Where did Jesus go when he died?

[Jack]

All i can testify is, it's in a different spiritual dimension.

Because they were too sons of GOD, but in Heaven (Genesis 6:2&4)

Fallen spirits or angels (Hebrews 1:13&14)

Who are these?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Fred J]

Readers, please be aware of false prophets, tq

Who are these?

Again, they are the fallen spirits during Noah's time (1 Peter 3:19)

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels

This quote is the judgement day on believers and not spirits. About believers who've served unknowingly, but correctly done as the Lord pleased. And, about believers who've served knowingly, but wrongly done as the Lord displeases.

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Apparently, this judgement is on the devil, anti-Christ and the false prophet with him, and no mention of spirits.

Jack is merely blowing his own trumpet here.

 

[Jack]

Readers, please be aware of false prophets, tq

You're a prophet?

Again, they are the fallen spirits during Noah's time (1 Peter 3:19)

So you think Jesus preached salvation to them? Are you a Universalist?

This quote is the judgement day on believers and not spirits. About believers who've served unknowingly, but correctly done as the Lord pleased. And, about believers who've served knowingly, but wrongly done as the Lord displeases.

Apparently, this judgement is on the devil, anti-Christ and the false prophet with him, and no mention of spirits.

And people!

Jack is merely blowing his own trumpet here.

You already admitted that Jesus is God the Creator. Now you resort to personal attack!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

One moment you say, He did not visit the angelic beings. And then, he announced judgement to the angels. Finally, they were those angels bound in chains awaiting the lake of fire.

To an inconsistent testimony, how can furthermore testament be tangible to take note of?

Nevertheless, you say CHRIST announced judgement on these angels to lake of fire. But i bear witness in context to verse 18, and testify CHRIST announced redemption to the angels as well.

No I did not say He preached to angels, I said He [reached to the souls of those who had died-people not angels.

 

[quietthinker]

Where did Jesus go when he died?​

He was unable so they put him in a tomb

 

[Fred J]

No I did not say He preached to angels, I said He [reached to the souls of those who had died-people not angels.

Again, your testimony Ronald, referring to souls, but verse 19, is referring to spirits, not tangible.

Hebrews 1:13&14, angels are referred to as ministering spirits. The spirits who disobeyed GOD during Noah's time, who left their designated position in Heaven. And, out of their lust came down to earth and married the daughters of man, any they chose.

Angels who are ministering spirits are of the Heavenly realm. And living souls humans, are of the earthly realm.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Again, your testimony Ronald, referring to souls, but verse 19, is referring to spirits, not tangible.

Hebrews 1:13&14, angels are referred to as ministering spirits. The spirits who disobeyed GOD during Noah's time, who left their designated position in Heaven. And, out of their lust came down to earth and married the daughters of man, any they chose.

Angels who are ministering spirits are of the Heavenly realm. And living souls humans, are of the earthly realm.

Well this is an argument that has been ongoing for centuries. However if we keep that verse in its context:

1 Peter 3:18-22

King James Version

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18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

The argument for them being people and not angelic beings is very very powerful.

Jesus did not shed His blood to forgive angels but men.

 

[ScottA]

So, where did Jesus go when he died? Simple answer: Jesus didn’t go anywhere when he died. He was dead in the tomb.

We read in Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus “poured out His soul unto death,” that His soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12, 10.) Then again we read, “Thou wilt not leave my soul in Sheol [meaning the grave (sometimes mistranslated hell)]; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Psalm 16:10.) The Apostle Peter quoted this same prophesy in Acts 2:27 (NKJV), “For You will not leave my (Jesus’) soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption,” Acts 2:27 (NKJV). These two verses prove the equivalency that sheol (Hebrew) = hades (Greek). But what is the condition of death or sheol or hades?

Jesus’ friend, Lazarus, was ill. Jesus said to his disciples, “‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well,’” John 11:11,12 (NKJV). Jesus finally spoke plainly, and said, “ Lazarus is dead,” John 11:14.

The sleep of death is explained in the Old Testament, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in the grave (Sheol) where you are going,” Ecclesiastes 9:10. Jesus was in the grave, in the “sleep of death,” (sheol or hades) parts of three days.

