, is denying that we are save by God's grace through faith, and that our eternal life is wholly dependent upon the gift of God alone. Rightly understood, water baptism serves its purpose, but arguing that man must be baptized in water to be saved, makes a mockery of our Lord and Savior who alone gives eternal life to all who believe in Him.

John 1:12-13 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So much error in what you have posted but I have gone over this with you and you cannot see where you are misunderstanding the simple text of scripture so I will leave you with your man made Calvinistic doctrine. I can only repost the scripture that speaks the truth you are unable to see so I have to shake the dust from my feet and move along. Its been good discussing this with you sorry I let you down.

 

[amigo de christo]

You only have one. The Ethiopian eunuch. Cornelius was not baptized with water as verse 48 says. But in the name of the Lord. Acts 2:38 does not mention water either. It is not my theory. It's the facts. You have one example. The Enunch.

wrong again my dear friend . for if we bother to even read what PETER said , AFTER they had recieved the HOLY SPIRIT
we would see peter himself talking about water to baptize them with . YES . OH YES .
And now a word
IF THE EARLY CHURCH DID IT , WE DO it . lambs know its all about faith in CHRIST and lambs are hearers and doers of the Word .
They love and embrace TRUTH , for GOD has put that LOVE within their hearts .

 

[Peterlag]

wrong again my dear friend . for if we bother to even read what PETER said , AFTER they had recieved the HOLY SPIRIT
we would see peter himself talking about water to baptize them with . YES . OH YES .
And now a word
IF THE EARLY CHURCH DID IT , WE DO it . lambs know its all about faith in CHRIST and lambs are hearers and doers of the Word .
They love and embrace TRUTH , for GOD has put that LOVE within their hearts .

You have one verse where Peter mentions water. And nobody said yes. Instead they did it in the name of the Lord. Which means by the authority of Jesus Christ. We are baptized in him. Not water, soup, or apple butter. But in him the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[FaithWillDo]

We are not the bride. We are the body of Christ. Israel was the bride which was a figure of speech. There is not going to be a marriage.

Dear Peterlag,
The parable of the Ten Virgins is teaching the pathway to salvation the Elect will travel for salvation. The marriage is a symbol for the conversion of the Elect believer. Conversion consists of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of Fire. As each Elect person is converted in this age, they become the Bride of Christ. Then upon their resurrection from the grave at the end of this age, they will receive a glorious spiritual body and will be displayed to the rest of mankind as the Bride of Christ (Rev 21). The Elect are the only ones who will be saved by Christ in this present age.

As for the Nation of Israel, they will not be saved (for the most part) until the end of the final age and will never become the Bride of Christ - that honor is reserved for only the Elect. When the physical Nation of Israel is saved at the end of the final age, they will become "spiritual Jews" just has the Elect (both physical Jew and Gentile) of this age became. The flesh counts for nothing.

As for terms which describe the Elect, there are many. You mentioned the "body of Christ' and I mentioned the "Bride". The Elect are also called the "First Fruits" of Christ's harvest of mankind, the "heirs" of the promise made to Abraham, the "called and chosen" who are "few", the "faithful", the "blessed" the "overcomers", the New Jerusalem and finally the "witnesses" of Christ in this world.

Joe

 

[Wick Stick]

You only have one. The Ethiopian eunuch. Cornelius was not baptized with water as verse 48 says. But in the name of the Lord. Acts 2:38 does not mention water either. It is not my theory. It's the facts. You have one example. The Enunch.

Just glossing past verse 47, where water is specifically mentioned?

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 

[St. SteVen]

You only have one. The Ethiopian eunuch. Cornelius was not baptized with water as verse 48 says. But in the name of the Lord. Acts 2:38 does not mention water either. It is not my theory. It's the facts. You have one example. The Enunch.

Even one example unravels your theory. But I have two.
The verse below proves that baptism in Jesus' name was water baptism.
Including Acts 2:38.

Acts 10:47-48 NIV
“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

/

 

[Ritajanice]

You have one verse where Peter mentions water. And nobody said yes. Instead they did it in the name of the Lord. Which means by the authority of Jesus Christ. We are baptized in him. Not water, soup, or apple butter. But in him the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are birthed in the Spirit.....via the Holy Spirit.....by the will of God .

 

[St. SteVen]

Even one example unravels your theory. But I have two.
The verse below proves that baptism in Jesus' name was water baptism.
Including Acts 2:38.

Acts 10:47-48 NIV
“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

/

On that basis, every example here is water baptism.

Acts 2:38 NIV
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:16 NIV
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them;
they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 NIV
So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

Acts 19:5 NIV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

/

 

[St. SteVen]

You only have one. The Ethiopian eunuch. Cornelius was not baptized with water as verse 48 says. But in the name of the Lord. Acts 2:38 does not mention water either. It is not my theory. It's the facts. You have one example. The Enunch.

How do you explain this verse if baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is Holy Spirit baptism?

