Understanding Who and What is the Babylon of Revelation.

[Ziggy]

John B was old covenant. Jesus was new covenant.
John was locked in prison and beheaded.

Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Was it Rome? Was it Herod? Was it Caesar?

They could neither buy nor sell:

Mat 22:19
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20
And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

I believe the mark in the head and in the hand is whom you serve, who you worship.
It's either Ceasar or God.

Peter says when speaking to the High Priest of Jerusalem:
We aught to obey God rather then men.

hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Rev. 1:9 says its author, John, was on Patmos. I am pretty sure John the Baptist was not that author. He lost his head decades before that work was written.

No it says the Author is God who gave by an angel the testimony of Jesus to John.

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

It's possible Paul wrote it. He talked to somebody in the third heaven which gave him the vision that God sent to John.

All I'm saying is I believe God gave the vision to John the baptist. Whether he wrote it down or not, I do not know.
But that vision somehow made it onto parchment and was sent around to seven churches.
So who was writing to the seven churches when that book was written?
Was it John, was it Paul?
I don't know. I just believe the vision originated with John the Baptist.
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Rev 10:4
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

This is the same thing Paul said when he went to third heaven and heard things which were unlawful to be heard.

But yes the author of who is told to write is John.
Perhaps your right. It could be the Evangelist.
I suppose God may have shared his vision according to what they needed to hear and when they needed to hear it.

Somebody told John B to baptize. It is John B that gives the testimony that Jesus is the lamb of God.
Paul goes to heaven and has a discussion with somebody he don't know who, (an angel)
and then shares the vision with John the Evangelist.

All I know is, the prophecy concerns things that were, that are (in that present day) and things which are to come.
And in all 3 there is God. He which was and is and is to come. He is all and in all.

So maybe the beast represents Pharoah, Ceasar, and the next guy.

Egypt, Rome, ? They are kingdoms. And economic systems. Who is going to dominate next?
The US dollar or BRICS?

Hopefully we will recognize it when it gets on the world stage.
Even though I believe it is all around us right now, but the image is still blurry.
Is it the World Economic Forum? That one bothers me. That is the ultimate Caesar if you were to ask me.

Hugs

 

[Truthnightmare]

No it says the Author is God who gave by an angel the testimony of Jesus to John.

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

It's possible Paul wrote it. He talked to somebody in the third heaven which gave him the vision that God sent to John.

All I'm saying is I believe God gave the vision to John the baptist. Whether he wrote it down or not, I do not know.
But that vision somehow made it onto parchment and was sent around to seven churches.
So who was writing to the seven churches when that book was written?
Was it John, was it Paul?
I don't know. I just believe the vision originated with John the Baptist.
Hugs

Greeting….

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

So we know John wrote it.

 

[Ziggy]

Greeting….

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

So we know John wrote it.

Yes I realized that and corrected it above. Thankyou

 

[grafted branch]

The 7 churches seen in the Revelation are representing the church today as a figurative symbolism

The verse right after Jesus states he comes quickly in the second coming, where has that happened in history?

It's a future coming that will be seen by the world

Revelation 3:10-11KJV
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Well, a person could simply argue that Revelation was written prior to 70AD and represented the church in 95AD as figurative symbolism. Really it either was or wasn’t meant for those specific 7 churches it was addressed to.

Let’s take for example Revelation 3:3, the church at Sardis is warned If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. This statement wasn’t true unless there was a coming that happened to Sardis. If someone didn’t watch, and Christ still didn’t come on them as a thief, then this verse wasn’t true. In fact full preterist don’t think there is a future coming and so far Christ has not come on them as a thief, or anyone else for that matter.

If there was only one still future coming of Christ then the letter written to the church at Sardis wasn’t meant for any church yet, it would only be applicable to the church that experiences the coming. This would mean no “internal evidence” argument can be made to support a later than 70AD writing.

I do personally believe a coming in judgement happened in 70AD and I believe there is a final coming of Christ that we are anticipating.

 

[Marty fox]

False. Babylon the Great is not killed by her lovers in the Revelation. He lovers are the kings of the earth who commit fornication with her and weep and wail at her demise when she is killed by the 10 kings of the beast who will hate her.

The kings of the earth who weep and wail over her demise are not the same as the 10 kings who hate and destroy her.

Her lovers are not the beast, as you falsely claim below:

The beast does not rule from Rome. Babylon the Great does not rule over the 10 kings i.e the beast she is seated on.

