Timtofly
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The church has been in Paradise since Resurrection Sunday, when Jesus presented the firstfruits of the church to God, when He ascended after talking to Mary.The church is not in paradise before the millennium.
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The church has been in Paradise since Resurrection Sunday, when Jesus presented the firstfruits of the church to God, when He ascended after talking to Mary.The church is not in paradise before the millennium.
If the church is in Paradise, after Christ resurrection, why in the world would the church be told to repent.The church has been in Paradise since Resurrection Sunday, when Jesus presented the firstfruits of the church to God, when He ascended after talking to Mary.
It has not been answered, because we still don't know the timing of the answer. They were told to wait. They were not told when they would be avenged nor the symbolism of what would be done. We can assume the vengeance is the winepress of God's wrath. We still do not know when that will happen.Just as we don’t know the exact date and time of Christ’s birth but we can certainly know it has already happened, so too we can know the question asked at the fifth seal has happened without placing an exact time or date on the event.
Is it possible the Lord already answered their question?It has not been answered, because we still don't know the timing of the answer. They were told to wait. They were not told when they would be avenged nor the symbolism of what would be done. We can assume the vengeance is the winepress of God's wrath. We still do not know when that will happen.
It has not happened, and the question is still relevant in the future.
You base the timing on the question. That is not even the point of the 5th Seal.
You have no answer for their question, thus you change the question. Please tell us when their answer will even be given.Since you are part of the church, why are you going to ask a question that you already know the answer to? And are you planning on asking Jesus questions like how many disciples did you pick or how many days were you in the wilderness after you got baptized?
If the answer to the question asked in Revelation 6:10 changes over time then the vision John saw and recorded took place at a specific point in time, prior to the writing of Revelation. If the answer to the questions would be the same if asked today then “little season” has absolutely no meaning.It has not been answered, because we still don't know the timing of the answer. They were told to wait. They were not told when they would be avenged nor the symbolism of what would be done. We can assume the vengeance is the winepress of God's wrath. We still do not know when that will happen.
It has not happened, and the question is still relevant in the future.
You base the timing on the question. That is not even the point of the 5th Seal.
Their answer was given after they asked the question and it was relevant to them. That answer is recorded for us in Revelation 6:11 and I believe it is 100% accurate.You have no answer for their question, thus you change the question. Please tell us when their answer will even be given.
Luke 21:22 says these are the days of vengeance, which happened in the first century when Jerusalem was sacked.I don't know when the winepress of God's vengeance is going to be poured out. Do you know the exact time and date?
You need to look at the rest of the message of the bible to get the proper interpretation. Ask yourself is that Jesus character? Jesus is the prince of peace and came to heal and restore and bring true inner peace.
What Jesus is saying is that because of Him and His message families will be divided because they have to choose to either believe in Him or not and some will leave their families faith for faith in Jesus and they will be persecuted for it even by their families
Thus it’s not Jesus who causes it it’s the result of His ministry it’s man sin of rejecting Him and His peace He wants all to come to Him.
Im not spiritualizing the third seal it happened what most f Israel was starving in Jerusalem during the seige
At the same time the Lamb who is God came riding a white horse which is always symbolic of purity and righteousness (which is what the white robes symbolize) there came also the other three that in various ways are symbolic of the ones who cause all manner of evil and death. They are red, black and pale in colors that symbolize blood through murder the rider brings to earth, iniquity/deceit/dishonesty, and death that comes through hunger, war and wild animals upon the earth.
Marty, I really want to continue this discussion but this a.m. I am scheduled to have cataract surgery and must go prepare. It may be a few days before I am able to continue, so please be praying that all goes well and my vision will be vastly improved. As Arnold S. would have said, "I'll be back" LOL.
Read 2 Corinthians 5 and you will see the church is gathering in Paradise, because of the Cross. Those in Christ are only ambassadors on earth; representing that kingdom in Paradise.If the church is in Paradise, after Christ resurrection, why in the world would the church be told to repent.
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Who the heck repents while in paradise?
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
The question has not even been asked yet. The question is "how long?".Is it possible the Lord already answered their question?
John saw what happened in the future. Revelation is not a history lesson of the first century.If the answer to the question asked in Revelation 6:10 changes over time then the vision John saw and recorded took place at a specific point in time, prior to the writing of Revelation. If the answer to the questions would be the same if asked today then “little season” has absolutely no meaning.
Alright, then can you explain why you yourself would ask “how long” when you know what the answer will be? Do you disbelieve the answer given in Revelation 6:11?John saw what happened in the future. Revelation is not a history lesson of the first century.
The 4th Seal has not been opened, much less the 5th Seal. They are still future events even to us posting in this forum today. The "little season" will not even be a definitive answer when given. Obviously no one even agrees on the length of the term "little season".
Obviously the question and answer was part of this future event.Their answer was given after they asked the question and it was relevant to them. That answer is recorded for us in Revelation 6:11 and I believe it is 100% accurate.
Luke 21:22 says these are the days of vengeance, which happened in the first century when Jerusalem was sacked.
The end of Adam's punishment.Alright, then can you explain why you yourself would ask “how long” when you know what the answer will be? Do you disbelieve the answer given in Revelation 6:11?
I don’t need to know the exact moment of many things. I don’t need to know the exact moment in time that Jesus died on the cross, as you know there are people who think 30AD and others think 33AD but pin pointing the exact moment doesn’t change the fact that He did die for our sins.The end of Adam's punishment.
Many think Daniel 9:24 has been accomplished.
Yet we are still in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Don't you want to know the exact moment that happens?
Marty, have you ever considered the vision in Rev 6 is a continuation of the vision John was given beginning in chapter 4?
When do you think the question of “how long” in Revelation 6:10 is asked?"How long O Lord"
Not long at all.