OSAS being False Doctrine!

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Status
Not open for further replies.

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
This is your question?? Are you being rhetorical? Or do you think no one but you knows God's Spirit in them?


He will NEVER contradict His written Word.

Much love!
Oh dear.... I think I may have upset you...because I asked you a question.....I wonder why so many get so very touchy when I ask that question....and turn nasty over it,LOL.

Watch out marks...your mask is slipping...
 
  • Sad
Reactions: Taken

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
This is your question?? Are you being rhetorical? Or do you think no one but you knows God's Spirit in them?


He will NEVER contradict His written Word.

Much love!
What a shame...I was expecting interpretation of this scripture......I guess we all post scripture that “we” understand through the Holy Spirit.

Living in the Spirit
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body isdeadbecause of sin, yet your spirit is alivebecause of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.…
 

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,640
13,027
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Nonsense....once again no spiritual truth...your own theology.
Manmade theology....

Gave you scriptures…Not my job to read FOR you.

We are Born of God...by the will of God..your manmade theology..that you chose God to give birth to your spirit...is in your head...your theology is “ Your” theology..

IS (duh) Because of Gods Desire, His WILL, to transform men Desiring to be WITH God.

Actually, a mans “spirit” is BORN AGAIN…
Because of Gods Graceful Offering…
Mans acceptance of Gods Offering…
Gods Forgiveness.
God POWER entering the man.
Gods POWER circumcising the mans Heart.
God POWER giving the man a new Heart.
Gods SEED (Christ) entering the mans spirit
Gods Spirit of Truth (Gods Word Jesus) entering the mans born again spirit.

And NO, I will not look up Verifying Scriptures For you, Read For you, so you can again accuse other for you lack of comprehension.

Spirit gives birth to spirit?....you can’t even explain what it means....because you have no spiritual understanding.

Not rocket science. Seeds reproduce their same KIND of thing. Gods SEED births a SPIRIT, that can NEVER DIE!

One is taught by the Holy Spirit...you don’t even understand what that means...red flag to me and that’s why I will rebuke your false theology.and will continue to do so.

The Holy Spirit was NOT the TOPIC, or necessary for me to address.
Your wild off kilter teaching of men having NO PART of establishing a Relationship WITH God, became the TOPIC.

I negate your manmade theology...that you invited and accepted God to give birth to your spirit.

Wondering now if you are married, and HE was Forced into marriage having NO PART of establishing a relationship with you. :rolleyes:

Explain what being Born of God means then?

:rolleyes:

You said that Born Again was “ Acomplished in you” nonsense....that is NOT God’s word.....explain how God accomplished being Born Again in you...?...that doesn’t even make sense...that’s why I rebuke it.

More of your lack of understanding, and not knowing enough to go read and study the word of God.
Briefly…God sent His Word to Earth, Revealed His name JESUS. Gods Word was to stay on Earth and Accomplish where to Gods Word IS SENT. A Born Again man HAS the Spirit of Truth in such man. (you should know Jesus IS the Truth) And Yes, I am Born Again and the Spirit of Truth is in my Born Again spirit, FEEDING me “Gods TRUTH” ! Yes, Gods Word, Truth, Power & Seed (Christ Jesus) has “Accomplish-ED” IN me, AS God Sent Him …. To DO.
Your lack of knowledge and understanding and snarky arrogance to boot, is getting old and boring.

You are completely oblivious to the fact that God can only have a relationship with you, through his Spirit
..when he decides to bring our spirit Alive, by the rebirth.

LOL… delusional!
Well aware of my long time relationship with the Lord God Almighty, AND His WAY for man TO COME TO HIM…(that part you deny being a mans role in establishing a relationship WITH the Lord God Almighty)!
 

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,640
13,027
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
We are on different wavelengths of understanding....I’ll stick with the Holy Spirit and his leading , thanks....

Maybe you should start with the purpose of Scripture…which is to GAIN Knowledge…
Do That and you might even discover HOW TO GAIN Understanding (according to God) of the Knowledge.

Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Gal 3:
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ]B]one[/B], And to thy seed, which is Christ.

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Gave you scriptures…Not my job to read FOR you.

You gave me no scripture about a Born Again...I gave you plenty of scripture..and it’s not my problem, that you have no spiritual understanding of what God is saying.
IS (duh) Because of Gods Desire, His WILL, to transform men Desiring to be WITH God.

Actually, a mans “spirit” is BORN AGAIN…
Because of Gods Graceful Offering…
Mans acceptance of Gods Offering…
Gods Forgiveness.
God POWER entering the man.
Gods POWER circumcising the mans Heart.
God POWER giving the man a new Heart.
Gods SEED (Christ) entering the mans spirit
Gods Spirit of Truth (Gods Word Jesus) entering the mans born again spirit.

And NO, I will not look up Verifying Scriptures For you, Read For you, so you can again accuse other for you lack of comprehension.

No....God did not give man a choice to have their spirit birthed into his..Only the Holy Spirit can do that job...you have no say in the spiritual birth....Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Not rocket science. Seeds reproduce their same KIND of thing. Gods SEED births a SPIRIT, that can NEVER DIE!
God’s seed births the spirit...that HE chooses to birth...we have no say in the matter.
The Holy Spirit was NOT the TOPIC, or necessary for me to address.
Your wild off kilter teaching of men having NO PART of establishing a Relationship WITH God, became the TOPIC.
The Holy Spirit..is paramount in the life of a Born Again ...for it is he who testifies and brings revelation of God’s word, through his Spirit to our spirit..

Man has communion with God through the Holy Spirit...which once again..you don’t understand.
Wondering now if you are married, and HE was Forced into marriage having NO PART of establishing a relationship with you. :rolleyes:
Once again, your own human understanding, as you have no spiritual understanding of how God brings his children to becoming Born Again...like the wind......because “ you” believe you chose God...you try and force your manmade theology onto me....I will rebuke it every time....as I did NOT choose GOD HE CHOSE me..Praise His Holy Name..an Honour and a Privilege That he chose to bring me Alive in the power of his Holy Spirit.

:rolleyes:



More of your lack of understanding, and not knowing enough to go read and study the word of God.
Briefly…God sent His Word to Earth, Revealed His name JESUS. Gods Word was to stay on Earth and Accomplish where to Gods Word IS SENT. A Born Again man HAS the Spirit of Truth in such man. (you should know Jesus IS the Truth) And Yes, I am Born Again and the Spirit of Truth is in my Born Again spirit, FEEDING me “Gods TRUTH” ! Yes, Gods Word, Truth, Power & Seed (Christ Jesus) has “Accomplish-ED” IN me, AS God Sent Him …. To DO.
Your lack of knowledge and understanding and snarky arrogance to boot, is getting old and boring.

Again severe lack of spiritual understanding...and manmade theology...
LOL… delusional!
Well aware of my long time relationship with the Lord God Almighty, AND His WAY for man TO COME TO HIM…(that part you deny being a mans role in establishing a relationship WITH the Lord God Almighty)!
Again your opinion...on what or how you believe a person comes to Christ...
 
Last edited:

amigo de christo

Well-Known Member
Sep 12, 2020
23,663
40,378
113
52
San angelo
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
@Taken continued.



no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. (1 Corinthians 12:3)

A man doing works for the Lord..comes automatically after the rebirth......


As you’re in the Spirit.....you will understand this scripture......what’s it saying?
Living in the Spirit
…6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind of the flesh is hostile toGod: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

All of scripture you have posted here ,has nothing to do with becoming Born of God, by his spirit......and the rest is your own manmade theology....that you had a conversation with God and invited him to birth you in the Spirit.

You have no Born Again or Spiritual knowledge..of what it means to be supernaturally Born of God.