It states in Ephesians 1:20 that it took God’s mighty power to raise Jesus from the dead, and set him at His own right hand. What a joy to know that Jesus did not remain in the death-state but was raised the firstborn from the dead. Because of this, we all have the hope of a resurrection in due time. (John 5:25-29; 1 Corinthians 15)

In summary, the man Christ Jesus, our Savior, died at 33½ years, was dead, buried in the grave for parts of three days, and was resurrected on the third day.

There is more to Jesus' death and resurrection than meets the eye (or than has formerly been understood).

The key of which was eluded to when Jesus said, "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day"...which is the finish of "take, eat, this is May body" referring to His body the church to whom He gave His body that they/we should be One.

Thus, to answer the Original Post question of "Where did Jesus go when he died?-- He first committed [only] His spirit to the Father...then rose His body which is the Church, up the last/third day. Then, after forty days (the days of tribulations) they/we ascended together as One.

 

[TheHC]

So, where did Jesus go when he died? Simple answer: Jesus didn’t go anywhere when he died. He was dead in the tomb.

We read in Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus “poured out His soul unto death,” that His soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12, 10.) Then again we read, “Thou wilt not leave my soul in Sheol [meaning the grave (sometimes mistranslated hell)]; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Psalm 16:10.) The Apostle Peter quoted this same prophesy in Acts 2:27 (NKJV), “For You will not leave my (Jesus’) soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption,” Acts 2:27 (NKJV). These two verses prove the equivalency that sheol (Hebrew) = hades (Greek). But what is the condition of death or sheol or hades?

Jesus’ friend, Lazarus, was ill. Jesus said to his disciples, “‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well,’” John 11:11,12 (NKJV). Jesus finally spoke plainly, and said, “ Lazarus is dead,” John 11:14.

The sleep of death is explained in the Old Testament, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in the grave (Sheol) where you are going,” Ecclesiastes 9:10. Jesus was in the grave, in the “sleep of death,” (sheol or hades) parts of three days.

It states in Ephesians 1:20 that it took God’s mighty power to raise Jesus from the dead, and set him at His own right hand. What a joy to know that Jesus did not remain in the death-state but was raised the firstborn from the dead. Because of this, we all have the hope of a resurrection in due time. (John 5:25-29; 1 Corinthians 15)

In summary, the man Christ Jesus, our Savior, died at 33½ years, was dead, buried in the grave for parts of three days, and was resurrected on the third day.

Fine explanation! Your interpretation is in harmony with all other Scriptures.

But the majority in Christendom haven’t been taught these truths…. They think the dead are ‘living in another realm.’

Such a view totally negates the need for a resurrection, for it the dead are truly alive somewhere, there’s no need to bring them back to life.

Understanding that the dead are “sleeping” (John 11:11-14), that they are “aware of nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5), helps explain why a God who “is love” (1 John 4:8) could have children killed.

These ones are simply ‘sleeping in death,’ until the Resurrection comes.

Really, to claim those who were condemned to death by God, are still living (and suffering), makes God a heinous fiend.

Of course, mainstream Christendom has been maligning God that way for centuries, with their appalling hellfire doctrine.

But accepting the Bible’s words describing death as an unawareness, a sleep-like condition, removes that stigma / worry.

 

[rwb]

Fine explanation! Your interpretation is in harmony with all other Scriptures.

But the majority in Christendom haven’t been taught these truths…. They think the dead are ‘living in another realm.’

Such a view totally negates the need for a resurrection, for it the dead are truly alive somewhere, there’s no need to bring them back to life.

Understanding that the dead are “sleeping” (John 11:11-14), that they are “aware of nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5), helps explain why a God who “is love” (1 John 4:8) could have children killed.

These ones are simply ‘sleeping in death,’ until the Resurrection comes.

Really, to claim those who were condemned to death by God, are still living (and suffering), makes God a heinous fiend.

Of course, mainstream Christendom has been maligning God that way for centuries, with their appalling hellfire doctrine.

But accepting the Bible’s words describing death as an unawareness, a sleep-like condition, removes that stigma / worry.

