What is the new nature?

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you actually understand this scripture?
.you bear false witness of what a Born Again is...

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

One of my favorite chapters. HAve it memorized and taiught in many times over the course of nearly 4 decades.

That is our position in Christ. But that is not our day to day experience in Christ.

Paul also wrote you are dead and your life is hidden with christin god. But yet you are here still.

Paul also wrote we are already seated in heavenly places in Christ, but yet here you are on planet earth.

what you do not understand is the difference between your position "in christ". And your day to day walk with Christ and the Father.

The bible clearly teaches us that thoughthe old man is dead (or in your words, the old mindset) yet it still lives and seeks to take control of us.

If you are incapapble of sinning and have ceased from sin, you are fully sanctified now and the teachings of SCripture almost exclusively no longer apply to you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you actually understand this scripture?
.you bear false witness of what a Born Again is...

This makes you a liar! Just like behold is. I fully know what he bible says when it says I am born again, for I am. my new nature cannot sin.

 

[Ritajanice]

One of my favorite chapters. HAve it memorized and taiught in many times over the course of nearly 4 decades.

That is our position in Christ. But that is not our day to day experience in Christ.

Paul also wrote you are dead and your life is hidden with christin god. But yet you are here still.

Paul also wrote we are already seated in heavenly places in Christ, but yet here you are on planet earth.

what you do not understand is the difference between your position "in christ". And your day to day walk with Christ and the Father.

The bible clearly teaches us that thoughthe old man is dead (or in your words, the old mindset) yet it still lives and seeks to take control of us.

If you are incapapble of sinning and have ceased from sin, you are fully sanctified now and the teachings of SCripture almost exclusively no longer apply to you.

As long as you don’t teach it to me, Nonsense..as I have said..you have no spiritual understanding of Born Again of imperishable seed .

I believe Gods word ,not your understanding of God’s word.

A Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been “ Born Again “ of “ Imperishable seed “....I pray that you understand what this means in the Spirit and not in your mind.

 

[Ritajanice]

This makes you a liar! Just like behold is. I fully know what he bible says when it says I am born again, for I am. my new nature cannot sin.

You bear false witness of a Born Again...you just said you go in and out of your new nature and your old nature....absolute nonsense....it’s the old mindset that you keep going in and out of....it’s being renewed daily...we have the mind of Christ...think it and believe it from your heart....

I have never heard of anything more ridiculous than having two natures in our spirit..our old nature is dead...it’s our Spirit that needs to be Born Again not the intellect.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This makes you a liar! Just like behold is. I fully know what he bible says when it says I am born again, for I am. my new nature cannot sin.

Yes

But yet you still sin. so where does that sin come from?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As long as you don’t teach it to me, Nonsense..as I have said..you have no spiritual understanding of Born Again of imperishable seed .

I believe Gods word ,not your understanding of God’s word.

A Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been “ Born Again “ of “ Imperishable seed “....I pray that you understand what this means in the Spirit and not in your mind.

Okay then! so just like behold, if one who calls themselves a believer and born again, commits a sin, to you they were never saved! Cuz they cannot commit sin if they are born again! I am glad I serve the God of the bible, who has the much mores' for His children.

Romans 5

King James Version

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5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The bible says this:

Matthew 18:21-23

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21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

But you and Beholds man made God says no- no times will I forgive you if you become my child.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes

But yet you still sin. so where does that sin come from?

It comes from teh old nature, which though declared dead, still lives to seek to take back control as Paul wrote in most of his epistles.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes

But yet you still sin. so where does that sin come from?

1 John 1:9 is for believers, not unbelievers.

So isn't the rest of the bible.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Those who have deceived themselves into thinking they are perfected in thought word and deed do not know the difference between walking in sin, and falling short on those occasions we fall short.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Once again JOhn is writing to believers not unbelievers.

 

[Ritajanice]

It comes from teh old nature, which though declared dead, still lives to seek to take back control as Paul wrote in most of his epistles.

The old nature still lives in your spirit does it...?

It can’t, because our new nature is in Christ...our spirits are Born Again of imperishable seed?

It’s the old mindset that seeks to control not our old nature......as we are being made into the image of Jesus our old mindset becomes less and less, but it will never completely leave us, not until our body dies.

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Ephesians 4:23
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and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind.