That’s why you never speak of the Holy Spirit...because you don’t understand the testifying of the Holy Spirit with our spirit that we are God’s Children....and you never answer any questions regarding the “ Living Birth”.....you just post your own theology that you invited God in to give birth to your spirit.

Absolutely obscured and false....only God can give birth to our spirit...it’s done via the Holy Spirit.

No way do you speak directly to God...as you say you do.....we communicate with God through the Holy Spirit...he’s the one who communicates with God on our behalf....when we pray, when we cry out .we cry out to the Holy Spirit..

All you do is voice your opinion..on how you chose God....giving yourself all the glory ...and how good you were for inviting God into your heart....absolute nonsensical nonsense.....as if God needs your permission to give birth to your spirit....your so ignorant, that you don’t even know that it’s an Honour to receive the Living spiritual birth.

When God wills someone to be Born Again by his Spirit...he works in the non believer....he draws them to Jesus ...he opens their heart to receive his Spirit as “ HE” planned it to happen....you lack so much spiritual understanding...as you believe it was forced....that’s human understanding and not spiritual understanding..

You can’t hear any of God’s knowledge, unless you are Born of God...Born Again...been baptised in the Holy Spirit and received him into our heart....whom God opens the heart to receive the Spiritual birth..you play no part in it...” NONE”....


Please note: John is very clear how a person is not born again. He is not born again by “blood,” that is, through human birth and heredity. No one is a Christian simply because he was born to Christian parents. Again, we must have a spiritual conception. The life of God must enter us. Moreover, a person is not born again by “the will of the flesh,” nor by “the will of man.” Two times the will is nixed. Not only can parents not place a baby in the font and decide for the child, but neither can the child decide himself–at any age. Important: A person is not born again by a decision of the human will. To become God’s child is a “right” that must be “given” to us at some point in our earthly journey or we will not go to heaven
Amplified Bible
who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified


Romans 8:28-30. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Total proof that all other religoins or athiest are NOT BORN AGAIN . so never heed the all inclusive love lie .
Cause anyone who has been born again WOULD CALL JESUS THE CHRIST , WOULD BELIEVE IN HIM .
ALL other religions be FALSE , not of GOD , not born again and are in total deadly danger , LEST THEY COME
to the saving KNOWLEDGE that JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY SAVOIR .
SO , yeah not a one of them are born again . Now sadly many even within christendom are not .
As i explained about myself the other day and how that even though i could lip His name that my heart was far from him
still loving my sins . BUT grace did come and i was BORN again with a new heart . NEVER LET them popes
and protestant leaders try and sell a lie to us that ITS not necessary to have to BELIEVE JESUS is CHRIST . cause they do the work
of anti christ . HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , YEAH IS ANTI CHRIST , IS A LIAR . just always remember that .
 

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Maybe you should start with the purpose of Scripture…which is to GAIN Knowledge…
Do That and you might even discover HOW TO GAIN Understanding (according to God) of the Knowledge.

Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
God says we are Born Again like the wind....Spirit gives birth to spirit....

The scripture that you post here...is exactly what God is saying..his word that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return to me void..but it shall ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE

Are you understanding..his word will accomplish that which HE PLEASES.......not what you please......his word NEVER returns back to him void.....why....because it’s his will and it’s his living word.....which is Active and mighty powerful......

Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
John 3:8
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”


Gal 3:
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ]B]one[/B], And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 13:20-21

20 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep,
21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Glory to God,
Taken
Maybe you need to pray for spiritual understanding as I see none in any of your posts...there is nothing spiritual in your words,imo.

This scripture you post has got nothing to do with being Born Again....it’s your own manmade theology

You piece scripture together and believe it to be saying what you want it to say...regarding the rebirth/ Born Again...therefore I rebuke your theology.

Jesus and Nicodemus
…2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.” 3Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of Godunless he is born again.” 4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”…
Berean Standard Bible · Download
 
Last edited:

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,653
21,740
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
What a shame...
Sorry, I didn't realize that was the verse you were talking about. I thought you were asking if anyone knew the Spirit was alive, that was the question you posted, and that was the question I referred to in my reply.