To fully understand death, we have to remember that humans are complete living souls. Mankind consists of more than a body of flesh & bone. Man, being created a living soul is composed of both body of flesh and spirit (breath of life). When the human body dies, just as Christ's body died, our spirit returns to God, just as the spirit of Christ did.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

When our spirit returns to God, who gave it, our spirit will (1) continue to be a living soul without physical form (2) return to God in darkness and unbelief. That is why Christ says "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." Christ would not say believers shall never die if death of our body meant our spirit would also die with our physical body. The only part of mankind of faith in Christ that has ceased to have any life at all is out outer body. The only DEAD who know nothing and are therefore altogether without life are those who die in unbelief. The spirit (breath of life) in them will not give their mortal body life again until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. Then they shall be resurrected a mortal body of flesh & bone to stand before the judgment throne of God and judged according to what is written in the books and the book of life. Then because their names are not found written in the book of life, they will be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death.

Unless we understand the promise of eternal life, is truly what Christ says it is, that believers shall NEVER DIE, we will never understand that our body that does die is NOT that which gives life to man. The eternal life we have in Christ comes from the Spirit of Christ in our spirit, and we have Christ's promise that the Spirit that gives us eternal life shall never leave us, but shall be with us when our body is resurrected immortal & incorruptible and reunited with our eternal spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Fine explanation! Your interpretation is in harmony with all other Scriptures.

But the majority in Christendom haven’t been taught these truths…. They think the dead are ‘living in another realm.’

Such a view totally negates the need for a resurrection, for it the dead are truly alive somewhere, there’s no need to bring them back to life.

Understanding that the dead are “sleeping” (John 11:11-14), that they are “aware of nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5), helps explain why a God who “is love” (1 John 4:8) could have children killed.

These ones are simply ‘sleeping in death,’ until the Resurrection comes.

Really, to claim those who were condemned to death by God, are still living (and suffering), makes God a heinous fiend.

Of course, mainstream Christendom has been maligning God that way for centuries, with their appalling hellfire doctrine.

But accepting the Bible’s words describing death as an unawareness, a sleep-like condition, removes that stigma / worry.

Well the body sleeps but the soul of man remains alive as is told in the NT. Jesus told the account o Lazarus and the rich man, which the place of torments and Abrahams bosom was well known and accepted in Israel. Paul told us when we are absent from the body (showing man is more than just a body) we are present with the Lord.

 

[setst777]

So, where did Jesus go when he died? Simple answer: Jesus didn’t go anywhere when he died. He was dead in the tomb.

We read in Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus “poured out His soul unto death,” that His soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12, 10.) Then again we read, “Thou wilt not leave my soul in Sheol [meaning the grave (sometimes mistranslated hell)]; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Psalm 16:10.) The Apostle Peter quoted this same prophesy in Acts 2:27 (NKJV), “For You will not leave my (Jesus’) soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption,” Acts 2:27 (NKJV). These two verses prove the equivalency that sheol (Hebrew) = hades (Greek). But what is the condition of death or sheol or hades?

Jesus’ friend, Lazarus, was ill. Jesus said to his disciples, “‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well,’” John 11:11,12 (NKJV). Jesus finally spoke plainly, and said, “ Lazarus is dead,” John 11:14.

The sleep of death is explained in the Old Testament, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in the grave (Sheol) where you are going,” Ecclesiastes 9:10. Jesus was in the grave, in the “sleep of death,” (sheol or hades) parts of three days.

It states in Ephesians 1:20 that it took God’s mighty power to raise Jesus from the dead, and set him at His own right hand. What a joy to know that Jesus did not remain in the death-state but was raised the firstborn from the dead. Because of this, we all have the hope of a resurrection in due time. (John 5:25-29; 1 Corinthians 15)

In summary, the man Christ Jesus, our Savior, died at 33½ years, was dead, buried in the grave for parts of three days, and was resurrected on the third day.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (WEB)
6 Therefore we are always confident and know that while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord; 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Philippians 1:21-24 (EWEB) 21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will bring fruit from my work; yet I don’t know what I will choose. 23 But I am hard pressed between the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Yet to remain in the flesh is more needful for your sake.