Not only Old Testament Israel has been or will ever be held responsible by God for the blood of all the prophets and all the saints. You misunderstand the scripture in Matthew 23. In Matthew 23 Jesus said that anyone who sheds the blood of saints is equally responsible for shedding the blood of prophets as those who actually shed their blood are.

I believe John the Baptist was given the vision and while he was on the Island of Patmos awaiting to be beheaded, he gave it to someone whom I'm going to say is Paul.
Because it is Paul who testifies of the mystery and the revelation given to him to share with others.

John is the first to proclaim the Lamb of God. He is the first to proclaim the Kingdom of God.
When he is asked concerning who told him to come baptising...
Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 1:30
This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:31
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Jhn 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Jhn 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jhn 1:34
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Who sent John to manifest Jesus through the act of baptism?

I understand there is a lot of controversy over who wrote the book of Revelation.
I believe it was given to John the baptist who gave it to Paul, who reveals these things in his letters.

Maybe this transaction of the vision happened while Paul was in the third heaven...

2Co 12:1
It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3
And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
2Co 12:4
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
2Co 12:5
Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
2Co 12:6
For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

I believe the vision Paul saw, came from John the baptist who was given the vision by God concerning the Lamb of God.

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Jhn 1:34
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

That's how I hear it.
Hugs

Thanks but John the Baptist was long dead before revelation was written I believe that it was John the apostle

 

[Marty fox]

Jesus says the Vatican killed the prophets and the saints. He says so where He tells the religious leaders of the 1st century that the time is coming when they are going to kill His disciples and are therefore equally as responsible for the blood of all prophets and all saints as those who killed the prophets are guilty.

Jesus is not speaking only to the religious leaders of His people who lived in the 1st century, and to say it only applies to them denies and ignores the Revelation's identity of Babylon the Great/the harlot as a city sitting on many waters which are peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues - not 1st century Jerusalem.

But Jesus was speaking directly to the religious leaders in Matthew 23 and that’s what I was talking about

It’s okay if you don’t agree with what you replied too here you will never agree no matter what scriptures I provide

 

[Zao is life]

But Jesus was speaking directly to the religious leaders in Matthew 23 and that’s what I was talking about

It’s okay if you don’t agree with what you replied too here you will never agree no matter what scriptures I provide

Believe what you will. You make it plain that you already do believe what you will.

Pity those who claim to believe in Jesus alone follow the doctrines and teaching of men that since the days of the Pharisees whose doctrine did the same, always fight against the truth of the Word of God.

 

[Zao is life]

But Jesus was speaking directly to the religious leaders in Matthew 23 and that’s what I was talking about

It’s okay if you don’t agree with what you replied too here you will never agree no matter what scriptures I provide

The scriptures that you quote have been interpreted by you so as to make them comply with a man-made doctrine that is false.

In other words I do not agree with the way you twist the scriptures you quote.

Jesus did not agree with the doctrine of the Pharisees for the same reason - they interpreted the scriptures so as to make them comply with their own man-made doctrines, just like you do, today.

 

[ewq1938]

Thanks but John the Baptist was long dead before revelation was written I believe that it was John the apostle

It's weird that anyone would think it was John the baptist who wrote Rev.

 

[Marty fox]

It's weird that anyone would think it was John the baptist who wrote Rev.

Believe what you will. You make it plain that you already do believe what you will.

Pity those who claim to believe in Jesus alone follow the doctrines and teaching of men that since the days of the Pharisees whose doctrine did the same, always fight against the truth of the Word of God.

Do you think that it was John the Baptist too?

 

[Stumpmaster]

It's weird that anyone would think it was John the baptist who wrote Rev.

And that Timothy was Paul's biological son . . . there's a list of these mismatches.

 

[Zao is life]

@Marty fox Why do you twist everything? It's not surprising that you twist the scriptures, the way you just twisted what I was talking about. I never said anything at all about John the Baptist "writing the Revelation" - and you know it. That was someone else's assertion in a conversation I was not a part of and I never said anything about it - and you know it.

(Addressed to @Marty fox regarding Jesus' word to the Pharisees about the blood of the prophets and saints and about the blood of prophets and saints also being found in Babylon the Great):

Believe what you will. You make it plain that you already do believe what you will.

Pity those who claim to believe in Jesus alone follow the doctrines and teaching of men that since the days of the Pharisees whose doctrine did the same, always fight against the truth of the Word of God.

(Addressed to another poster about a totally unrelated subject, in a conversation I was not a part of and did not comment about):

It's weird that anyone would think it was John the baptist who wrote Rev.