Much love!
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,653
21,740
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Oh dear.... I think I may have upset you...because I asked you a question.....I wonder why so many get so very touchy when I ask that question....and turn nasty over it,LOL.

Watch out marks...your mask is slipping...
Ascribing some emotionalism to me won't help anything. Turning to negative personal comments doesn't either. I don't think this discussion edifies.

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Taken

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Sorry, I didn't realize that was the verse you were talking about. I thought you were asking if anyone knew the Spirit was alive, that was the question you posted, and that was the question I referred to in my reply.

Much love!
Never mind....we can all misunderstand what is being said at times....especially when it’s written text..
 

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Ascribing some emotionalism to me won't help anything. Turning to negative personal comments doesn't either. I don't think this discussion edifies.

Much love!
Then you should take a leaf out of your own book then marks.....trying to stir up trouble, by your comment to me..about being “ harsh” on a member...taking sides like a child in the playground.....not edifying marks...are you getting my drift?
 
  • Sad
Reactions: Taken

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,640
13,027
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You gave me no scripture about a Born Again...I gave you plenty of scripture..and it’s not my problem, that you have no spiritual understanding of what God is saying.


No....God did not give man a choice to have their spirit birthed into his..Only the Holy Spirit can do that job...you have no say in the spiritual birth....Spirit gives birth to spirit.

God’s seed births the spirit...that HE chooses to birth...we have no say in the matter.

The Holy Spirit..is paramount in the life of a Born Again ...for it is he who testifies and brings revelation of God’s word, through his Spirit to our spirit..

Man has communion with God through the Holy Spirit...which once again..you don’t understand.

Once again, your own human understanding, as you have no spiritual understanding of how God brings his children to becoming Born Again...like the wind......because “ you” believe you chose God...you try and force your manmade theology onto me....I will rebuke it every time....as I did NOT choose GOD HE CHOSE me..Praise His Holy Name..an Honour and a Privilege That he chose to bring me Alive in the power of his Holy Spirit.



Again severe lack of spiritual understanding...and manmade theology...

Again your opinion...on what or how you believe a person comes to Christ...

Babysitting adults with a child’s mindset wanting others to interpret and answer questions that they do not look to verify, but rather are snarky and arrogant.
Plenty of books stores sell toddler and children’s Bibles.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Ritajanice

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Babysitting adults with a child’s mindset wanting others to interpret and answer questions that they do not look to verify, but rather are snarky and arrogant.
Plenty of books stores sell toddler and children’s Bibles.
Back at ya!!!
 

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,640
13,027
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
God says we are Born Again like the wind....Spirit gives birth to spirit....

The scripture that you post here...is exactly what God is saying..his word that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return to me void..but it shall ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE

Are you understanding..his word will accomplish that which HE PLEASES.......not what you please......his word NEVER returns back to him void.....why....because it’s his will and it’s his living word.....which is Active and mighty powerful......

Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
John 3:8
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”



Hebrews 13:20-21

20 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep,
21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Maybe you need to pray for spiritual understanding as I see none in any of your posts...there is nothing spiritual in your words,imo.

This scripture you post has got nothing to do with being Born Again....it’s your own manmade theology

You piece scripture together and believe it to be saying what you want it to say...regarding the rebirth/ Born Again...therefore I rebuke your theology.

Jesus and Nicodemus
…2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.” 3Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of Godunless he is born again.” 4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”…
Berean Standard Bible · Download

You posting umpteen Scriptures to people who ARE born again, about the need to BECOME born again….serves no purpose.
NOT one person has Disputed being Born Again is Effected by the Power of God, gifted TO a man. :rolleyes:

Your preaching that a man DESIRING to have a relationship with God, TO Become MADE SANCTIFIED…. has no part IN CHOOSING Gods WAY to Become MADE Born Again is ridiculous.