2 Peter 1:13-14 (WEB) 13 I think it right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, 14 knowing that the putting off of my tent comes swiftly, even as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me.

Acts 7:59 (WEB) 59 They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!

Luke 23:46 (WEB) 46 Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” Having said this, he breathed his last.

Luke 23:43 (WEB) 43 Jesus said to him, “Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

1 Corinthians 14:32 (WEB) 32 The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets,

Hebrews 12:23 (WEB) to the festal gathering and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect

1 Peter 3:18-19 (EWEB) 18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, 19 in whom he also went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ship was being built.

Revelation 22:6 (WEB) The Lord God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to show to his bondservants the things which must happen soon.

What was the reason for Lord Jesus giving this example?

Luke 16:20-31 (WEB)
20 A certain beggar, named Lazarus, was taken to his gate, full of sores, 21 and desiring to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table. Yes, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The beggar died, and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried. 23 In Hades, he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his bosom. 24 He cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue! For I am in anguish in this flame.’

25 “But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that you, in your lifetime, received your good things, and Lazarus, in the same way, bad things. But here he is now comforted, and you are in anguish. 26 Besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that those who want to pass from here to you are not able, and that no one may cross over from there to us.’

27 “He said, ‘I ask you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house; 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, so they won’t also come into this place of torment.’

29 “But Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.’

30 “He said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rises from the dead.’”

 

[Fred J]

Well this is an argument that has been ongoing for centuries. However if we keep that verse in its context:

1 Peter 3:18-22​

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King James Version​

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18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

The argument for them being people and not angelic beings is very very powerful.

Jesus did not shed His blood to forgive angels but men.

Seriously!

You may run with that then, but i want to finish by saying to true born again readers. That, verse 19, clearly states. 'spirits'. as according to Hebrews 1:14, are 'angels', and not 'souls'.

Only, in verse 20, in regards Noah and his family, 8 of them who are flesh and blood, are referred to as, 'souls'. Thank you.

 

[Sheila3]

So, where did Jesus go when he died? Simple answer: Jesus didn’t go anywhere when he died. He was dead in the tomb.

We read in Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus “poured out His soul unto death,” that His soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12, 10.) Then again we read, “Thou wilt not leave my soul in Sheol [meaning the grave (sometimes mistranslated hell)]; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Psalm 16:10.) The Apostle Peter quoted this same prophesy in Acts 2:27 (NKJV), “For You will not leave my (Jesus’) soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption,” Acts 2:27 (NKJV). These two verses prove the equivalency that sheol (Hebrew) = hades (Greek). But what is the condition of death or sheol or hades?

Jesus’ friend, Lazarus, was ill. Jesus said to his disciples, “‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well,’” John 11:11,12 (NKJV). Jesus finally spoke plainly, and said, “ Lazarus is dead,” John 11:14.

The sleep of death is explained in the Old Testament, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in the grave (Sheol) where you are going,” Ecclesiastes 9:10. Jesus was in the grave, in the “sleep of death,” (sheol or hades) parts of three days.

It states in Ephesians 1:20 that it took God’s mighty power to raise Jesus from the dead, and set him at His own right hand. What a joy to know that Jesus did not remain in the death-state but was raised the firstborn from the dead. Because of this, we all have the hope of a resurrection in due time. (John 5:25-29; 1 Corinthians 15)

In summary, the man Christ Jesus, our Savior, died at 33½ years, was dead, buried in the grave for parts of three days, and was resurrected on the third day.

1 Peter chapter 3 verses 18 through 22 indicates Jesus went to hell and preached to the spirits that were there before going back to heaven.

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Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the...

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Ephesians 4: 8-9 tells us not only did he ascend, he descended into the lower parts

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 4 - King James Version

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one...

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Do we really know what he actually did immediately after he gave up the ghost.

 

[setst777]

Seriously!

You may run with that then, but i want to finish by saying to true born again readers. That, verse 19, clearly states. 'spirits'. as according to Hebrews 1:14, are 'angels', and not 'souls'.

Only, in verse 20, in regards Noah and his family, 8 of them who are flesh and blood, are referred to as, 'souls'. Thank you.

Seriously! Was Lord Jesus an angel before his resurrection?

