Free-will vs No Free-will (God knows everything?)

[MatthewG]

Off to work now.


but ya if you wanna believe what other people conjure up compared to God and how Paul explains in Romans 9-11, by the old testament standards

you can believe and go by them....


I choose not too and you know I love you either way it goes cause just about everyone on here is very smart and very capable of studying on their own, and may the spirit guide, @CadyandZoe


cause while I can disagree with everyone on here on this forum board, I don't wish death upon them. (A reference to the 4'oclock twilight episode) of a person who hated everyone and desired at 4oclock for them all to become little people but instead at 4 he became the little person.

have a good day, gotta go to work here.

 

[Bob Estey]

Does God know everything or does God work through the possibilities that come along?

What would you say?

Some would say God knows everything from the very beginning, which negates the ability to have free will and everything is predetermined.

Do you think God only knows what he wants to know, and then works through whatever that event may be with the freewill of man?

God created man, and said it was good.

I have trouble believing God knows each and ever choice we are going to make, but perhaps he does. If not, he probably is very good at predicting what we are going to do.

 

[Ghada]

Does God know everything or does God work through the possibilities that come along?

What would you say?

To fetch about this form of speech hath thy servant Joab done this thing: and my lord is wise, according to the wisdom of an angel of God, to know all things that are in the earth.

It is as an angel of God to know all things, and so how much more God Himself.

Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

We must always refer such questions to the Bible first. God certainly knows all things. The real question is when and how.

Being God in the beginning, He therefore knows all things from the beginning. His prophecies of things to come, are of what He already knows have come to pass.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

How He knows all things to come to pass from the beginning, before they come to pass, is His omniscience. How is by foreseeing all things come to pass, which is to see and watch and witness them come to pass.

It's not 'fore-mapping' things in His own mind first, and then creating and making them come to pass as preplanned. He has His plan of eternal redemption and the new heaven and earth, but He did not preplan everything in detail, but rather foresees and watches even now from above.

The mystery of His omniscience in the beginning is thus understood by the mystery of the Godhead: God the Word being with God in the beginning.

The Word is at this time watching all things come to pass as from the circle of the earth (Is 40), and His angels are called 'watchers' from heaven. (Dan 4:17). The eyes of the Lord see all things, even as they come to pass.

The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

And so, God by His Spirit is watching all things, and thus by the Godhead reports His perfect eyewitness of all things, even as they come to pass, with God in the beginning.

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Some would say God knows everything from the very beginning, which negates the ability to have free will and everything is predetermined.

Not necessarily. God could have preplanned every detail in advance, in order to ensure His plan come to pass. However, He does not do it that way, in order to allow for free will with His angels and men in the process of His plan coming to pass.

The fact of any created creature of God, whether men or angels, can actually refuse to do the will of our own all-powerful Creator, proves He creates us all with free will. It's the risk He is will to take for love's sake, that He may have free fellowship with a free people, rather than just overseeing robotic creatures with no will of their own.

And of course, being created in His image is spiritual free will.

God and the Word's omniscience is to freely watch all things come to pass, as they freely come to pass, and so does know by eyewitness of the Spirit, what will surely come to pass from the beginning.

Do you think God only knows what he wants to know

He knows all things. And that includes knowing things he never wanted to know in the beginning, which is them being in everlasting destruction:

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

, and then works through whatever that event may be with the freewill of man?

Exactly. While He watches from on high, He is not just a passive observer and eyewitness, but rather active in helping them that would be helped of God to please Him in all things:

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

God creates us in His image with His freedom of will to choose for ourselves whom we will serve. And God also works within us to have His chosen good will to do and please Him.

He makes us with free will, and if we sacrifice our will to Him, then He gives His perfectly good will to us to live by for His sake.

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

God created man, and said it was good.

Exactly. God does not make any creature of His to be evil and fit for destruction from the womb.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God does not create some for His pleasure, and others for the pleasure of destroying them.