Gods WAY IS His “conditions” for HOW a man CAN receive His Gift Offering of Sanctification….forgiveness…soul Saving….spirit Quickening….AND BEING WITH GOD FOREVER.

Do you NOT know, one on one Relationships require the one AND one to be in Agreement to HAVE a relationship…to BE one WITH the other?





And you were given Scriptures to that point that YOU DENY.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ChristisGod

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
You posting umpteen Scriptures to people who ARE born again, about the need to BECOME born again….serves no purpose.

Neither does you hundreds of posts saying one chooses to be Born of God.
NOT one person has Disputed being Born Again is Effect by the Power of God, gifted TO a man. :rolleyes:

Your preaching that a man DESIRING to have a relationship with God, TO Become MADE SANCTIFIED…. has no part IN CHOOSING Gods WAY to Become MADE Born Again is ridiculous.

You are putting words into my mouth that weren’t said by me........we are being sanctified by the power of the Holy Spirit, who is making us into the image of Jesus....he is the one who works in us and he teaches us to submit to the will of the Father.

Our flesh dies daily....flesh is the old man..our old nature.

Gods WAY IS His “conditions” for HOW a man CAN receive His Gift Offering of Sanctification….forgiveness…soul Saving….spirit Quickening….AND BEING WITH GOD FOREVER.

God’s way is HIS way...on how he chooses to draw people to Jesus and brings them to becoming Born Again by his power.
Do you NOT know, one on one Relationships require the one AND one to be in Agreement to HAVE a relationship…to BE one WITH the other?
What are you talking about.....we are led by the Holy Spirit and as God’s Children , he brings us into a relationship with God and HE prunes us, so we bear “ HIS” fruit.......we have a Living relationship with God through his Spirit....we have been called for his purpose and his plans for our life.
And you were given Scriptures to that point that YOU DENY.
You gave no,Born Again scripture...I gave plenty and you rebuked it.



You said ....CHOOSING Gods WAY to Become MADE Born Again .

Show me where God says...Born Again is “ Established” in us?..you said Born Again was “ established in you” Nowhere in the word of God does it say that.......that is what you taught?

Where on Earth did you get that idea from...it certainly wasn’t from God..?

Show me where God’s word says...Choosing God’s way to Become Born Again...? your manmade words...not God’s word.


...l.said God does the spiritual rebirth, by his power you DO NOT..invite God in to you ......Spirit gives birth to spirit......you play no part in the baptism in the Spirit....and you have produced no scripture to support your own theology...

God draw me to Jesus, God brought me to believe in Jesus, “ I” believed in Jesus.....then I was Baptised in the Spirit...

I did not say, God I invite you in to bring me Alive in your Spirit....God testifies with “ OUR SPIRIT “ that we are his children.

A supernatural act of God from God....
 
Last edited:

JBO

Well-Known Member
Oct 20, 2023
1,324
283
83
85
Prescott, AZ
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I am led by the Holy Spirit to understand the word of God...
Thats just your opinion. And not a very well-founded opinion. In fact you must be about the only person that the Holy Spirit is talking to and leading. So many of your opinions are in complete disagreement when so many others.
 
Last edited:

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Thats just your opinion. And not a very well-founded opinion. In fact you must be about the only person that the Holy Spirit is talking to and leading. So many of your opinions are in complete disagreement when so many others.
@JBO said....So many of your opinions are in complete disagreement when so many others.

Rita says.....there could be 1,000 who disagree with what I say......I don’t go by OPINIONS...that’s of the flesh......?......I go by the word of God.....



Please support your opinion ,using scripture, that a Born Again is not led by the Holy Spirit?.it is the word of God to his Children..Born Again..We walk in the Spirit..because we have been Born Again Of God’s seed..
In Galatians 5:16-18, the Apostle Paul tells us, “So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”


Romans 8:7-9​

Romans 8:7-9 NKJV​

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His






Romans 8
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
Walking by the Spirit
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
(Ephesians 1:3–14)
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
More than Conquerors
(Psalm 44:1–26)
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
Last edited:

Ritajanice

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Mar 9, 2023
6,022
3,969
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Continue @JBO ......??..

