Christ's sinless Head with a sinful body?

[Maxim]

Let's take a look at the first one you list... “image.”

Yeah, I already saw it. You're JW or ex-JW. They're all perverts. That's why I already mentioned about this word, they speak the same. Even through it's said in the New Testament that God is Son, Father and Holy Spirit, you pervert everything.
Besides that there are another word "form/shape"(and this directly means physical). Net Testament says Jesus is a physical body of a Father in thr heavens and He's called the Lord God in the Old Testament, God in Isaiah 9:6, and as Lord in the New Testament like 100+ times. I'm not interested in arguing with you.

 

[Peterlag]

Yeah, I already saw it. You're JW or ex-JW. They're all perverts. That's why I already mentioned about this word, they speak the same. Even through it's said in the New Testament that God is Son, Father and Holy Spirit, you pervert everything.
Besides that there are another word "form/shape"(and this directly means physical). Net Testament says Jesus is a physical body of a Father in thr heavens and He's called the Lord God in the Old Testament, God in Isaiah 9:6, and as Lord in the New Testament like 100+ times. I'm not interested in arguing with you.

Would you be so kind to do me a favor? Don't refer to me as a JW or once a JW. That's insulting to me since I believe nothing that they do (based on the little I know about them) nor was I ever with them. And we don't have to argue since I was never talking to you about this in the first place.

 

[Maxim]

Would you be so kind to do me a favor? Don't refer to me as a JW or once a JW. That's insulting to me since I believe nothing that they do (based on the little I know about them) nor was I ever with them. And we don't have to argue since I was never talking to you about this in the first place.

It's only they that pervert Bible like this. Why would you say about "image" like this if I already written about it. In context it's used together with invisible and just means something you can see.
Alright, i won't call you, but did you read my full answer? Did you see, that Jesus is perfect in character and all fullness of Dirty is contained in Him, He doesn't change, without beginning of days, and by His power was created the universe and every creature? Do you understand, that Father doesn't have another body for Himself and it was Jesus, who was in Eden? It was Jesus who spoke with Abraham an Isaiah, when they saw Him. You're not understanding how God can have a Son as a part of Him, but He decided to be like that, so that He can die for us. God Himself can never die, nor can you harm Him, so there's a need for a body to die. If Jesus is just some angel, His death is futile and doesn't mean anything.
Do you understand, that there was a war in the heaven, that Satan blamed God that He's untruthful? And wished to become god himself. Satan said about Him:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:4‭-‬5 KJV

Or like this: no you won't did, but knoweth God that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

In other words he's saying God is hiding something from you. You shouldn't sin (know good and evil) not because you will die, but because He knows that in the day you sin you'll became similar to Him, like a good. This is His huge secret and hidden motive.
Satan is a liar with split tongue and he showed God as a liar.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Genesis 3:6 KJV

And heavens were seduced by him. There comes a war. "Third of the stars have fallen by his tail". And it was Jesus death that's proven him wrong, because He died for us and therefore showed that He(God) loves us and isn't hiding anything from us, but sincere. If he didn't care for His sheep, then He would have fled from suffering like a hireling, being fully human.

John says Jesus isn't a hireling but we're His sheep and He cares for us. Therefore he's not just some angel from heaven, but our Lord forever.

More to that, did you read in Bible that chirch is called a bride for God? And there would be marriage in heaven? God accepts His people forever. (Should I show it to you? Just say, if you don't know it.) But it's Jesus who's called a husband in Gospels at least 3 times. If He's a husband of the church, then of course He's God. (Say, if you don't know, where He's called a husband.)

 

[Peterlag]

It's only they that pervert Bible like this. Why would you say about "image" like this if I already written about it. In context it's used together with invisible and just means something you can see.
Alright, i won't call you, but did you read my full answer? Did you see, that Jesus is perfect in character and all fullness of Dirty is contained in Him, He doesn't change, without beginning of days, and by His power was created the universe and every creature? Do you understand, that Father doesn't have another body for Himself and it was Jesus, who was in Eden? It was Jesus who spoke with Abraham an Isaiah, when they saw Him. You're not understanding how God can have a Son as a part of Him, but He decided to be like that, so that He can die for us. God Himself can never die, nor can you harm Him, so there's a need for a body to die. If Jesus is just some angel, His death is futile and doesn't mean anything.
Do you understand, that there was a war in the heaven, that Satan blamed God that He's untruthful? And wished to become god himself. Satan said about Him:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:4‭-‬5 KJV