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Predeterminism is the first lie of the Lucifer against God, to make the true and living God into one like unto himself: the evil god of this world, that plans and takes pleasure in destroying all he can.

 

[Behold]

Does God know everything

Does God "know" everything?

A.) Yes

This is the "fore-Knowledge" of God... or... God knowing be-fore it happened, what will happen, next.

Does God cause everything to happen, that happens?

A.) NO

And THAT Reader, is where John Calvin failed to understand that God's knowing everything, is not the same as God causing it ALL to happen.

And because He could not comprehend that God KNOWING, is not the same as God Causing... is why his Theology is evil, Cross rejecting, and can ruin your faith for life.

John Calvin can get you killed.
How?
Because once you are "bewitched" by his demonic teaching.. or as Paul teaches about these types of "dark lights".... You may end up with Cancer, or some Terminal Disease, and because Calvin has your BRAIN LOCKED UP and your Faith destroyed with is Cross Denying Theology... you will think... "well, it was meant to be, God wanted me to have it". "its all pre-determined" .. "what will be will be"..

And if that is true, then why did God and Christ tell you to PRAY and get your situations solved, your diseases healed, and your life restored, = By ANSWERED PRAYER ??

God does not want you to have DISEASE.. God wants you alive and well and full of Joy and spiritual power.
But because Calvinism has you deceived, you wont be able to put any faith in God, and the Blood of Jesus, so that you can be HEALED.

John Calvinism, will you get you killed, JUST LIKE THAT..

Calvin's misunderstanding of God's Fore-knowledge was so demonically twisted that he created his man made theology that redefined "to foreknow" as to "pre-determine".

Reader, you are here reading what im writing, what im teaching..... and God KNEW you would, but He didn't cause you to read it.
You CHOSE to read it.
See that?
You CHOSE to be here.......= Freewill.
But God knew you would choose it.., before you were born. and that is God's Fore-knowledge.

John Calvin takes that reality and twists it into... "God predestined you to read what Behold is writing".

See the problem?
God didnt predestine you to be here.... reading my post......., but Calvin teaches otherwise., and millions on this earth right now, are under his SPELL.

Paul said of these types of "ministers"... "Who has BEWITCHED YOU"...., and that is exactly what John Calvinism does to people, to such a degree that they will openly brag and proudly tell you...."IM a CALVINIST"..

Well, im NOT... Im a CHRISTIAN,.

And what are you, reader?

See it?

LOOK !!

Calvin's developed a mental issue within this confusion he had regarding his twisted idea of "predestined", ... He obsessed on this to the point the he could not read the verses in the bible unless he was filtering them through his deranged misunderstanding, regarding his incredibly wrong reinterpretation of God's Fore-knowledge.

If Calvin was on this forum right now...., he would be teaching that God CHOSE some of you to burn in the lake of fire, and he would say that others are chosen to go to heaven.
And in BOTH CASES, not any of you had any Choice at all., as you were predestined to BURN IN The Lake of Fire, or not.

= Welcome to SATANIC CALVINISM.

See that?
That's Satanic Theology that denies that Jesus on the CROSS.... John 3:16..... was given to us ALL, as our hope, our salvation, and God wills that ALL of us would come to Christ by faith,.... however, God does nof force you.

Reader,
You CHOOSE Christ, or not .......and where you end up after you die, this eternal result is God respecting your choice you made on earth, after you die.


Calvin teaches otherwise.

 

[JohnDB]

Fore-ordination is not the same thing as predestination.

Some people can't imagine a God so smart, big, and sovereign that total free will by his creation is a possibility or a given.

For example....Daniel held up a letter to Darius the Mede for Cyrus when he conquered the city Babylon. This letter was written over 500 years previously.

Did Darius and Cyrus have free will? Of course. But that doesn't mean that God did or didn't do anything to interfere in their lives to make them do what they did.

Could God have stopped them?
Most definitely....long long before they even existed or the possibility of them existed.

