Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?

[Stumpmaster]

What does your first line mean? If you are opposed to God you are for Satan not opposed and vice versa.

AYMK (As You May Know) Opposition to God and His Purposes and His People began with Satan, who recruits whomever he can to join him in such opposition.

My point is that due to the continuum of opposition to God, opposition from God is inevitable and justified, culminating in His final Judgment.

2Th 2:3-4 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, (4) who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

2Ti 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, (25) in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, (26) and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

 

[BlessedPeace]

"Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?"

Probably for the same reason He allows Satan's children running rampant now.

And that reason why is
......?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Job 38:7
Morning stars

Isaiah 14:12
son of the morning

Rev 12:9
Dragon, serpent, Devil, Satan

Rev 22:15
Bright and morning star

Col 1:15
Invisible God

Col 1:17
Jesus before all things

Glory to God,
Taken

Lucifer and Jesus are referred to as the bright and morning star.

I can't immediately recall, is it the Mormons or the JW who believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers?

 

[Taken]

Lucifer and Jesus are referred to as the bright and morning star.

Disagree.

Stars (that Humans “can see”) against a darkened sky, is purposed for Humans to get a perspective of the magnitude of the number of “holy spirit servants” that faithfully serve God, including serving Humans, on Gods Behalf.

Morning STAR(S) plural.
Job 38:
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
sons of God, (plural), spirits, angels, holy, heavenly servants of God, observing the earth being establish, before manKIND was manifested. .


Lucifer AND One other…(whose name was initially kept secret), WERE “the” morning StarS

Lucifer LOST his “status” of morning star, and “estate”, and “holiness”, and “name”, etc.
when “he” (being the First to) TURN the TRUTH of God into a LIE, essentially, Killing Gods Truth.

His Name, became Satan, his estate Earth, his description, Serpent, Devil, father of Lies, Murderer, devouring lion, anti-Christ, etc.

The faithful Holy Morning Star’s name Was Later Revealed: Jesus, Lion of the tribe of Judah, Light of the World, Savior, Holy Son, etc. AND…

The Bright and (The) Morning Star…
(Singular)
(Lucifer is no longer BRIGHT or THE Morning Star and definitely NOT…I Jesus or I am.)
Rev 22:
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

I can't immediately recall, is it the Mormons or the JW who believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers?

I am not mormon, nor study their extra-Biblical book or their teachings.

I do understand, Gods established and named “relationships” among men, and reference “similitudes” of mens relationship WITH God, and mens relationships among men: who DO share a BOND, BECAUSE of their individual relationship WITH God and WITH the Lord Christ Jesus.

As well, BY default, beyond the relationship among men….ALL are OF the “Human Race”.
And Yet there IS a division within the Human Race, called Jews and Gentiles.

While “BROTHER” has a broad stroke meaning among men, IN Scripture and to this day…

Scripturally…”BRETHREN”…is typically a reference to:
* Gods People by natural birth (Hebrews, Tribes, generally A RACE; today, all called Jews).
* Gentiles “who have Converted” (not to the religion of Judaism), but rather Converted from having a “natural spirit born of a mans seed”….to a …”spiritual everlasting spirit born of Gods Seed”, thus having GAINED, become INCLUDED to having the ‘title’ “sons OF God”, “brethren OF Jesus”. (Forgiv-en, Crucifi-ed with Jesus, Cleans-ed, Sanctifi-ed, Sav-ed, Quicken-ed, Born Again, Having receiv-ed the Bright and Morning Star, etc.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And that reason why is
......?

Option for manKIND:
to Know, to Discriminate, to Choose;
Between THIS and THAT.
What to be in Standing with, adjoined with, bonded with…

Between GOOD and EVIL.
Between….
GOOD…GOOD
OR
EVIL…D-EVIL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm not sure if we can say this with any certainty. Unless it was revealed to someone by God directly as it isn't stated in the records within the bible that I know of. Some may assume he was.

Speculation by using the extremely limited information from the very limited bible book doesn't make me certain Lucifer was the first to sin against the Creators. But he could have been.

How can we know for sure? Can we talk to an eyewitness and get their accountant of what really happened?

Well, we have the evidence of Scripture.

Lucifer aka Satan, aka the serpent and dragon, swept 1/3 of the spirit creatures (angels, cherubs, seraphs) with His tail. So Lucifer fell before any other spirit being did.

Lucifer aka the serpent had already fallen when he tempted Eve into the garden. So he had sinned before mankind did.

So unless you wish to speculate on some ET"S in some distant galaxy sinning, and God keeping it from us, the Bible strongly indicates Lucifer was the first to fall.