Or like this: no you won't did, but knoweth God that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

In other words he's saying God is hiding something from you. You shouldn't sin (know good and evil) not because you will die, but because He knows that in the day you sin you'll became similar to Him, like a good. This is His huge secret and hidden motive.
Satan is a liar with split tongue and he showed God as a liar.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Genesis 3:6 KJV

And heavens were seduced by him. There comes a war. "Third of the stars have fallen by his tail". And it was Jesus death that's proven him wrong, because He died for us and therefore showed that He(God) loves us and isn't hiding anything from us, but sincere. If he didn't care for His sheep, then He would have fled from suffering like a hireling, being fully human.

John says Jesus isn't a hireling but we're His sheep and He cares for us. Therefore he's not just some angel from heaven, but our Lord forever.

More to that, did you read in Bible that chirch is called a bride for God? And there would be marriage in heaven? God accepts His people forever. (Should I show it to you? Just say, if you don't know it.) But it's Jesus who's called a husband in Gospels at least 3 times. If He's a husband of the church, then of course He's God. (Say, if you don't know, where He's called a husband.)

There are a few groups that have been around for a while that do not see the Scriptures the way you do. I just found one on YouTube that I never heard about before and I listened to a few of their videos and found them pretty good. I posted one below not for you to listen to. But for you to just see who they are and that they are not JW. Most if not all of our translators were trinity guys and when guys like me come along and straighten out what they translated I'm accused of changing the Bible or not accepting what is written.

 

[Maxim]

There are a few groups that have been around for a while that do not see the Scriptures the way you do. I just found one on YouTube that I never heard about before and I listened to a few of their videos and found them pretty good. I posted one below not for you to listen to. But for you to just see who they are and that they are not JW. Most if not all of our translators were trinity guys and when guys like me come along and straighten out what they translated I'm accused of changing the Bible or not accepting what is written.

You're accused justifiably. It came from JWs, who are perverts. Whatever I said to you I've shown it on the Bible. You said Jesus wasn't called God anywhere and I've proven you otherwise.
Even through your words of "image" it's clear they repeating after JWs, just without other bad things. I wonder if they do communion(bread and wine), maybe still yes, but not for long. I wonder If they call themselves Church, I think not for long as well.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:1‭-‬2 KJV

Believe whatever you want.

 

[Peterlag]

You're accused justifiably. It came from JWs, who are perverts. Whatever I said to you I've shown it on the Bible. You said Jesus wasn't called God anywhere and I've proven you otherwise.
Even through your words of "image" it's clear they repeating after JWs, just without other bad things. I wonder if they do communion(bread and wine), maybe still yes, but not for long. I wonder If they call themselves Church, I think not for long as well.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:1‭-‬2 KJV

Believe whatever you want.

You did not show by Scripture that Jesus was called God. And when I showed you that is not what that verse says. You then said okay I'm done here. There are many that say John 10:33 for sure says Jesus is God. And then guys like me come along and say this...

John 10:33
Had the translators rendered the Greek text in verse 33 as they did in verse 34 and 35, then it would read, "...you, a man, claim to be a god." In the next two verses, John 10:34 and 35, the exact same word (theos, without the article) is translated as "god" and not "God." In Acts 12:22, Herod is called theos without the article, so the translators translate it "god." The same is true in Acts 28:6, when Paul had been bitten by a viper and the people expected him to die. When he did not die, "...they changed their minds and said he was a god." Since theos has no article, and since it is clear from the context that the reference is not about the true God, theos is translated "a god." It is a general principle that theos without the article should be "a god," or "divine." Since there is no evidence that Jesus was teaching that he was God anywhere in the context, and since the Pharisees would have never believed that this man was somehow Yahweh, it makes no sense that they would be saying that he said he was "God." Now since Jesus was clearly teaching that he was sent by God and was doing God's work. Thus, it makes perfect sense that the Pharisees would say he was claiming to be "a god" or "divine."

 

[Maxim]

You did not show by Scripture that Jesus was called God. And when I showed you that is not what that verse says. You then said okay I'm done here. There are many that say John 10:33 for sure says Jesus is God. And then guys like me come along and say this...