2 Corinthians 13:5​

English Standard Version​

5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!


The words examine yourself and test yourself mean essentially the same thing. Some Bible versions have “look carefully at yourself” or “ask yourself.” One way to test yourself is to check for evidence of the Holy Spirit’s work in your life: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control” (Galatians 5:22–23). Jesus confirmed that true prophets of God are recognized by their fruits (Matthew 7:15).



In sanctification, both God and the Christian have specific responsibilities. Paul commands believers to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Philippians 2:12-13). God is the one who does the work of making us more like Christ, and we participate in that work by a life of continually turning away from sin and demonstrating our faith in Christ by obeying God’s commands. The Holy Spirit plays a key role in this process; as we walk in the power of the Spirit we “will not gratify the desires of the flesh” (Galatians 5:16).

Romans 8:14 says:



  • "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God" (Romans 8:14).
Every child of God is led by the Spirit of God. You may not be an apostle. You may not be a preacher or teacher. But if you are a child of God, you are led by the Spirit of God. Will you obey when the Spirit leads you? When you obey the leading of the Holy Spirit, you are walking by the Spirit. When you don't obey the Holy Spirit, you aren't walking by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20​


19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

John 3:7 Context​


4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20​

by Grant Richison | Sep 14, 2002 | 1 Corinthians | 20 comments
Read Introduction to 1 Corinthians

19 “Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.”

6:19
Or do you not know
Paul calls attention to something important by the phrase, “do you not know.” This verse shows why sinning with the body is distinctly different from other sins – immorality defiles the temple of the Holy Spirit, the body of the believer.
that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you,
Paul contrasts the body as the temple of the Holy Spirit with the Temple of Aphrodite at Corinth. The temple is a place of worship. The proprietor of the temple of the body of the believer is the Holy Spirit, “who is in you.” Our bodies, therefore, belong to God and are not for our disposal. They are to be used for the purpose for which God designed them. Before a person becomes a Christian, her body is nothing more than a shack; but at conversion her body becomes a cathedral, a temple.
whom you have from God,
The believer receives the Holy Spirit at the point of salvation (Ephesians 1:13, 14). The Holy Spirit seals his eternal salvation immediately at the point of initial salvation. The word “from” emphasizes the supernatural origin of the indwelling Holy Spirit in us.
and you are not your own?
God owns us and not we ourselves. We have no right to do with our bodies what we wish, for they are not our own.
Romans 14:8, For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
6:20
For you were bought at a price;
Jesus paid the price for our sins at Calvary. His blood was the purchase price. This caused a change in the rights of ownership. The Greek word for “bought” denotes a ransom. Jesus delivered us from our sin by purchasing the price of our sin by shedding His blood. Jesus met all the holy demands of God’s justice by this payment.
Acts 20:28, Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
1 Peter 1:18, …knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit,
Giving God the glory for the ransom for sin is a matter of gratitude and not a matter of obligation.
which are God’s.
God owns the rights to our bodies. That is why we glorify Him with our bodies.
PRINCIPLE:
God is the proprietor of our bodies and therefore owns the rights to our bodies.
APPLICATION:
God does not dwell in an auditorium, but in the body of the believer. A building is not the sanctuary; believers are the sanctuary.
We do not have the right to do with our bodies what we wish. If we borrow our neighbor’s car, we take care not to abuse it. We do not take a chance with someone else’s property. Jesus paid for us as the highest Bidder. Our body is now His, so He says, “Hand it over; it’s mine now.” If we purchase something from the store and wait for the delivery to come, but it never comes, we get agitated about that. We paid for it, so we deserve to get it. “Jesus paid it all, all to Him we owe.” Some of us have never handed over our bodies to the Lord, although we have been Christians for ten years. We have not delivered the goods. Isn’t it about time? God reserves the right to your body.
 