God is more than capable of making something out of nothing....so how much easier is it for Him to make something out of something? (At times....very)

What God won't do is force people to choose good over evil....even though He gets extremely frustrated with us. "I sang a dirge and you did not cry, I played a flute and you didn't dance" is a line of scripture quoted by Jesus displaying his frustration with the unbelief of the Jews. (And a warning for their disbelief)


I've seen the ignorant become insanely wealthy and the extremely brilliant be practically paupers even though they had the talents to not be. God grants success or failure to those He wishes for His purposes and not ours.
And God is ALWAYS GOOD.

So pray to win the lottery if you want....but be careful...if you anger Him enough He just might grant you your request....

 

[MatthewG]

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God created everything for his own pleasure. He did however destroy his own chosen people, yet saved some whom believed in his Son.

I believe that God did choose a certain amount of people, for himself which were all people who chose to follow after his Son and continue to believe on the one whom God had sent.

You can see an instance of this, from scripture,

Romans 11:4
4 And do you remember God’s reply? He said, “No, I have 7,000 others who have never bowed down to Baal!”

Now, if you go back in the old testament and find this in 1 Kings, 18 or 19. It's an interesting read. If God reserved for himself, 7,000, I believe that it could be said for the bride of Christ. Whom continued to believe, and God reserved them as they went and continued on believing in the Gospel of Christ, and I believe that co-relates to the twelve tribes of Israel, having 144,000 people from those tribes taken during the period of the great tribulation in which all of the tribes were suffering, because they had become under attack by the Romans, which to me was the justifying stance which God used those Romans to take out Israel, and from the reports, it is suggested 1,000,000 people had died there, whom were all of mainly Jewish decent, and there could have been some Gentiles there as well, whom were all saved by and through Jesus and his return, and they were the first bride church of Christ, in which ever since them more people have been able to come into this established administration where Christ, is the head, and the material religion of the day was done with.

Does God "know" everything?

A.) Yes

Why didn't Jesus know everything, before it was revealed to him, by His Father, and a message was given to John by the messenger? (Revelation 1:1)

I believe that the Father is able to already fore-know, a conclusion of everything possibly happening had come to mind before the speaking of the Word, which then sent forth Light, which then He would then part the light from the darkness.

When it comes to God knowing everything, I believe Yahava, does wait, patiently with his creations, he was for Israel for over 1500 years before Jesus had come upon the scene. Looking for those who will turn toward him, and the light given by him, in faith which then one grows in learning and knowing, what is said in the bible. However, discernment, is something that comes by and through wisdom.

Therefore, if God knows that "Mother of Susie Jane, Susie the daughter of the Mother, was meant to be killed on a certain day, and certain time." And the daughter believes that God knows this was meant to be, wouldn't that mean God is a bad God for not saving the Mother? God knew it was going to happen.

When it comes to freewill, I believe that Yahava, allows himself to know what he will let himself know about if he chooses too, and those who may desire to continue to say that He is unable to do that, perhaps may not have the same perception that is held in my own heart, about who Yahava is, and it's important to know and grow, and learn, about the Father, (Yahava), Yahweh, Jehovah, some people would claim his Name to be. Either way it goes why wouldn't a good God, not stop Jobs' suffering and pain that he went through, along with his accusative friends? Still standing before God, as a whirlwind, Job said "Behold I am vile."

When an incident comes up, I believe that it is now up to the individual with faith in God, to pray, and ask him to help them in their lives, and though he may choose to not know what you may be doing, he will see it in the heart of a person who either, desires to love him, and has faith, and continues to abide in the Son of God, Yeshua as their Lord, should tell everything that is going on with you to the Father, and ask for the holy spirit to guide you by and through faith because it's most certainly not an easy road for people. There are some who have been blindsided, by Christian culture, the World, and the Darkness that resides within us that entices us to sin, and not abide in Christ Yeshua, or give any attention to God at all.