John 10:33
Had the translators rendered the Greek text in verse 33 as they did in verse 34 and 35, then it would read, "...you, a man, claim to be a god." In the next two verses, John 10:34 and 35, the exact same word (theos, without the article) is translated as "god" and not "God." In Acts 12:22, Herod is called theos without the article, so the translators translate it "god." The same is true in Acts 28:6, when Paul had been bitten by a viper and the people expected him to die. When he did not die, "...they changed their minds and said he was a god." Since theos has no article, and since it is clear from the context that the reference is not about the true God, theos is translated "a god." It is a general principle that theos without the article should be "a god," or "divine." Since there is no evidence that Jesus was teaching that he was God anywhere in the context, and since the Pharisees would have never believed that this man was somehow Yahweh, it makes no sense that they would be saying that he said he was "God." Now since Jesus was clearly teaching that he was sent by God and was doing God's work. Thus, it makes perfect sense that the Pharisees would say he was claiming to be "a god" or "divine."

You've got me confused with someone else. I said Isaiah 9:6 and the Lord God in Genesis. Have you ever read any of it? Tell me who was it in Genesis walking in the cool of the day, when NT says Father is invisible, and Jesus is a physical body of Father? Aren't you're pervert already like JWs? All you said to me is let's look what word image means...

 

[Peterlag]

You've got me confused with someone else. I said Isaiah 9:6 and the Lord God in Genesis. Have you ever read any of it? Tell me who was it in Genesis walking in the cool of the day, when NT says Father is invisible, and Jesus is a physical body of Father? Aren't you're pervert already like JWs? All you said to me is let's look what word image means...

I don't have you confused with someone else. I'm just showing how Scripture may not be what some say it is when one digs deeper and I used John as an example. I can also comment on Isaiah 9:6.

 

[Maxim]

I don't have you confused with someone else. I'm just showing how Scripture may not be what some say it is when one digs deeper and I used John as an example. I can also comment on Isaiah 9:6.

You did not show by Scripture that Jesus was called God. And when I showed you that is not what that verse says. You then said okay I'm done here.

Nope, you clearly confused me with someone else. Where you showed me something and where I said I'm done here. I showed you where He's called the Lord God and you're just changing the theme every time. I can comment on Isaiah 9:6 as well, I know how JWs deny it.

 

[Maxim]

Tell me who was it in Genesis walking in the cool of the day, when NT says Father is invisible, and Jesus is a physical body of Father?

I don't have you confused with someone else. I'm just showing how Scripture may not be what some say it is when one digs deeper and I used John as an example. I can also comment on Isaiah 9:6.

Let us dig deeper, then.

Your words about image doesn't deny even single of my words. I didn't say that He's called God in that verse. You said it's a good place to say about it, but it wasn't said, therefore He's not God, but this place simply tells us that He's an image of invisible God — God is invisible, but Son is a physical body (or whatever else) which we can see.
If you don't understand it, there's another word "form":

who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 KJV

Look at how it's used, first, form of God, then form of a servant. The Greek word morphe here means "form", "shape", "appearance". Whatever you use He's at least appearance of God. (You can check it here Philippians 2:6 Interlinear: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God, )

And this appearance is called the Lord God in Genesis.

Do you have problems with logic? Or do you have problems with understanding English? Is it so hard to understand?

Or do you think that place in Genesis was translated wrongly as well? I'm happy to disappoint you literally it's written Yahweh Elohim. Yahweh is the only name of the God and Elohim literally means God. Genesis 3:8 Interlinear: And they hear the sound of Jehovah God walking up and down in the garden at the breeze of the day, and the man and his wife hide themselves from the face of Jehovah God in the midst of the trees of the garden.

And if you look at other similarities between Jesus and God, which I listed, then it's obvious They're one. And NT says that They're one. Besides those, it's said in OT that God will judge His people, but NT says Father doesn't even judge anyone anymore, but Son will do it.

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:22‭-‬23 KJV

 

[Maxim]

Had the translators rendered the Greek text in verse 33 as they did in verse 34 and 35, then it would read, "...you, a man, claim to be a god." In the next two verses, John 10:34 and 35, the exact same word (theos, without the article) is translated as "god" and not "God."

They're without article indeed. There's more without article. 1 Thessalonians 2:5 Interlinear: for at no time did we come with speech of flattery, (as ye have known,) nor in a pretext for covetousness, (God is witness!)
It's written there "God is witness".

In the verses you said they meant God anyway. It's only depending on context, that they write god or God.