Last edited:

JBO

Well-Known Member
Oct 20, 2023
1,324
283
83
85
Prescott, AZ
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Continue @JBO ......??..

2 Corinthians 13:5​

English Standard Version​

5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!


The words examine yourself and test yourself mean essentially the same thing. Some Bible versions have “look carefully at yourself” or “ask yourself.” One way to test yourself is to check for evidence of the Holy Spirit’s work in your life: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control” (Galatians 5:22–23). Jesus confirmed that true prophets of God are recognized by their fruits (Matthew 7:15).



In sanctification, both God and the Christian have specific responsibilities. Paul commands believers to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Philippians 2:12-13). God is the one who does the work of making us more like Christ, and we participate in that work by a life of continually turning away from sin and demonstrating our faith in Christ by obeying God’s commands. The Holy Spirit plays a key role in this process; as we walk in the power of the Spirit we “will not gratify the desires of the flesh” (Galatians 5:16).

Romans 8:14 says:




Every child of God is led by the Spirit of God. You may not be an apostle. You may not be a preacher or teacher. But if you are a child of God, you are led by the Spirit of God. Will you obey when the Spirit leads you? When you obey the leading of the Holy Spirit, you are walking by the Spirit. When you don't obey the Holy Spirit, you aren't walking by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20​


19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

John 3:7 Context​


4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20​

by Grant Richison | Sep 14, 2002 | 1 Corinthians | 20 comments
Read Introduction to 1 Corinthians

19 “Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.”

6:19
Or do you not know
Paul calls attention to something important by the phrase, “do you not know.” This verse shows why sinning with the body is distinctly different from other sins – immorality defiles the temple of the Holy Spirit, the body of the believer.
that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you,
Paul contrasts the body as the temple of the Holy Spirit with the Temple of Aphrodite at Corinth. The temple is a place of worship. The proprietor of the temple of the body of the believer is the Holy Spirit, “who is in you.” Our bodies, therefore, belong to God and are not for our disposal. They are to be used for the purpose for which God designed them. Before a person becomes a Christian, her body is nothing more than a shack; but at conversion her body becomes a cathedral, a temple.
whom you have from God,
The believer receives the Holy Spirit at the point of salvation (Ephesians 1:13, 14). The Holy Spirit seals his eternal salvation immediately at the point of initial salvation. The word “from” emphasizes the supernatural origin of the indwelling Holy Spirit in us.
and you are not your own?
God owns us and not we ourselves. We have no right to do with our bodies what we wish, for they are not our own.
Romans 14:8, For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
6:20
For you were bought at a price;
Jesus paid the price for our sins at Calvary. His blood was the purchase price. This caused a change in the rights of ownership. The Greek word for “bought” denotes a ransom. Jesus delivered us from our sin by purchasing the price of our sin by shedding His blood. Jesus met all the holy demands of God’s justice by this payment.
Acts 20:28, Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
1 Peter 1:18, …knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit,
Giving God the glory for the ransom for sin is a matter of gratitude and not a matter of obligation.
which are God’s.
God owns the rights to our bodies. That is why we glorify Him with our bodies.
PRINCIPLE:
God is the proprietor of our bodies and therefore owns the rights to our bodies.
APPLICATION:
God does not dwell in an auditorium, but in the body of the believer. A building is not the sanctuary; believers are the sanctuary.
We do not have the right to do with our bodies what we wish. If we borrow our neighbor’s car, we take care not to abuse it. We do not take a chance with someone else’s property. Jesus paid for us as the highest Bidder. Our body is now His, so He says, “Hand it over; it’s mine now.” If we purchase something from the store and wait for the delivery to come, but it never comes, we get agitated about that. We paid for it, so we deserve to get it. “Jesus paid it all, all to Him we owe.” Some of us have never handed over our bodies to the Lord, although we have been Christians for ten years. We have not delivered the goods. Isn’t it about time? God reserves the right to your body.
Just your opinion; and not a very good one at that.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.