1 Peter 3:18-19 (EWEB) 18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, 19 in whom he also went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ship was being built.

 

[Fred J]

Seriously! Was Lord Jesus an angel before his resurrection?

1 Peter 3:18-19 (EWEB) 18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, 19 in whom he also went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ship was being built.

Seriously!

Who were the three men visited Abraham?

And, who was the man who wrestle with Jacob?

Beings in Heaven are referred to as souls or spirits?

 

[setst777]

Seriously!

You did not address the bolded and underlined text in "1 Peter 3:18-19." Instead, you are trying to refute Scripture with Scripture, but that will not work either, because you don't understand what you are quoting. So, I will quote the Scriptures for you. But even then, you will not listen; but my prayer for you is that you will listen.

Who were the three men visited Abraham?

Of the three who visited Abraham, only one of them was Jehovah - The Image of the Invisible God (Colossians1:15), who is "The Word" (John 1:1-3).

Genesis 18:24 (WEB) 22 The men turned from there, and went toward Sodom, but Abraham stood yet before Yahweh

The two men (angels) who were with Jehovah, went to Sodom to warn Lot of the impending doom, and to flee:

Genesis 19:1 (WEB) 19 The two angels came to Sodom at evening.

And, who was the man who wrestle with Jacob?

The man who wrestled with Jacob (Genesis 32:22:32) was "The Image" of the Invisible God (Colossians 1:15), who is "The Word" (John 1:1-3).

Beings in Heaven are referred to as souls or spirits?

The beings in heaven, depending on which verses you are referring to, are either angels (Revelation 1:20), the Holy Spirit (Revelation 1:4), or the spirits of the saints in heaven (Revelation 22:6).

In "Revelation 22:6," we see the spirits of the saints in heaven that are with God in the timeframe in which John was shown the events that would come pass at a future time.

Revelation 22:6 (WEB) He said to me, “These words are faithful and true. The Lord God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to show to his bondservants the things which must happen soon.”

The Greek word for "souls" in "Revelation 6:9" has many different meanings, and this depends on the context. Since the resurrection had not yet occurred yet, then these "souls" of the saints under the alter were awaiting the resurrection. The 1st Resurrection of the righteous does not occur until all those who have died for Christ have been killed.

Revelation 6:9 (WEB) 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had. 10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.

The 1st resurrection of the righteous ones does not occur until all those who have been killed for Christ have been killed, then the righteous (the dead and the living together) will be resurrected onto Life (1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (WEB) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable body must become imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable body will have become imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then what is written will happen: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” [Isaiah 25:8]

 

[rwb]

The Greek word for "souls" in "Revelation 6:9" has many different meanings, and this depends on the context. Since the resurrection had not yet occurred yet, then these "souls" of the saints under the alter were awaiting the resurrection. The 1st Resurrection of the righteous does not occur until all those who have died for Christ have been killed.

Revelation 6:9 (WEB) 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had. 10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.

The 1st resurrection of the righteous ones does not occur until all those who have been killed for Christ have been killed, then the righteous (the dead and the living together) will be resurrected onto Life (1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (WEB) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable body must become imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable body will have become imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then what is written will happen: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” [Isaiah 25:8]

When there is life, there are souls. Every living breathing creature on earth is called a living soul until the flesh & bone body succumbs to death. Then the body becomes a corpse, and the spirit that gave the body life returns to God who gave it (Ecc 12:7). The death of the body of mankind does not mean the spirit that gave man's body physical life is no longer a living soul in heaven. The spirit of mankind in heaven may still be a living soul if while alive they believed in Christ for everlasting life.

Since Christ promises that everyone who lives and believes in Him shall never die, the spirit within believers, as a living soul cannot die when our body succumbs to death. What separates the spirit in man that returns to God a living soul, or returns to Him in darkness, and silence is having FAITH in Christ before physical death. That is "Ye must be born again"! It is this new birth through the Spirit of Christ within you that man partakes of Christ's resurrection life. That is why John writes there are souls in heaven after they have been martyred for faith in Christ before they died. (Rev 20) They became partakers of Christ, who is the "first resurrection" of the dead to never die again. That's what it means to partake of the "first resurrection." It speaks of the resurrection of Christ man must believe on before they die to be accounted worthy to be raised from the body alive through Christ's Spirit. In heaven Paul writes we are a spiritual body of believers, still living souls in heaven, where we shall be until the Kingdom of God is complete when the last to be saved has been born again.