As for eyewitness, God was there and He told us of the account in Isaiah and Ezekiel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is not the origin of sin though.

Bible Dictionary: Sin

Keep in mind,you are saying Lucifer transgressed,sinned,while on Heaven. That final destination for all Christians who have been saved from their sins.

Well in the technical you are correct. Sin was founs in Lucifers heart, but it did not say where that sin came from other than it ws found in his heart.

As implied by the verses on Lucifers rebellion, angels as well as man were created with the power of contrary choice aka free will. the ability to obey and/or disobey God. Lucifer decided in his heart to disobey god, as did Adam and Eve.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

AYMK (As You May Know) Opposition to God and His Purposes and His People began with Satan, who recruits whomever he can to join him in such opposition.

My point is that due to the continuum of opposition to God, opposition from God is inevitable and justified, culminating in His final Judgment.

2Th 2:3-4 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, (4) who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

2Ti 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, (25) in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, (26) and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Thank you . You have made it much clearer.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Well in the technical you are correct. Sin was founs in Lucifers heart, but it did not say where that sin came from other than it ws found in his heart.

As implied by the verses on Lucifers rebellion, angels as well as man were created with the power of contrary choice aka free will. the ability to obey and/or disobey God. Lucifer decided in his heart to disobey god, as did Adam and Eve.

Ezekiel 20:11
I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live.

Source: 10 Bible verses about The Law Given By God

By one man,Adam,sin entered the world. Sin prior to Adam was found in Lucifer. Where the,when Lucifer was in Heaven,did sin come from?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Ezekiel 20:11
I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live.

Source: 10 Bible verses about The Law Given By God

By one man,Adam,sin entered the world. Sin prior to Adam was found in Lucifer. Where the,when Lucifer was in Heaven,did sin come from?

Short answer, PRIDE.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Short answer, PRIDE.

I don't think you understood the question.

What is the origin of sin? Source of sin?

 

[Stumpmaster]

I don't think you understood the question.

What is the origin of sin? Source of sin?

Yeah, it's pride according to the Bible. Lucifer became lifted up with pride.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yeah, it's pride according to the Bible. Lucifer became lifted up with pride.

Pride is not the source ,the Genesis,of sin. Pride is a sin.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Pride is not the source ,the Genesis,of sin. Pride is a sin.

There was no sin prior to Lucifer's fall.

 

[BlessedPeace]

There was no sin prior to Lucifer's fall.

There was no law in Heaven?

 

[Stumpmaster]

There was no law in Heaven?

Yes, In heaven OBEDIENCE was and is mandatory, which mandate Lucifer was first to violate.

See comparisons in Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28

Isa 14:12-15 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! (13) For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; (14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' (15) Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.

Eze 28:14-15 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. (15) You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.

Quote: In the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible, in the book of Job 38:33, it is written:

“Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?” 1

This verse emphasizes the existence of divine laws governing the universe. It acknowledges that there are ordained principles that shape the cosmos and maintain order. The concept of law in heaven underscores the idea that creation operates under a structured framework, guided by divine wisdom.
Additionally, in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus speaks about the connection between earthly actions and heavenly consequences. In Matthew 18:18, He states:

“Whatever you bind on earth shall have already been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have already been loosed in heaven.” 2

This passage suggests that our actions on earth align with heavenly principles. Choices made here have spiritual implications, and there is a harmonious relationship between the earthly and heavenly realms.
Furthermore, obedience is often described as the first law of heaven. It was decreed that blessings are predicated upon obedience, and our willingness to obey is tested during our mortal existence 3. Thus, the concept of law extends beyond the physical universe to encompass moral and spiritual dimensions.
In summary, the Bible alludes to both physical laws governing the heavens and spiritual laws that guide our conduct, emphasizing the interconnectedness between the earthly and heavenly realms. [BingChat]

 

[Hobie]

Well, we have the evidence of Scripture.

Lucifer aka Satan, aka the serpent and dragon, swept 1/3 of the spirit creatures (angels, cherubs, seraphs) with His tail. So Lucifer fell before any other spirit being did.

Lucifer aka the serpent had already fallen when he tempted Eve into the garden. So he had sinned before mankind did.

So unless you wish to speculate on some ET"S in some distant galaxy sinning, and God keeping it from us, the Bible strongly indicates Lucifer was the first to fall.

As for eyewitness, God was there and He told us of the account in Isaiah and Ezekiel.

Thats pretty much the case...

 

[Jack]

And that reason why is
......?

All I know is that God doesn't ask permission to do anything.

 

[BlessedPeace]

All I know is that God doesn't ask permission to do anything.

True.
Everything is of and from God. Everything.

 

[Jack]

True.
Everything is of and from God. Everything.

Very well said!!!