Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

[David in NJ]

You're on the right track...but that's still a pretty vague description...kinda like telling someone "phoneman's a vanilla gorilla" - they still can't be certain which is my signature until they know what my name is.

Since the 'man of sin' is hidden, then he must be revealed - get it!

Key Phrase #1 - "mystery of iniquity"

Key Phrase #2 - "will be revealed"

will be revealed,
ἀποκαλυφθήσεται (apokalyphthēsetai)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 601: To uncover, bring to light, reveal. From apo and kalupto; to take off the cover, i.e. Disclose.

 

[Mr E]

The time of "great tribulation" and the coming false-Messiah who will exalt himself as God in Jerusalem is not here yet today. What many are claiming as the great falling away today don't understand that Paul's "strong delusion" event of 2 Thess.2 is only for the time of "great tribulation" when the pseudo-Christ arrives in Jerusalem, and is setup as God.

It was those who thought they knew the scriptures best, the “experts” and the most religious that failed to recognize the Christ when he came—- and called him a false messiah.

 

[Davy]

If that is what you want to believe.............

Not about what I 'want to believe', it's simply about the FACT that Christ's coming to die on the cross, and the "great tribulation" prophetic EVENTS Jesus gave are two SEPARATE BIBLE SUBJECTS.

So if you want to try and enter that argument, you need to get your facts straight instead of showing your stupid mocking bias out of the blue.

 

[Davy]

Well, the LORD made it a lot easier for us = 2 Thess ch2

Also, as you know, the Beast System in worldwide and is a Corporate Body of Rebellion/Apostacy.

The last element/piece of the puzzle is the 'man of sin' who will attach himself to the System when the LORD allows for his rising.

The Babylon Harlot PER GOD'S WORD IN REVELATION is a "great city", NOT Christ's Church. If you were not listening to false Jews and their false religion then you would have known this.

Rev 17:3-5
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
KJV

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That means JERUSALEM for the END.

But you, like some others here, can't even stay in Bible Scripture long enough to grasp Truth like the above Scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Not about what I 'want to believe', it's simply about the FACT that Christ's coming to die on the cross, and the "great tribulation" prophetic EVENTS Jesus gave are two SEPARATE BIBLE SUBJECTS.

So if you want to try and enter that argument, you need to get your facts straight instead of showing your stupid mocking bias out of the blue.

i never disputed that so..........................

 

[Lizbeth]

You are still pushing false history. The "great tribulation" Jesus mentioned is linked with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL prophecy He quoted from the Book of Daniel. What is that "abomination of desolation" prophecy from the Book of Daniel about?

Per Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11 regarding the "vile person", at Daniel 11:31 the placing of the abomination that maketh desolate is to happen inside a standing Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem. We know Antiochus did not fulfill that, even though he served as a 'type' for the "vile person". The way we know for certain that prophecy has not yet been fulfilled is because about 200 years later, Jesus quoted that Daniel prophecy for a later time (Matthew 24:15).

And further, just what happened in 70 A.D. with the Roman's destruction of the 2nd temple and Jerusalem? The Romans had attempted to capture... the Jew's temple, but a fire started inside the temple, and burned down before the Romans could capture it. So there was NO idol abomination placed inside that temple in 70 A.D., meaning the Romans DID NOT FULFILL the Daniel 11:31 prophecy that Jesus quoted. And that means, look for a later example, which still today has not yet appeared.

Like I said, those you are listening to have their history and Bible understanding all messed up.

Just a couple of things I would like to point out. One is that an idol isn't necessarily a "statue". Two, the Roman army consisted of men from many nations. Of course, because it was an empire consisting of many nations.

Oh and will mention a third point actually - regarding something I think it was you said the church is not a city. I apologize for not keeping up...i can only manage spot reading and limited posting these days. I'm not young, my mind is slow, and I need to try and stay focused on my own little part. The church is certainly likened to a city in scripture, the Jerusalem that is above (bride) and she is our mother. An apostate spiritually adulterous church likewise has a mother too, "mother of harlots"...also called a great city. They are one and the same...the mother of harlots is the mother above that has gone astray, in effect (except for a remnant). But we need to understand these things in spirit. Ears to hear, eyes to see. It's not literal in a literal sense as concerns the church, though not sure I'm explaining this very well.