While highlighting what Paul writes shall become of our mortal, corruptible body when the last trumpet sounds that Christ has come again, you seem to have missed what Paul writes becomes of the spirit of man who has eternal life through Christ. Paul writes that when our body dies, we ascend to heaven a spiritual body of believers, because there is both a natural body (flesh & bone) and a spiritual body. God gives the dead a body that pleases Him, to every seed his own body. In life we are eternally of the seed of Christ, so in death, believers ascend to heaven as living soul, a spiritual body of believers in heaven to wait for time given this earth to be no longer.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:38 (KJV) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45-50 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The souls John writes that were under the altar are Old Covenant faithful saints waiting under the place of sacrifice (altar) for the promised Messiah to come and redeem them from death. They had to wait there until Christ gave His life to redeem them. People of Old, before Christ came called this place where righteous spirits as living souls departed to as "the bosom of Abraham." (Lu 16:22) To physically die and be there, as these living souls were, meant they died believing in the promised Messiah the prophets and law wrote would come. They waited after physical death for Christ to come and rescue them from the grave, which, as you've shown He did. These are the spirits of just men made perfect before they died, as we read of in Hebrews.

Hebrews 12:23 (KJV) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

In life we must partake of the first resurrection, that is to partake of the resurrection life through Christ. Then in a moment coming when the last trumpet sounds our body too shall be resurrected from the earth incorruptible & immortal, made alive through our spirit that returns with Christ. Then believers shall once again be complete living souls, fit for everlasting life on the new earth. We, who have partaken of the first resurrection in life, shall be physically raised immortal & incorruptible when Christ comes again.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

[Hobie]

So, where did Jesus go when he died? Simple answer: Jesus didn’t go anywhere when he died. He was dead in the tomb.

We read in Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus “poured out His soul unto death,” that His soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12, 10.) Then again we read, “Thou wilt not leave my soul in Sheol [meaning the grave (sometimes mistranslated hell)]; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Psalm 16:10.) The Apostle Peter quoted this same prophesy in Acts 2:27 (NKJV), “For You will not leave my (Jesus’) soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption,” Acts 2:27 (NKJV). These two verses prove the equivalency that sheol (Hebrew) = hades (Greek). But what is the condition of death or sheol or hades?

Jesus’ friend, Lazarus, was ill. Jesus said to his disciples, “‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well,’” John 11:11,12 (NKJV). Jesus finally spoke plainly, and said, “ Lazarus is dead,” John 11:14.

The sleep of death is explained in the Old Testament, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in the grave (Sheol) where you are going,” Ecclesiastes 9:10. Jesus was in the grave, in the “sleep of death,” (sheol or hades) parts of three days.

It states in Ephesians 1:20 that it took God’s mighty power to raise Jesus from the dead, and set him at His own right hand. What a joy to know that Jesus did not remain in the death-state but was raised the firstborn from the dead. Because of this, we all have the hope of a resurrection in due time. (John 5:25-29; 1 Corinthians 15)

In summary, the man Christ Jesus, our Savior, died at 33½ years, was dead, buried in the grave for parts of three days, and was resurrected on the third day.

Wow, the truth is being unveiled...

 

[setst777]

When there is life, there are souls. Every living breathing creature on earth is called a living soul until the flesh & bone body succumbs to death. Then the body becomes a corpse, and the spirit that gave the body life returns to God who gave it (Ecc 12:7). The death of the body of mankind does not mean the spirit that gave man's body physical life is no longer a living soul in heaven. The spirit of mankind in heaven may still be a living soul if while alive they believed in Christ for everlasting life.