(Addressed to me quoting my post to Marty Fox about the blood of prophets and saints, and quoting ewq1938's post to another poster about the above unrelated subject - which I did not comment on, in a conversation I did not join in on, in such a way as to imply I had agreed with the poster who said John the Baptist wrote the Revelation):

Do you think that it was John the Baptist too?

Do you listen to the "Let's do the Twist Again" sung by Chubby Checker while you twist not only what others say, but the scriptures too, to make them comply with the man-made doctrine you adhere to?

 

[Marty fox]

@Marty fox Why do you twist everything? It's not surprising that you twist the scriptures, the way you just twisted what I was talking about. I never said anything at all about John the Baptist "writing the Revelation" - and you know it. That was someone else's assertion in a conversation I was not a part of and I never said anything about it - and you know it.






Do you listen to the "Let's do the Twist Again" sung by Chubby Checker while you twist not only what others say, but the scriptures too, to make them comply with the man-made doctrine you adhere to?

Look at your post #69

You replied to me quoting “Thanks but John the Baptist was long dead before revelation was written I believe that it was John the apostle”

And then you said “Believe what you will. You make it plain that you already do believe what you will.”

Then you said “Pity those who claim to believe in Jesus alone follow the doctrines and teaching of men that since the days of the Pharisees whose doctrine did the same, always fight against the truth of the Word of God“

So of course I said “Do you think that it was John the Baptist too?”

What was I supposed to think? So I don’t know it I replied to what you said

 

[Zao is life]

Both Jerusalem in Jeremiah 4:30-31 and Babylon the great in Revelation 17 are killed by her lovers.

False. Babylon the Great is not killed by her lovers in the Revelation. He lovers are the kings of the earth who commit fornication with her and weep and wail at her demise when she is killed by the 10 kings of the beast who will hate her.

The kings of the earth who weep and wail over her demise are not the same as the 10 kings who hate and destroy her.

Her lovers are not the beast, as you falsely claim below:

The beast does not rule from Rome. Babylon the Great does not rule over the 10 kings i.e the beast she is seated on.

Not only Old Testament Israel has been or will ever be held responsible by God for the blood of all the prophets and all the saints. You misunderstand the scripture in Matthew 23. In Matthew 23 Jesus said that anyone who sheds the blood of saints is equally responsible for shedding the blood of prophets as those who actually shed their blood are.

I believe John the Baptist was given the vision and while he was on the Island of Patmos awaiting to be beheaded, he gave it to someone whom I'm going to say is Paul.
Because it is Paul who testifies of the mystery and the revelation given to him to share with others.

-- Beginning of Post #67 by @Marty fox:
(Quotes me saying nothing about John the Baptist or who wrote the Revelation. Quoted Ziggy talking about John the Baptist and who write the Revelation):

False. Babylon the Great is not killed by her lovers in the Revelation. He lovers are the kings of the earth who commit fornication with her and weep and wail at her demise when she is killed by the 10 kings of the beast who will hate her.

The kings of the earth who weep and wail over her demise are not the same as the 10 kings who hate and destroy her.

Her lovers are not the beast, as you falsely claim below:

The beast does not rule from Rome. Babylon the Great does not rule over the 10 kings i.e the beast she is seated on.

Not only Old Testament Israel has been or will ever be held responsible by God for the blood of all the prophets and all the saints. You misunderstand the scripture in Matthew 23. In Matthew 23 Jesus said that anyone who sheds the blood of saints is equally responsible for shedding the blood of prophets as those who actually shed their blood are.

I believe John the Baptist was given the vision and while he was on the Island of Patmos awaiting to be beheaded, he gave it to someone whom I'm going to say is Paul.
Because it is Paul who testifies of the mystery and the revelation given to him to share with others.

Thanks but John the Baptist was long dead before revelation was written I believe that it was John the apostle

-- end of Post #67 by @Marty fox --

It's weird that anyone would think it was John the baptist who wrote Rev.

-- Beginning of Post # 72 by @ Marty Fox --

It's weird that anyone would think it was John the baptist who wrote Rev.

Believe what you will. You make it plain that you already do believe what you will.

Pity those who claim to believe in Jesus alone follow the doctrines and teaching of men that since the days of the Pharisees whose doctrine did the same, always fight against the truth of the Word of God.

Do you think that it was John the Baptist too?

-- end of Post #72 by @Marty fox

@Marty fox Why do you twist everything? It's not surprising that you twist the scriptures, the way you just twisted what I was talking about. I never said anything at all about John the Baptist "writing the Revelation" - and you know it. That was someone else's assertion in a conversation I was not a part of and I never said anything about it - and you know it.