Sinful and deceived Jerusalem became a mother of harlots over time. Likewise the church....it happens over time, these things are not instant. Falling away and delusion happens as the church or Israel is lured and deceived slowly until it reaches a tipping point where God is provoked as it were, to expose and judge it. The church is being groomed and lured as we speak to eventually accept things we should have nothing to do with. It has been going on for a long time already. It's a spirit at work, gradually taking souls captive. And I believe sin opens the door to it. Sin in the camp. It gives the devil a foothold. The western church doesn't take God seriously any more and is about as sinful as the lost world, if not worse. Fornication, divorce and remarriage, addiction to pornography, greed, etc. The bible refers to the "decetifulness of sin" and "deceitfulness of wealth".

 

[David in NJ]

The Babylon Harlot PER GOD'S WORD IN REVELATION is a "great city", NOT Christ's Church. If you were not listening to false Jews and their false religion then you would have known this.

Rev 17:3-5
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
KJV

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That means JERUSALEM for the END.

But you, like some others here, can't even stay in Bible Scripture long enough to grasp Truth like the above Scripture.

Good Morning Davy,

Did you have your coffee this morning?

Some of us like fresh juice in the morning and then a cup-of-joe a little later.

 

[Timtofly]

Since the 'man of sin' is hidden, then he must be revealed - get it!

Key Phrase #1 - "mystery of iniquity"

Key Phrase #2 - "will be revealed"

will be revealed,
ἀποκαλυφθήσεται (apokalyphthēsetai)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 601: To uncover, bring to light, reveal. From apo and kalupto; to take off the cover, i.e. Disclose.

How well is Satan hidden? Satan is your angel masquerading as a man.

Amil have him on a long chain, claiming he is bound. Will Amil be the one's doing the revealing?

Seems like at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal, all spiritual blindness will be removed. All will see, after all the works of earth are burned up, and Satan has a plan to restore people's desires, and I guess needs as well.

 

[Davy]

Just a couple of things I would like to point out. One is that an idol isn't necessarily a "statue". Two, the Roman army consisted of men from many nations. Of course, because it was an empire consisting of many nations.

When God's Word points to an IDOL involved in the temple, it means an IDOL in false worship. That is what the "abomination that maketh desolate" is about. It's not about a Cracker Jacks wrapper left in the temple court by Roman soldiers, nor any such idea as only a 'symbol'. At the end of Revelation 13 we are actually shown the IDOL that future abomination event will include, the "image of the beast".

Rev 13:14-15
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

So instead of your listening to men's created doctrines that go against God's written Word, you might want to go back and study your Old Testament histories, because the reason why Christ put references to old Babylon in His Revelation is so we would know what the coming final Antichrist will do at the end of this world. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, setup a gold IDOL image of himself, and demanded that all bow in worship to it, or be killed. So you don't see that parallel in the Revelation 13 Scripture above?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Satanists are known to engage in some of the most debauched activities in the name of "worship" which include sex orgies, human blood sacraments, and even (reportedly) human sacrifice. How would Christians feel if overnight they all decided to rename these pavilions of perdition the "Temple of Christ"? Would any Christian refer to them as such?

So, why do Christians insist that God would inspire Paul to refer to a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem - in which the resumption of animal sacrifices and offerings would be a collective Jewish middle finger in the face of God and the Messiah to which the sacrificial system pointed - as the "Temple of God"???

Ask the Protestant Reformers what Paul was talking about when he said "Temple of God" - it's got nothing to do with Jerusalem.

Satanic ritual (human) sacrifices have been taking place underground at the Temple Mount for a long time in preparation and anticipation of their "enlightened one."

 

[Davy]

Good Morning Davy,

Did you have your coffee this morning?

Some of us like fresh juice in the morning and then a cup-of-joe a little later.

I get up on the right side of the bed, like I do every morning. And I fish out of the RIGHT side of the boat, like Jesus said to do.

 

[David in NJ]

I get up on the right side of the bed, like I do every morning. And I fish out of the RIGHT side of the boat, like Jesus said to do.

You are welcome to come fishing together with the LORD.

We can fish for men and i also have a 17' boat that we can fish for food/fun together.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Since Trump will probably have roughly 40 to 50 indictments against him in the lost-it's-way USA, will he simply renounce his US citizenship and seek asylum in Israel where he has a high approval rating? Israel even has billboards with Trump's image. He could then run for Prime Minister. And, since he is a builder, and has greatly wanted to be the mastermind behind a peace deal of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, e.g., Abraham Accords, he could then be the one to negotiate an agreement to have the 3rd Temple built. Is it possible? Remember, Trump pulled off the impossible in 2016, and then with the historic Abraham Accords.

In the USA, the entire system is rigged and doing everything to stop him. Accordingly, there seems no possible way for Trump to escape all of these indictments. He would be found guilty of at least a few of them, and most likely facing jail time. He could negotiate with prosecutors to renounce his citizenship and then seek asylum in Israel.

