How Evil Are Humans?

[Jack]

You're right there is not one single Gentile Christian called Israel! However every Gentile of faith with Jews of faith are called "the Israel of God." One is an ethnic people, the other all people of faith.

Guess where Jesus will return. It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible. Christians are NOT Israel!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: How evil are humans?

God Says:

"An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin."​

(Proverbs 21:4)​

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"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..."​

(Isaiah 64:6a)​

Amen.

 

[Peterlag]

You're right there is not one single Gentile Christian called Israel! However every Gentile of faith with Jews of faith are called "the Israel of God." One is an ethnic people, the other all people of faith.

I never read the words "Gentile Christian" in the Bible.

 

[Marty fox]

Trying to STEAL Israel's identity is not disrespectful and unethical? You're not Israel!

So once again avoiding my replies

I am not claiming to be ethnic Israel I am claiming my spiritual promise from Christ

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

I am not a son of literal Jerusalem I am the son of the Jerusalem from above I am a part of true Israel I am apart of “all Israel“

 

[Marty fox]

You're right there is not one single Gentile Christian called Israel! However every Gentile of faith with Jews of faith are called "the Israel of God." One is an ethnic people, the other all people of faith.

Amen

 

[Jack]

So once again avoiding my replies

I am not claiming to be ethnic Israel I am claiming my spiritual promise from Christ

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

I am not a son of literal Jerusalem I am the son of the Jerusalem from above I am a part of true Israel I am apart of “all Israel“

So once again avoiding my replies

I am not claiming to be ethnic Israel I am claiming my spiritual promise from Christ

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

I am not a son of literal Jerusalem I am the son of the Jerusalem from above I am a part of true Israel I am apart of “all Israel“

Did you just say that you are "true Israel"?

 

[covenantee]

Trying to STEAL Israel's identity is not disrespectful and unethical? You're not Israel!

What is Israel's identity?

Does it bring them salvation in Christ?

 

[Jack]

What is Israel's identity?

Get a map. It's called Israel. You're not Israel.

Does it bring them salvation in Christ?

Israel is MUCH better off than the Israel wannabees whom Moses said are CURSED!

 

[covenantee]

Get a map. It's called Israel. You're not Israel.

Israel is MUCH better off than the Israel wannabees whom Moses said are CURSED!

A map doesn't have an identity. Only people do.

If Israel's identity does not lead it to salvation in Christ, then it is bound for hell.

 

[Jack]

A map doesn't have an identity. Only people do.

You can't see TINY Israel on the map?

If Israel's identity does not lead it to salvation in Christ, then it is bound for hell.

How about the Israel wannabee thieves?

 

[covenantee]

You can't see TINY Israel on the map?

How about the Israel wannabee thieves?

You continue to defend antichrists bound for hell.

Whose is your identity?

 

[Timtofly]

To clarify, while the concept of "children of promise" is present in Paul's argument in Romans 9, it is not the main point he is trying to make. A quick overview of the first six verses of the chapter shows that his argument is entirely different. Therefore, it is safe to say that Paul did not set out to make that specific point in Romans 9.

This is the correct interpretational path, as Paul then clarifies the seed God chose in Isaac. In fact God was contrasting Abraham's choice with God's choice. Abraham's choice produced the point:

"Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called."

Abraham's choice produced Ishmael, but God's choice was Isaac. Then God's choice was Jacob instead of Isaac's choice, Esau.

"(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

God had already promised Isaac, but Abraham and Sarah did not wait for God, but had Ishmael in the decision of the flesh. So before twins were born, God already had declared His choice would be Jacob over Esau.

I don't know how any one can insert the Gentile aspect into these verses, as the Gentiles, if they did come from Israel would be through Joseph.

Even after including the Gentiles, Paul still quotes Isaiah and the point:

"Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:"

So even if those of Israel number as the sands of the sea, most will not be Israel except the remnant that is redeemed.

 

[Jack]

You continue to defend antichrists bound for hell.

Then why are you an Israel wannabee? lol!!!

 

[covenantee]

Then why are you an Israel wannabee? lol!!!

Why would anyone whose identity is in Christ want to steal the identity of antichrist?

 

[Jack]

Why would anyone whose identity is in Christ want to steal the identity of antichrist?

Why aren't you in Israel, the Land of the Bible? You don't have a clue!

 

[Marty fox]

Did you just say that you are "true Israel"?

Yes not a part of literal ethnic Israel but true Israel spiritual Israel the church made up of both Jew and gentile believers

I just posted Paul telling gentile Christians that they are the children of the spiritual Jerusalem from above thus they are spiritual Israel

 

[covenantee]

Why aren't you in Israel, the Land of the Bible? You don't have a clue!

I don't want to be among antichrists.

Why aren't you there? Wouldn't you enjoy the company of antichrists?

 

[Jack]

Yes not a part of literal ethnic Israel

BINGO!!!

 

[Jack]

I don't want to be among antichrists.

Why aren't you there?

You don't even know where Jesus will return! It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible, Capital Jerusalem!

 

[covenantee]

You don't even know where Jesus will return! It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible, Capital Jerusalem!

Why aren't you there? Wouldn't you enjoy being among antichrists?