Do you listen to the "Let's do the Twist Again" sung by Chubby Checker while you twist not only what others say, but the scriptures too, to make them comply with the man-made doctrine you adhere to?

Look at your post #69

You replied to me quoting “Thanks but John the Baptist was long dead before revelation was written I believe that it was John the apostle”

And then you said “Believe what you will. You make it plain that you already do believe what you will.”

Then you said “Pity those who claim to believe in Jesus alone follow the doctrines and teaching of men that since the days of the Pharisees whose doctrine did the same, always fight against the truth of the Word of God“

So of course I said “Do you think that it was John the Baptist too?”

What was I supposed to think? So I don’t know it I replied to what you said

Marty, keep going. Look at your Post #67. It's you who has been combining in one post you make, quotes of both what I said, with quotes of what others have said that have nothing to do with what I said (so as to imply I was talking about what they said).

You are only showing yourself up. Twisting again. But not very well. You should stop playing that song and trying to do the twist while you post in these forums.

PS: I have corrected my Post #69 to quote your post I was actually replying to, rather than your post #67 where you were combining what I said with what Ziggy said that had nothing to do with what I said.
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[Ziggy]

Thanks but John the Baptist was long dead before revelation was written I believe that it was John the apostle

That's fine.
No one really knows for sure. It's been debated for centuries.
It's just my own observation that John B didn't actually write the book. But the vision in the book was first given to him to go into the wilderness and announce the Lord's coming. Like a trumpet.
Who told John B to baptize?


Jhn 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Jhn 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jhn 1:34
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Who sent John B ?

Now John the Evangelist is writing the book of John right? But he isn't writing concerning himself, he is writing concerning John the Baptist.
Now John the Baptist and John the Evanglist, these aren't the same guy right?

But John E wrote concerning John B.

And we don't know exactly when the book of Revelation was written. So we don't know exactly which John is sent to write the book of Revelation.

Is John E recording the vision that John B bare record to, as he did above concerning the dove?

Who told John B to go and Baptize so that Jesus could be manifested as the lamb of God?

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 1:30
This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:31
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Now John B was sent to manifest Jesus before Israel.


Jhn 17:1
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Jhn 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Jhn 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jhn 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Jhn 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jhn 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Jhn 17:7
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Jhn 17:8
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

What words did God give to Jesus concerning him?

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

What did John see?
Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 1:30
This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Jhn 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jhn 1:34
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:15
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Acts chapter 13 is fascinating. But I'll save that for another time.
It's breakfast

Hugs

Who sent John B to baptize?

 

[Ziggy]

Jhn 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Jhn 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Rev 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Mar 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Act 13:16
Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Act 13:17
The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.
Act 13:18
And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.
Act 13:19
And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot.

Rev 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Deu 12:2
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:

mountains... later

Act 13:20
And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet.
Act 13:21
And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.
Act 13:22
And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
Act 13:23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Act 13:24
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Act 13:25
And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.

Jhn 1:22
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
Jhn 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.


Isa 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
Isa 40:2
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
Isa 40:3
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Isa 40:4
Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
Isa 40:5
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 40:6
The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry?

What was John sent to preach?
What was John preaching in the wilderness that attracted so may followers.

She hath recieved of the Lord's hand double for her sins.

Rev 17:1
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Mat 23:31
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

 

[Ziggy]

I FOUND IT!!
Luk 3:2
Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Luk 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Luk 3:7
Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


Rev 6:12
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Mar 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

I believe John the Evangelist wrote the words concerning the vision that was given to John the Baptist.

Isa 40:6
The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry?

What was John's message?

Hugs

 

[Marty fox]

-- Beginning of Post #67 by @Marty fox:
(Quotes me saying nothing about John the Baptist or who wrote the Revelation. Quoted Ziggy talking about John the Baptist and who write the Revelation):



-- end of Post #67 by @Marty fox --



-- Beginning of Post # 72 by @ Marty Fox --



-- end of Post #72 by @Marty fox

Marty, keep going. Look at your Post #67. It's you who has been combining in one post you make, quotes of both what I said, with quotes of what others have said that have nothing to do with what I said (so as to imply I was talking about what they said).

You are only showing yourself up. Twisting again. But not very well. You should stop playing that song and trying to do the twist while you post in these forums.

PS: I have corrected my Post #69 to quote your post I was actually replying to, rather than your post #67 where you were combining what I said with what Ziggy said that had nothing to do with what I said.
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Sorry but I’m not quite sure what happened in post 67 it was to be to Ziggy somehow yours got tied into it I’m working from an iPad probably the same thing that happened to you in your original post 69