With all this, it seems to be a two-way street. Yahava, reaching down to the world, letting his Glory (The Word/Yeshua) be known throughout all the created world, and works with individuals as they go throughout their lives, and one story about Saul, when he became a king in the book of Samuel. Yahava was watching and seeing what was going on with his people, he sent a dream to Samuel, in which Eli, was told by Samuel that Eli's family line was going to be killed, and God was the one who was going to make this happen. Could have Elis family turned around? Sure they could, however, they are not a type and example for us to just look out for in which one may conduct their lives as they live here in the flesh.

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God allows himself to know what he wants to know. God will one day see the heart of all individuals and see the love that one had for Yahava, and for others, in which all people will be judged accordingly, given either a resurrection of condemnation (new spiritual body of unbelievers), and a resurrection of life (new spiritual body for believers), and resurrection of the dead (which is said to be a better resurrection than the others.)

 

[BlessedPeace]

When I read or hear people insisting we have free will, I find it amazing how we don't realize how ridiculous that is.

We have the capacity to will our life to be whatever it becomes,whatever happens. And God passively lets it happen. And then we pray God
will change what we got ourselves into while let it happen.

So much for God being Sovereign. And all those verses that tell us he is in control are nothing compared to our will.

So silly.

 

[Behold]

Why didn't Jesus know everything,

Who said He didnt?
What Heretic told you that nonsense?

In fact, when Christ The Lord was on the earth, the only thing that is not known to Him, at that time, is..

A.) When He's coming back.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Who said He didnt?
What Heretic told you that nonsense?

In fact, when Christ The Lord was on the earth, the only thing that is not known to Him, at that time, is..

A.) When He's coming back.

Isn't it true that if Jesus didn't know something (the time of his return), then he didn't know everything? I don't get your point here.

 

[MatthewG]

When I read or hear people insisting we have free will, I find it amazing how we don't realize how ridiculous that is.

We have the capacity to will our life to be whatever it becomes,whatever happens. And God passively lets it happen. And then we pray God
will change what we got ourselves into while let it happen.

So much for God being Sovereign. And all those verses that tell us he is in control are nothing compared to our will.

So silly.

God isnt Sovereign, like a human Sovereign, there is not a word in the literal translation that even suggest that Sovereign is there it is just an added word to later editions.

 

[MatthewG]

Who said He didnt?
What Heretic told you that nonsense?

In fact, when Christ The Lord was on the earth, the only thing that is not known to Him, at that time, is..

A.) When He's coming back.

Only when His Father finally revealed the time of his return, he then knew, but at one point in time he did not. Revelation is the overview of what the Father, showed Jesus, and forwarded to John, to write to those 7 churches in asia minor.

 

[MatthewG]

Fore-ordination is not the same thing as predestination.

Some people can't imagine a God so smart, big, and sovereign that total free will by his creation is a possibility or a given.

For example....Daniel held up a letter to Darius the Mede for Cyrus when he conquered the city Babylon. This letter was written over 500 years previously.

Did Darius and Cyrus have free will? Of course. But that doesn't mean that God did or didn't do anything to interfere in their lives to make them do what they did.

Could God have stopped them?
Most definitely....long long before they even existed or the possibility of them existed.

God is more than capable of making something out of nothing....so how much easier is it for Him to make something out of something? (At times....very)

What God won't do is force people to choose good over evil....even though He gets extremely frustrated with us. "I sang a dirge and you did not cry, I played a flute and you didn't dance" is a line of scripture quoted by Jesus displaying his frustration with the unbelief of the Jews. (And a warning for their disbelief)


I've seen the ignorant become insanely wealthy and the extremely brilliant be practically paupers even though they had the talents to not be. God grants success or failure to those He wishes for His purposes and not ours.
And God is ALWAYS GOOD.

So pray to win the lottery if you want....but be careful...if you anger Him enough He just might grant you your request....

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Behold]

Only when His Father finally revealed the time of his return, he then knew,

There is no verse in the Bible, that says that God ever revealed to Jesus when He is to return.