Here's more without an article. John 20:17 Interlinear: Jesus saith to her, 'Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'
It says "my God and your God".
Whereas almost the same expression "thy God" is with article in Hebrew 1:9. Hebrews 1:9 Interlinear: thou didst love righteousness, and didst hate lawlessness; because of this did He anoint thee -- God, thy God -- with oil of gladness above thy partners;'

Gods with an article.

Acts 14:11 Interlinear: and the multitudes having seen what Paul did, did lift up their voice, in the speech of Lycaonia, saying, 'The gods, having become like men, did come down unto us;'

So your theory about what article means is wrong.

 

[Peterlag]

They're without article indeed. There's more without article. 1 Thessalonians 2:5 Interlinear: for at no time did we come with speech of flattery, (as ye have known,) nor in a pretext for covetousness, (God is witness!)
It's written there "God is witness".

In the verses you said they meant God anyway. It's only depending on context, that they write god or God.

Here's more without an article. John 20:17 Interlinear: Jesus saith to her, 'Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'
It says "my God and your God".
Whereas almost the same expression "thy God" is with article in Hebrew 1:9. Hebrews 1:9 Interlinear: thou didst love righteousness, and didst hate lawlessness; because of this did He anoint thee -- God, thy God -- with oil of gladness above thy partners;'

Gods with an article.

Acts 14:11 Interlinear: and the multitudes having seen what Paul did, did lift up their voice, in the speech of Lycaonia, saying, 'The gods, having become like men, did come down unto us;'

So your theory about what article means is wrong.

I never said that there were not more without an article. I said since theos has no article, and since it is clear from the context that the reference is not about the true God, theos is translated "a god." It is a general principle that theos without the article should be "a god," or "divine." Since there is no evidence that Jesus was teaching that he was God anywhere in the context, and since the Pharisees would have never believed that this man was somehow Yahweh, it makes no sense that they would be saying that he said he was "God." Now since Jesus was clearly teaching that he was sent by God and was doing God's work. Thus, it makes perfect sense that the Pharisees would say he was claiming to be "a god" or "divine."

 

[Maxim]

I never said that there were not more without an article. I said since theos has no article, and since it is clear from the context that the reference is not about the true God, theos is translated "a god." It is a general principle that theos without the article should be "a god," or "divine." Since there is no evidence that Jesus was teaching that he was God anywhere in the context, and since the Pharisees would have never believed that this man was somehow Yahweh, it makes no sense that they would be saying that he said he was "God." Now since Jesus was clearly teaching that he was sent by God and was doing God's work. Thus, it makes perfect sense that the Pharisees would say he was claiming to be "a god" or "divine."

First of all He didn't claim to be a god or divine or God. And they wanted to kill him, because by saying He's the Son of God he was making Himself equal to the God they believe in.

Second, you pervert, who was in Eden walking in the cool of the day, when NT says God is invisible and Christ is an image of Him?

 

[Peterlag]

First of all He didn't claim to be a god or divine or God. And they wanted to kill him, because by saying He's the Son of God he was making Himself equal to the God they believe in.

Second, you pervert, who was in Eden walking in the cool of the day, when NT says God is invisible and Christ is an image of Him?

First of all He didn't claim to be a god or divine or God. And they wanted to kill him, because by saying He's the Son of God he was making Himself equal to the God they believe in. We agree here.

Second it says God. Not Jesus. So we can't assume. God could have taken on a form or made it seem like there was a form or it could be a figure of speech. There are many figures in the Bible. Another point is Jesus did not get a body until his mother Mary gave him one. And that was many years after God was walking in the garden.

 

[Lizbeth]

Romans 7:17 KJV
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

This gives the answer.

And this,

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Romans 6:6-11 KJV
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We are in Christ, and in Christ is no sin. Sin lives in our flesh, and we have been born again of the Spirit of God, and are immersed into Christ. We now have the power to control our flesh, as God continues to train us and form us in serving His will by our love for others.

Romans 7:17 KJV
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

What makes this such a key passage is that it shows something changed, ". . . it is no more I . . .", and indicates what that change was, no more I that do it, that is, sin, but sin that lives in me. And he goes on, there is nothing good in me, that is, in my flesh.

We are born again in the spirit, created in righteousness and true holiness, and have been hid with Christ in God, and in Him is no sin.

Much love!

Amen. Spiritual reality trumps the facts on the ground. Therefore it is by faith not necessarily by sight. We are to pray "Thy will be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN". Kind of like how the devil was defeated at the cross, yet we still see him up to no good and coming to steal, kill and destroy. Scripture says all things HAVE been put under the feet of Christ, yet we do not yet SEE all things put under. There is a fight of faith to fight in enforcing, so to speak, Christ's rule and victory.