 

[Ritajanice]

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

How can we walk in darkness if we have been “ Born Again “ of imperishable/ incorruptible seed?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It comes from teh old nature, which though declared dead, still lives to seek to take back control as Paul wrote in most of his epistles.

Amen

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How can we walk in darkness if we have been “ Born Again “ of imperishable/ incorruptible seed?

Do you still sin?

 

[Ritajanice]

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you still sin?

I am Born Again of imperishable seed therefore a Born Again cannot sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..

I no longer am confused regarding sin....it’s my old mindset that needs renewing....as we grow in Christ our old mindset gets less and less ...my sin is on Jesus, ..no one said I was without sin....I sinned in my old nature that is no more it’s dead and buried in Christ..I have been reconciled back to God by the blood of the Lamb.

You can’t have two natures Living in your spirit...

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am Born Again of imperishable seed therefore a Born Again cannot sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..

I no longer am confused regarding sin....it’s my old mindset that needs renewing....as we grow in Christ our old mindset gets less and less ...my sin is on Jesus, ..no one said I was without sin....I sinned in my old nature that is no more it’s dead and buried in Christ..I have been reconciled back to God by the blood of the Lamb.

You can’t have two natures Living in your spirit...

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

so do you still sin or not.

 

[Ritajanice]

so do you still sin or not.

I’ve answered your question above...I can’t help it if you don’t understand what is being said.

How can a Born Again sin if they have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

They can’t.

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

We are Born Again in our spirit not our intellect.

A Born Again abideth in Him because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed that abideth and liveth forever.

That means the Holy Spirit liveth and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit.

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

1 John 3​

King James Version​

3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The old nature still lives in your spirit does it...?

I am surprised you do not know the difference between the soul and spirit.

It can’t, because our new nature is in Christ...our spirits are Born Again of imperishable seed?

Yes our spirit is made alive again as Paul said in ephesians 2, but our soul and spirit are still under the curse of sin and our body will die, though it bears the immortal spirit.

It’s the old mindset that seeks to control not our old nature......as we are being made into the image of Jesus our old mindset becomes less and less, but it will never completely leave us, not until our body dies.

And that is the sad tragedy. You have been taught to play word games. the old mindset is Adam or the flesh according to teh bible. and nothing in the flesh (old mindset) can please god.

That is why Paul constantly tells us to be renewed to cast off the old man, to cast down the old thinking. The old thinking is sin. Paul said in romans 7 there is nothing good in our old mindset- it is all sin.

How can we walk in darkness if we have been “ Born Again “ of imperishable/ incorruptible seed?

We can't. but you have been deceived into thinking that when a born again child of God stumbles and sin, they are walking in darkness. they are not!

Let me ask you- How many of your sins did Jesus die for?

 

[Ritajanice]

I am surprised you do not know the difference between the soul and spirit.

We have a new nature that nature is in Christ...we do not jump in and out of our old nature...our old nature is dead and buried in Christ.

Yes our spirit is made alive again as Paul said in ephesians 2, but our soul and spirit are still under the curse of sin and our body will die, though it bears the immortal spirit.

No it’s not ...we are Born Again of imperishable seed? Our spirit is under no curse at all....we are Born of the Spirit.

And that is the sad tragedy. You have been taught to play word games. the old mindset is Adam or the flesh according to teh bible. and nothing in the flesh (old mindset) can please god.

We are to renew our minds..that is the old mindset...it is not the flesh, we aren’t in the flesh we are in the Spirit

That is why Paul constantly tells us to be renewed to cast off the old man, to cast down the old thinking. The old thinking is sin. Paul said in romans 7 there is nothing good in our old mindset- it is all sin.

We can't. but you have been deceived into thinking that when a born again child of God stumbles and sin, they are walking in darkness. they are not!

Let me ask you- How many of your sins did Jesus die for?

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed...that is the word of God and I stand on it as I’m Born Again of imperishable seed.

 

[Ziggy]

What is a slave?
What does it mean to be slave to sin?
Have we been freed from slavery or sin?
Can we still sin or choose not to sin?

What is the liberty we have in Christ?
Is Liberty the opposite of Slavery?

Hugs

 

[Spyder]

After reading all this, I have to ask: Why are we told to die to ourselves daily if we are already perfected?