IF Jesus now knows, then this is not revealed by the NT.

So, please stop maklng up your own theology, by creating verses that don't exist.

-thanks

 

[MatthewG]

There is no verse in the Bible, that says that God ever revealed to Jesus when He is to return.

IF Jesus now knows, then this is not revealed by the NT.

So, please stop maklng up your own theology, by creating verses that don't exist.

-thanks

Sorry you are rejecting what is there, for people to view for themselves.

In Revelation, you see Jesus says " I am coming back quickly" 7 times.

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

 

[Behold]

Sorry you are rejecting what is there,

Post a verse that says the God told Jesus WHEN He's to come back., not a verse that says that He's coming back.
We all know he's coming back @MatthewG
Now, as i said ....Post a verse that says that Jesus knows the time, the day, the moment, He is to return.

 

[MatthewG]

Post a verse that says the God told Jesus WHEN He's to come back., not a verse that says that He's coming back.
We all know he's coming back @MatthewG
Now, as i said ....Post a verse that says that Jesus knows the time, the day, the moment, He is to return.

And you know I have a different view than the most traditional way that people believe.

He was coming to those people in that generation. That is what Jesus said, but many people say it's todays generation. I believe they are wrong, and when it comes to showing a written record or anything that states "Jesus had come back" is unavailable.

While many people may wait in faith for Jesus to come back today - its not logical to discredit the people who are being written to, and was it true that Jesus was indeed returning quickly then at that time, or is everything about Revelation, just untrue and should just be removed from the bible would be my question to you?


I get many people traditionally glom onto the idea Jesus is coming back, however but what about the PEOPLE, who are being wrote to in that day and time, about Jesus coming quickly, before the destruction of Jerusalem came to full force, and those who were faithful seen Jesus return as promised, and were translated from here, to the Heavenly Kingdom, along with the judgments of the devil, satan, hades, those who died before law was instated, and Yahava has made all things new now today.


The above statement is one that I believe faithfully happened in 70AD, with the promise of divorcement with material Israel, was forevermore. With the heavenly Kingdom now established, but what one knows, or believes, or decides to choose when thinking about those things, is up to them.

Most however, just say, no no no.... cant be. Jesus aint come back, loook at the world around, etc.... etc...


The fact remains, is that if Jesus did not return for those people in that day in age,


Jesus is a liar...

the apostles are a liar....

and what good is it to trust writers who wrote, about things that are a lies?

 

[MatthewG]

To the Church in Philadelphia

7To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of the One who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What He opens no one can shut, and what He shuts no one can open.c

8I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. For you have only a little strength, yet you have kept My word and have not denied My name. 9Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

10Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon.d Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


The people who were written to either passed this letter around to one another, or John wrote it seven times for each Church.


Here in verse, 11, you can see "I am coming soon."

Wouldn't that mean Jesus now is telling them, the time is coming soon, quickly, swiftly, upon his return? OR is just this just a bunch of junk writing that doesn't mean anything at all? @Behold.

 

[Ghada]

God created everything for his own pleasure. He did however destroy his own chosen people,

That transgressed and repented not.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

yet saved some whom believed in his Son.

After Jesus' resurrection. He now saves any that repent with faith toward God.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

At His death on the cross, no man believed He was both Lord and God, and all men that sinned were condemned as His killers, not just the ones doing the unjust hands-on work.

And not only all the sinners of Jesus' day, but all sinners of past, present, and future are condemned as enemies of God by slaying His dear Son Jesus.

Only by His resurrection does He now grant unconditional surrender with repentance and free mercy.

I believe that God did choose a certain amount of people, for himself which were all people who chose to follow after his Son and continue to believe on the one whom God had sent.

True. Many are called by hearing of the gospel unto repentance and salvation, but only a few repent for salvation.

You can see an instance of this, from scripture,

Romans 11:4
4 And do you remember God’s reply? He said, “No, I have 7,000 others who have never bowed down to Baal!”