 

[Lizbeth]

The Bible declares there is no sin in the man Christ Jesus, which must include His own body members, else the Head be separated from His body, and His body be decapitated from the Head.

The Christian gospel of unrepented sinners with a Christ whose body is full of sinful members, is a gospel separated the sinless Head Jesus Christ.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Such Christian sinners that say they shall have, or must have, or it is impossible not to have sin in them, also have for themselves a gospel and head, that is more than glad to have sin in him and his own body.

I say, let's dispense with all the doctrinal airs and say it like it is: There is no sin in the man Christ Jesus, which includes His own body.

That is not only a Biblical fact, but a huge duh! for any sensible person, that does not believe in headless bodies nor horsemen. Nor in a Frankenstein monster with a different head sewn onto another body.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,

This is not talking about sinful members of a body on earth, that is separated by sin from the sinless Head in heaven, until resurrected into that Head Christ Jesus after the grave.

The man and Head Christ Jesus has His body of His flesh and of His bones, whose only members are repented Christian saints. Only them that now have the sins of the world washed and taken away from our hearts and lives, are members of the body of Jesus Christ, in whom is no sin.

Some Christians also preach that being sons of God pure and newborn as His Son Jesus, with all things now being of God, and nothing of sin and Satan remaining in them, does not happen until after the grave.

Unfortunately then, in the Bible there is no repenting of sinning granted in the grave, but only judgment of our works we lived by unto the end.

If Christians sinners want to prophecy their own fate of sinful dead works unto death, and in the meantime congregate as sinful members of a body of sin on earth, then that is their right as free will creatures created by God.

But claiming to also be sinful members of the sinless Head Jesus Christ, in whom is no sin, makes no sense on earth, whether spiritual or religious. The Spirit of Christ and of the truth of God, is not dysfunctionally operating Jesus' way sinlessly in the mind and Head of Christ, while operating the world's way sinfully in His own body members.

The Head Jesus Christ having no sin does not have a worldly body with sin. The only head for a sinful worldly body is the head of this world, that does certainly have sin in him.

We have been and are being sanctified by the Blood and by the presence of Christ's spirit taking up residence in these earthen (dirty and weak) vessels of ours.

But the bible warns that if we keep on wilfully sinning after coming to knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for such sins. Such sins should never once be named among us. But if we occasionally sin 'smaller' sins inadvertently due to our weak humanity such sins may be graciously overlooked, passed over (Passover, anyone?) and longsuffered by God of those who belong to Him. I mean even we humans overlook certain issues or problems with people we know and care about. Everyone has character flaws that might come to the surface now and then and that the individual themself often isn't even aware of. I've never met a truly "perfect" Christian, in the narrow literal sense of that word. This is why is that we are told to bear with one another in love, and to bear with the weak. (There are times we even have to bear with ourselves and our own shortcomings and weakness that we wish we didn't have, and it is humbling to have them.)

God HAS given us the land of promise into our hands, as He told the Israelites.........but like those early Israelites we still need to do battle to take the ground little by little, in the wisdom of our wise God. Such struggles are necessary and good for us....as I'm sure most of us have heard how butterflies need the physical struggle to get out of the cocoon in order to be able to fly - the struggle squeezes lifeblood into their wings. Beautiful analogy there in my opinion.

So it seems there is the reality of a "yes but not yet" factor in the Christian life to be considered.

 

[Maxim]

First of all He didn't claim to be a god or divine or God. And they wanted to kill him, because by saying He's the Son of God he was making Himself equal to the God they believe in. We agree here.

Second it says God. Not Jesus. So we can't assume. God could have taken on a form or made it seem like there was a form or it could be a figure of speech. There are many figures in the Bible. Another point is Jesus did not get a body until his mother Mary gave him one. And that was many years after God was walking in the garden.

Christ is firstborn of every creature. Before Abraham was, He was already. After He died and resurrected in Revelation He's described completely different from human, so He could have been in another form in Eden as well, not as human, if you don't like it.