Since Christ promises that everyone who lives and believes in Him shall never die, the spirit within believers, as a living soul cannot die when our body succumbs to death. What separates the spirit in man that returns to God a living soul, or returns to Him in darkness, and silence is having FAITH in Christ before physical death. That is "Ye must be born again"! It is this new birth through the Spirit of Christ within you that man partakes of Christ's resurrection life. That is why John writes there are souls in heaven after they have been martyred for faith in Christ before they died. (Rev 20) They became partakers of Christ, who is the "first resurrection" of the dead to never die again. That's what it means to partake of the "first resurrection." It speaks of the resurrection of Christ man must believe on before they die to be accounted worthy to be raised from the body alive through Christ's Spirit. In heaven Paul writes we are a spiritual body of believers, still living souls in heaven, where we shall be until the Kingdom of God is complete when the last to be saved has been born again.

While highlighting what Paul writes shall become of our mortal, corruptible body when the last trumpet sounds that Christ has come again, you seem to have missed what Paul writes becomes of the spirit of man who has eternal life through Christ. Paul writes that when our body dies, we ascend to heaven a spiritual body of believers, because there is both a natural body (flesh & bone) and a spiritual body. God gives the dead a body that pleases Him, to every seed his own body. In life we are eternally of the seed of Christ, so in death, believers ascend to heaven as living soul, a spiritual body of believers in heaven to wait for time given this earth to be no longer.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:38 (KJV) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45-50 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The souls John writes that were under the altar are Old Covenant faithful saints waiting under the place of sacrifice (altar) for the promised Messiah to come and redeem them from death. They had to wait there until Christ gave His life to redeem them. People of Old, before Christ came called this place where righteous spirits as living souls departed to as "the bosom of Abraham." (Lu 16:22) To physically die and be there, as these living souls were, meant they died believing in the promised Messiah the prophets and law wrote would come. They waited after physical death for Christ to come and rescue them from the grave, which, as you've shown He did. These are the spirits of just men made perfect before they died, as we read of in Hebrews.

Hebrews 12:23 (KJV) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

In life we must partake of the first resurrection, that is to partake of the resurrection life through Christ. Then in a moment coming when the last trumpet sounds our body too shall be resurrected from the earth incorruptible & immortal, made alive through our spirit that returns with Christ. Then believers shall once again be complete living souls, fit for everlasting life on the new earth. We, who have partaken of the first resurrection in life, shall be physically raised immortal & incorruptible when Christ comes again.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Thank you for your detailed response and your insight. I have a few concerns though that I hope you can address:

Are you saying that the souls that were waiting under the altar are only referring to the OT saints in Abraham's Bosom?

I ask you this, because the "souls" are identified as those who were killed (martyred) who hold to the Word of God and the testimony of the Lamb, which they had.

Revelation 6:9 (WEB) 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.

Note that Abraham's Bosom does not appear to me to represent resurrection of OT saints; rather, the OT saints spirits resided there until Christ had come to establish the New Covenant, having now paid the ransom. Is that what you believe as well, or are you saying there was a resurrection of OT saints residing in Abraham's Bosom?

Hebrews 9:15 (WEB) For this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, that those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Now that Lord Jesus offered himself as the sacrifice for all sins, those OT saints who were waiting in Abrahams Bosom are now in Paradise in Heaven awaiting the resurrection - because the price for their sins was paid for in full.

Romans 3:25-26 (WEB) 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

The spiritual body, at the resurrection, occurs at the last trump in a moment of time, in the twinkling of the eye.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (WEB) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

So the souls under the altar cannot be resurrected OT saints, or OT saints who were in Abraham's Bosom.

The word for soul is "psyxḗ" and does not have to refer to the uniting of the body and the spirit; rather, it can refer to the unique personhood even if not in a body, in the same way "spirit" of a person is used - the context is our guide to what is meant.

5590 psyxḗ (from psyxō, "to breathe, blow" which is the root of the English words "psyche," "psychology") – soul (psyche); a person's distinct identity (unique personhood), i.e. individual personality.

4151 pneúma – properly, spirit (Spirit), wind, or breath. The most frequent meaning (translation) of 4151 (pneúma) in the NT is "spirit" ("Spirit"). Only the context however determines which sense(s) is meant.

Matthew 10:28 (WEB) 28 Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy [cut off spiritually from God's presence] both soul and body in Gehenna.

Do you have any thoughts about this?