Now, if you go back in the old testament and find this in 1 Kings, 18 or 19. It's an interesting read. If God reserved for himself, 7,000,

7000 was literal in the natural kingdom of Israel, and is now figurative in the everlasting kingdom of Christ.

No Israelite Jew continued believing Jesus was the Christ, when He was arrested and crucified on the cross. Especially not Peter. None of the women coming to His tomb, came to see His resurrection, but only to dress His dead body.

The OT promise to natural Israel ended at the cross, and the NT promise to all men begins with His resurrection.

For three days the whole world of sinners was void of faith toward God, even as the earth was once void of light.

I believe that it could be said for the bride of Christ. Whom continued to believe, and God reserved them as they went and continued on believing in the Gospel of Christ,

True.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

and I believe that co-relates to the twelve tribes of Israel, having 144,000 people from those tribes taken during the period of the great tribulation in which all of the tribes were suffering,

This is up for debate. Since God no longer divides His people between Jew and Gentile, then any present or future 144,000 saints sealed by the Spirit, are of course Christian members of the body of Christ.

because they had become under attack by the Romans, which to me was the justifying stance which God used those Romans to take out Israel,

Unless of course you want to place Rev 7 in Roman history with the Jews. But they certainly are Christian saints sealed by the Holy Ghost.

But, since the tribes are not listed accurately in Rev 7, to be those on the breastplate of Aaron, then they cannot be only natural Israelite Christians. The history and prophecy do not agree. And so the prophecy cannot be only for historical Israel after the flesh.

and from the reports, it is suggested 1,000,000 people had died there, whom were all of mainly Jewish decent, and there could have been some Gentiles there as well,

Ok. So long as they are all sealed Christian saints. Of course, just by historical analysis, I'm not convinced of any interpretation of prophecy.

There were of course many thousands of sealed Christian saints at the time of Jerusalem's sack, and most of them were already scattered abroad by persecution from Jews in Jerusalem.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

whom were all saved by and through Jesus and his return

I don't entertain any past return of Jesus Christ a second time to earth. Whether 'spiritually only' nor physically in Person. His Spirit is now shed upon all flesh on earth to convict and draw all men to repentance, but His second coming is only with resurrected body and power through the air, and is seen by all men on earth.

The only teaching of Jesus already coming again to earth, or comes again unknown 'by stealth' is for false christs only.

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

, and they were the first bride church of Christ,

The first bride of Christ is since the resurrection of Jesus, until the first resurrection of His church at His second coming in the air.

There will be multitudes more newborn Christians during His thousand year reign, and they will be much more than before His coming again.

The kingdom of heaven on earth will truly be fulfilled in the kingdom of the resurrected King Jesus on earth, after His second coming.

Why didn't Jesus know everything, before it was revealed to him, by His Father,

Well, He did need to become a learning child, rather than just a babe. Afterall, He did come in the flesh conceived and born of a woman.

and a message was given to John by the messenger? (Revelation 1:1)

He knew all things before that:

Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

The Revelation given Him by God, was after His resurrection.

I believe that the Father is able to already fore-know, a conclusion of everything possibly happening

God did know all things coming to pass in the beginning, by the eyewitness of the Word watching all those things coming to pass from the beginning.

His omniscience of all things coming to pass from the beginning, is revealed by the mystery of the Godhead: That God the Word was with God in the beginning, and was testifying with God, while watching all things come to pass.

He's watching now. But not as an objective observer only, but also working to fulfill His will in them that love Him.

 

[Behold]

And you know I have a different view than the most traditional way that people believe.

Just read the bible, and believe it.

IF the verse is not in there... if the teaching is not in there, then avoid what isn't there.

 

[MatthewG]

Just read the bible, and believe it.

IF the verse is not in there... if the teaching is not in there, then avoid what isn't there.

Well Jesus promise to come back then in that day in age, is there. But most people suggest Jesus is a liar, cause of the suggestion he hasn't come back. That is alright though, still love my futurist brothers and sisters.