It says that they had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus,
BUT the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them.

Acts 8:16 NIV
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them;
they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

/

 

[Peterlag]

How do you explain this verse if baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is Holy Spirit baptism?

It says that they had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus,
BUT the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them.

Acts 8:16 NIV
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them;
they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

/

The Bible does not tell us why they did not receive the spirit of Christ after someone was trying to get them born again. So we don't know. Now we can guess all day long, but we still don't know.

 

[Peterlag]

Even one example unravels your theory. But I have two.
The verse below proves that baptism in Jesus' name was water baptism.
Including Acts 2:38.

Acts 10:47-48 NIV
“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

/

No... one example proves nothing because there's no teaching on this water anywhere in the New Testament. And again, only by the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards. The teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ is taught all throughout the New Testament starting in the book of Romans. Water is never taught anywhere. Everybody must have said no to Peter in verse 47 because nobody mentions water in verse 48.

 

[Peterlag]

Just glossing past verse 47, where water is specifically mentioned?

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Examples of what people do does not establishment doctrine. There's no teaching on this water anywhere in the New Testament. And again, only by the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards. The teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ is taught all throughout the New Testament starting in the book of Romans. Water is never taught anywhere. Everybody must have said no to Peter in verse 47 because nobody mentions water in verse 48.

 

[Peterlag]

Dear Peterlag,
The parable of the Ten Virgins is teaching the pathway to salvation the Elect will travel for salvation. The marriage is a symbol for the conversion of the Elect believer. Conversion consists of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of Fire. As each Elect person is converted in this age, they become the Bride of Christ. Then upon their resurrection from the grave at the end of this age, they will receive a glorious spiritual body and will be displayed to the rest of mankind as the Bride of Christ (Rev 21). The Elect are the only ones who will be saved by Christ in this present age.

As for the Nation of Israel, they will not be saved (for the most part) until the end of the final age and will never become the Bride of Christ - that honor is reserved for only the Elect. When the physical Nation of Israel is saved at the end of the final age, they will become "spiritual Jews" just has the Elect (both physical Jew and Gentile) of this age became. The flesh counts for nothing.

As for terms which describe the Elect, there are many. You mentioned the "body of Christ' and I mentioned the "Bride". The Elect are also called the "First Fruits" of Christ's harvest of mankind, the "heirs" of the promise made to Abraham, the "called and chosen" who are "few", the "faithful", the "blessed" the "overcomers", the New Jerusalem and finally the "witnesses" of Christ in this world.

Joe

Again, there's no bride for the Christian. The bride was a figure of speech about Israel. Christians are in the body of Christ. There's no ceremonial events. We get born again by...

Romans 10:9-10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Godslittleservant]

We are birthed in the Spirit.....via the Holy Spirit.....by the will of God .

What do you do with Acts 21:38 I will post it for you being it seems it is not in your bible
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Now read it closely It says that in this baptism the remission of sin is given and the indwelling spirit of Christ is given it is spelled out right there for you you can not read it any other way it is clearly recorded so that you can believe and trust in what God has said.

It is a water baptism that John the baptist said that Jesus would baptize with as the scripture makes clear in Acts 10:47&48
Acts 10:47 Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

It is where the indwelling spirit is given just as it says and the scriptures proves it to be true in Acts 19:1-5
Acts 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The bible is clear on what the word of God says about the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ some just will not accept the truth of what is recorded but that does not change the biblical truth of the matter. We have to read the word as it is recorded and stop trying to make it fit our preconceived ideal of what it says . It is clear as to how one is born again it is spelled out clearly in Romans chapter six

Romans 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin

Romans 6:3 clearly says that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ the one that John said Jesus would baptize with is a spiritual baptism in the fact that it is where God is doing the spiritual work of transforming us from dead in sin to alive in Christ we are putting on Christ we are joining him at the cross be are being born again and it is through the work of God in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ just as God had recorded so that we can believe and be born again through the words that he has given us.

Please please brothers and sisters stop arguing against the words God had recorded for us to trust and believe in and accept his word form truth and unite with him in his word.

 

[Ritajanice]

What do you do with Acts 21:38 I will post it for you being it seems it is not in your bible
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Now read it closely It says that in this baptism the remission of sin is given and the indwelling spirit of Christ is given it is spelled out right there for you you can not read it any other way it is clearly recorded so that you can believe and trust in what God has said.

It is a water baptism that John the baptist said that Jesus would baptize with as the scripture makes clear in Acts 10:47&48
Acts 10:47 Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

It is where the indwelling spirit is given just as it says and the scriptures proves it to be true in Acts 19:1-5
Acts 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The bible is clear on what the word of God says about the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ some just will not accept the truth of what is recorded but that does not change the biblical truth of the matter. We have to read the word as it is recorded and stop trying to make it fit our preconceived ideal of what it says . It is clear as to how one is born again it is spelled out clearly in Romans chapter six

Romans 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin

Romans 6:3 clearly says that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ the one that John said Jesus would baptize with is a spiritual baptism in the fact that it is where God is doing the spiritual work of transforming us from dead in sin to alive in Christ we are putting on Christ we are joining him at the cross be are being born again and it is through the work of God in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ just as God had recorded so that we can believe and be born again through the words that he has given us.