Full disclosure: I am not a Trump supporter, just an observant. I voted for him in 2016. I did not vote for anyone in 2020. He's certainly better than what we have now, but that isn't saying much.

If Trump did negotiate the third temple being built ..would he sit in it too?

 

[Mr E]

If Trump did negotiate the third temple being built ..would he sit in it too?

"Leaders" always talk and posture about "a two-state solution" which of course would have to be also a two-temple solution.

Previous Presidents always talked the talk, but never did the things they said they supported. Trump was the one who officially recognized Jerusalem as the Capitol and moved the embassy from Tel Aviv there, as promised.

Don't underestimate what could happen.


In 1995, Congress adopted the Jerusalem Embassy Act, urging the federal government to relocate the American embassy to Jerusalem and to recognize that that city — and so importantly — is Israel’s capital. This act passed Congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority and was reaffirmed by a unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago.

Yet, for over 20 years, every previous American president has exercised the law’s waiver, refusing to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem or to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city.

Statement by Former President Trump on Jerusalem

Diplomatic Reception Room 1:07 P.M. EST THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. When I came into office, I promised to look at the world’s challenges with open eyes and

il.usembassy.gov

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"Leaders" always talk and posture about "a two-state solution" which of course would have to be also a two-temple solution.

Previous Presidents always talked the talk, but never did the things they said they supported. Trump was the one who officially recognized Jerusalem as the Capitol and moved the embassy from Tel Aviv there, as promised.

Don't underestimate what could happen.


In 1995, Congress adopted the Jerusalem Embassy Act, urging the federal government to relocate the American embassy to Jerusalem and to recognize that that city — and so importantly — is Israel’s capital. This act passed Congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority and was reaffirmed by a unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago.

Yet, for over 20 years, every previous American president has exercised the law’s waiver, refusing to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem or to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city.

I don’t doubt it could happen. I’m just wondering what that would mean for Trump.

 

[Mr E]

I don’t doubt it could happen. I’m just wondering what that would mean for Trump.

He's a facilitator.

The right question is-- what happens next?

Sacrifices! Let's do sacrifices! The saddest thing ever is that there are so many Christians who see this as the right direction. Like restoring the temple and the sacrificial system is some sort of solution.

 

[Lizbeth]

When God's Word points to an IDOL involved in the temple, it means an IDOL in false worship. That is what the "abomination that maketh desolate" is about. It's not about a Cracker Jacks wrapper left in the temple court by Roman soldiers, nor any such idea as only a 'symbol'. At the end of Revelation 13 we are actually shown the IDOL that future abomination event will include, the "image of the beast".

Rev 13:14-15
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

So instead of your listening to men's created doctrines that go against God's written Word, you might want to go back and study your Old Testament histories, because the reason why Christ put references to old Babylon in His Revelation is so we would know what the coming final Antichrist will do at the end of this world. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, setup a gold IDOL image of himself, and demanded that all bow in worship to it, or be killed. So you don't see that parallel in the Revelation 13 Scripture above?

What I mean is that there are other things that God calls abomination. And I suspect the following is what most likely applies to the abomination of desolation:


Isa 66:1-7

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. (as we know Israel rejected the new covenant and the High Priest of it, and chose instead to continue in their sins and in the old covenant temple sacrifices, while persecuting the church of the new covenant.)

Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. (Israel gave birth to Christ before her labour pains came upon her in 70AD)

 

[David in NJ]

He's a facilitator.

The right question is-- what happens next?

Sacrifices! Let's do sacrifices! The saddest thing ever is that there are so many Christians who see this as the right direction. Like restoring the temple and the sacrificial system is some sort of solution.

@Mr E says:
"The saddest thing ever is that there are so many Christians who see this as the right direction."

This must be spoken LOUD and CLEAR = everyday

 

[VictoryinJesus]

He's a facilitator.

The right question is-- what happens next?

Sacrifices! Let's do sacrifices! The saddest thing ever is that there are so many Christians who see this as the right direction. Like restoring the temple and the sacrificial system is some sort of solution.

If he facilitated it …scary thing is considering how his approval rate would skyrocket? No?

 

[Mr E]

If he facilitated it …scary thing is considering how his approval rate would skyrocket? No?

No.

Half the country and most of the world-- HATE Israel. At best he would prop up support among Christian evangelical zionists and some Jews (only the religious ones). Zealots all.

It wouldn't be a popular move-- but it would be a move in a certain direction.