Additionally NT says:
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:18 KJV
... which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of Lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Timothy 6:15‭-‬16 KJV

It's said no man has ever seen God, so He didn't create any temporary body like you said, but it was Jesus. No man has ever seen God the Father, Jesus has shown Him to us. It's written that he walked in the cool of the day, not just walked. They've hidden themselves from Him, and later it's written He made them a clothing from animal skin and dressed them up, so it's not some expression. If you read just OT then God definitely has an image, because Isaiah saw Him as well(Isaiah 6:1), He spoke with Moses, and Abraham was talking with Him like with human and He was already in human form (Genesis 18:1, 13-14, 17). And NT says this image is Jesus, because NT says no man has ever seen God (Father), and can't see and He's invisible.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Carnal minded Christians teach a sin nature of man, such as lust and sin lurking around in the tissues and blood pump.

The sin nature is the carnal mind. You fail to understand what sarx means. Everyone is born with a physical body, (but this is not entirely the complete definition of sarx). The carnal mind is not the brain.
God has a mind with thoughts, feelings and will, but no physical body.
The mind uses the brain to function in this physical body, but it is not physical. You cannot dissect a brains and see thoughts, love, hate, memories. A thought is invisible, then the mind uses the chemicals of the brain to send messages to the body. It is highly integrated. So an unbeliever is a living soul which not only body, but with mind, emotions, will, your personality includes talents, etc. This entire being is sarx, the Flesh.
It's nature is corrupt. Its spirit (also a part of the crearure is dead, not functioning), therefore needs to be transformed.
This is clearly why the Bible teaches that we are render our old self dead. Obviously, our physical bodies are not dead, so it is notreferrinf to our bodies. It is referring to our old nature: sinful thoughts, feelings, desires, will, etc). We are to live, walk in the Spirit, not the flesh.
Again, thus is not talking about physical walking with you legs. Your carnal mind ( old self that you are to render dead) is separate from your spiritual mind ( your new creature, which has been transformed and is growing. You have heard the phrase double-minded. Well, some Christians fall back into their old bad habits ( thinking , desires, feelings( which are then manifest into physical actions.

All sin and righteousness are only spiritual in nature

Wrong, see above explanation.

Some Christians that teach this sin in the flesh stuff, try to exempt Jesus' own body from being like that of all sinful men.

Wrong, see above explanation

And so they must disbelieve that Jesus' body was made of the seed of David and Abraham in the womb of Mary.

Jesus is God in the flesh. His soul and spirit were pure at birth and remained pure.

Exactly, This is why He had no sin nature inherited from David nor Abraham, because there is no such thing.

Angels and men only become sinners by sinning.

He had no sin nature because He is God.

So, it's not just me. I thought I was losing my mind.

No, you just did not get the right teaching of what sarx is from the start. This is advanced stuff, not easy to get. The human is fearfuly made. The intricacies of beyond comprehension really: Mind, body, soul and spirit - highly integrated and really above our comprehension. We are just given the basics.
The WORD IS sharper then a two-edged sword able to divide soul and spirit. If they were the same, you could not divide them! And so when you die, you will be separated from the old sarx.

 

[Peterlag]

Christ is firstborn of every creature. Before Abraham was, He was already. After He died and resurrected in Revelation He's described completely different from human, so He could have been in another form in Eden as well, not as human, if you don't like it.

Additionally NT says:
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:18 KJV
... which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of Lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Timothy 6:15‭-‬16 KJV

It's said no man has ever seen God, so He didn't create any temporary body like you said, but it was Jesus. No man has ever seen God the Father, Jesus has shown Him to us. It's written that he walked in the cool of the day, not just walked. They've hidden themselves from Him, and later it's written He made them a clothing from animal skin and dressed them up, so it's not some expression. If you read just OT then God definitely has an image, because Isaiah saw Him as well(Isaiah 6:1), He spoke with Moses, and Abraham was talking with Him like with human and He was already in human form (Genesis 18:1, 13-14, 17). And NT says this image is Jesus, because NT says no man has ever seen God (Father), and can't see and He's invisible.

You mentioned "Before Abraham was," Here's how I see John 8:58...

My point on all of this is I don't believe the Bible teaches anywhere that Jesus is God because he is not. And you believe that there are verses that say Jesus is God and every verse that you mention I see it different. Like this one. There is no teaching anywhere in the Bible be it Old or New Testament that says Jesus is God. Only verses that are scattered all over the Bible that I see different.

At the last super, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said literally, "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating oneself and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham, Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am." The Hebrew phrase in Exodus means "to be" or "to become." God was saying "I will be what I will be."

 

[Maxim]

Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man.

Man, you really are a pervert. Bible literally says He's firstborn and everything is created through Him and for Him. I already citated it.