Please please brothers and sisters stop arguing against the words God had recorded for us to trust and believe in and accept his word form truth and unite with him in his word.

A Born Again has been birthed in the Spirit.

I’ve posted enough scripture on this subject.....as a child of God....I understand the spiritual rebirth, through the Holy Spirit....who testifies with our spirit, all knowledge.

I can’t make you understand the “ Living spiritual birth “......

I will leave you to God as you will never figure out being birthed in the Spirit...by your own strength..and that’s what it seems you are trying to do.

All in God’s timing....I will leave you to your own belief as you don’t seem to be understanding ....

Did God say, you choose to be Born Again.....no he didn’t....by his will and only by his will.

Not the will of man.

Good luck on your journey, understanding the truth of God’s Living word.

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” New Living Translation The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. New Living Translation Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. English Standard Version Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. I am Born Again...I have been Born of water and Spirit and YES I see and have entered into the Kingdom of God. It’s the spiritual realm....where we see through the eyes of the Holy Spirit who lives in our spirit. I was drawn to Jesus by God, I was brought to repentance by God....I was led by God to believe in Jesus....I believed in Jesus....then I was birthed in the Spirit.... I was baptised in water..months after becoming Born Again....it symbolises out with the old man, in with the new man......only Baptism in the Spirit, can set us free from sin....NOT water.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Godslittleservant, you are not teaching harmony without contradiction of the Word of God. You are forcing disharmony and contradiction teaching that man must be baptized in water to be saved.

With all due respect rwb it is not me that is not teaching harmony without contradiction of the Word of God. but you. I teach that you must believe all the gospel of Christ and in that gospel like it or not the baptism in the name of Christ is taught it. The baptism of Christ is taught as our response to the death burial and resurrection that is the gospel it is you that refuse that part of the gospel.

You are trying to teach Calvin's faith only but a clear reading of scripture will disprove that. We read that along with our faith we must repent that is no longer faith only but faith + repentance We also read that we must confess with our mouth that again disproves faith alone it is now faith + repentance + confessing. Then we (some of us ) read that we must be baptized in the name of Christ for the remission of sin and to receive the indwelling spirit. Now we have from Gods word faith + repentance +confessing + baptism in the name of Christ. I am able to harmonize all but you refuse to accept the teaching on baptism in the name of Christ. It is not me that is in contradiction it is you.

 

[Ritajanice]

With all due respect rwb it is not me that is not teaching harmony without contradiction of the Word of God. but you. I teach that you must believe all the gospel of Christ and in that gospel like it or not the baptism in the name of Christ is taught it. The baptism of Christ is taught as our response to the death burial and resurrection that is the gospel it is you that refuse that part of the gospel.

You are trying to teach Calvin's faith only but a clear reading of scripture will disprove that. We read that along with our faith we must repent that is no longer faith only but faith + repentance We also read that we must confess with our mouth that again disproves faith alone it is now faith + repentance + confessing. Then we (some of us ) read that we must be baptized in the name of Christ for the remission of sin and to receive the indwelling spirit. Now we have from Gods word faith + repentance +confessing + baptism in the name of Christ. I am able to harmonize all but you refuse to accept the teaching on baptism in the name of Christ. It is not me that is in contradiction it is you.

rwb....is Born Again....the Holy Spirit talks through him, God’s truth....

And NO we believe what God has revealed to our spirit.

How can you believe everything in scripture...without the Holy Spirit?

Lots of scripture I don’t understand...I understand what the Holy Spirit reveals to my heart/spirit...he opens scripture up to us as we feed on his word.

How else do you think we grow and mature in Christ?

I suggest you let go trying to work everything out by yourself....God knows your heart....and he will show you way....he’s with you...therefore wait on him, have a good talk with him, pour out your heart.... he’s waiting.

 

[Godslittleservant]

rwb....is Born Again....the Holy Spirit talks through him, God’s truth....

And NO we believe what God has revealed to our spirit.

How can you believe everything in scripture...without the Holy Spirit?

Lots of scripture I don’t understand...I understand what the Holy Spirit reveals to my heart/spirit...he opens scripture up to us as we feed on his word.

How else do you think we grow and mature in Christ?

I suggest you let go trying to work everything out by yourself....God knows your heart....and he will show you way....he’s with you...therefore wait on him, have a good talk with him, pour out your heart.... he’s waiting.

God knows my heart and maybe he is using me to talk to you to get you to see the truth in the part of his word you are not seeing correctly just maybe I do have the spirit and it is using me to open your eyes just maybe