There is no spiritual gift called "the gift of tongues".

[Keiw]

Concerning the jehovah's witnesses occasionally have something correct to say.... even a broken clock is right twice a day and even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut View attachment 41096

It's all the other unbiblical stuff the jw's add to the bible that makes them a cult.

I hope you get set free from the jw's sooner rather than later because... these are YO last days and time is running out. View attachment 41097

I know100% undeniable fact that Jesus is with the JW,s, You best relook sir. The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth back the JW teachers--You should learn them. I shared 2 important ones with you yet you obviously reject them even though they are in every translation on earth. So who is in error? Jesus or you?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I know100% undeniable fact that jesus is with the JW,s

No, that's the fake jesus that's been going around... a religious devil, and angel of light with false light.

The real Jesus teaches God's Word... not stuff put out by the witchtower bible society

 

[Jay Ross]

In the early 20th century, when Pentecostals began to expand their idea that they were being anointed with spirit and given the ability to speak in tongues, some leaders among them went to African territories in order to teach their doctrine. These religious people really believed that they could speak in the languages of the lands of Africa because of the power of the spirit in them, so they went there excited... to realize at their arrival there that they had to learn the languages of the people by studying and communicating with them, like any mortal has to do. They did not have any gift of tongues, nor had they received the holy spirit as the disciples of Jesus received in the first century. That idea was an illusion and to this day it remains so.

The holy spirit today operates in many different ways, some similar to those in the first century, but others different, but the miraculous works of the spirit in the first century are no longer necessary today to demonstrate that we have the spirit of God or that our congregation is the true one that Jesus leads from heaven, because there are other ways to show that Jesus is really with us and our congregation of brothers, and that the spirit of God supports us (Matt. 28:19,20; John 13:34,35; Gal. 5:22,23).

One of the problems with missionary endeavours is that missionaries want to talk at people rather than talk with people.

I understand why God did not empower the Pentecostal missionaries at that time with the gift of tongues because the heart attitude of the Pentecostal missionaries was not right with God when they left to go to African countries.

In 2002 I did a Bible Colledge course on how to convey the Gospel cross culturally and many of the textbooks back then spoke about searching for keys that would enable the missionary to talk at people with the Gospel Message rather than to talk with them.

In any good communication model, the two parties in the conversation need to be able to learn from each other so that they can have effective communication. This process can take a long time for the participants to be able to fully understand the other person in the conversation.

In my example above of the two ladies on the bus talking in tongues, they were not there to talk at or with the people. The were simply just talking in tongues as the Lord led them to speak. The outcome that they reported was that many of the people on the bus began to cry and they began praying loudly as is the case with Pacific Islander people.

The two ladies knew that something significant had happened on the bus and when they got of that bus, they just praised God because of what had happened. They were not concerned about how many people had been impacted by their talking in tongues or if any of them had been saved. They just praised God that He had used them and their speaking in tongues so that His Glory could be seen by those on the bus.

They were open to God using them in however He saw fit to do. They did not limit God as to how He could use them or the purposes that He had for them on the pacific island that they had visited.

 

[Keiw]

No, that's the fake jesus that's been going around... a religious devil, and angel of light with false light.

The real Jesus teaches God's Word... not stuff put out by the witchtower bible society View attachment 41120

Obviously you don't know Gods word because JW,s are taught every utterance from God. You must have missed this-1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. I know 10 year olds who can understand no division. So why can't trinity religionsssssss, they've only had centuries to learn that simple bible milk which is a true mark of the 1 religion that has Jesus. Strange isn't it the JW,s pass it 100% while trinity religions miss it 100%. Why is that?

 

[BlessedPeace]

In the early 20th century, when Pentecostals began to expand their idea that they were being anointed with spirit and given the ability to speak in tongues, some leaders among them went to African territories in order to teach their doctrine. These religious people really believed that they could speak in the languages of the lands of Africa because of the power of the spirit in them, so they went there excited... to realize at their arrival there that they had to learn the languages of the people by studying and communicating with them, like any mortal has to do. They did not have any gift of tongues, nor had they received the holy spirit as the disciples of Jesus received in the first century. That idea was an illusion and to this day it remains so.

The holy spirit today operates in many different ways, some similar to those in the first century, but others different, but the miraculous works of the spirit in the first century are no longer necessary today to demonstrate that we have the spirit of God or that our congregation is the true one that Jesus leads from heaven, because there are other ways to show that Jesus is really with us and our congregation of brothers, and that the spirit of God supports us (Matt. 28:19,20; John 13:34,35; Gal. 5:22,23).

I'm always amazed how some think they are assured and able to tell people what God shall not do. Can not do,again.

 

[Davy]

Yes. All the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit have ceased, i.e.; prophesy, tongues, etc. All those things (gifts) listed in 1Cor 12:8-10

Once again, you deny what the 1 Corinthians 13:8 verse says.

 

[Davy]

Stop being silly and immature, misjudging me of telling lies.

Why are you ignorant to the fact for not reading carefully my reply, i mentioned on the day of Pentecost they received, 'Tongues of men' ??

You said, and I quote:
"They are not gibberish, but have meaning. that's why they are to be interpreted to the common language in a gathering. They are angelic tongues making intercession between saints/church and GOD, not individual."

Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 thru 14 was not speaking of angelic tongues. That idea is one that those speak gibberish came up with. So you are showing support for THEIR idea by what you said above.

1 Cor 12:10
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV

Paul is not speaking about the 'cloven tongue' above, but about one given the gift of known languages of the world and the interpretation of them. Apostle Paul himself spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, and the popular Greek of the day, and most likely was familiar with what was spoken in Rome in his day also, since he was prisoner in his own house in Rome for two years.

1 Cor 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
KJV

There it is again above, the idea of known languages of the world, not gibberish.

1 Cor 13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
KJV

That is where those who speak a 'gibberish' speech and claim it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost get their idea of angelic tongues. They wrongly ASSUME Paul is pointing to the cloven tongue of Pentecost by that "of angels" phrase, when he is not. Paul is only giving a hypothetical example AGAINST speaking anything that is not UNDERSTOOD.

Further in that same 1 Cor.13 chapter, Paul even clarifies just what he meant by the idea of "tongues"...

1 Cor 13:8
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
KJV

The subject of that above verse is the passing away of those things of THIS PRESENT WORLD. Paul is not pointing to the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost with that above. He is pointing to known languages of the world today passing away with this present world.

In the world to come, God said He is going to turn us to speaking "a pure language", pointing to the one tongue that all nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event, and that is what the true cloven tongue of Pentecost is...

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

Men's doctrines that says the true cloven tongue of Pentecost no longer manifests today do not understand the above. The cloven tongue is actually about that future "pure language" of the world to come, and it certainly cannot pass away with this present world.

 

[Fred J]

You said, and I quote:
"They are not gibberish, but have meaning. that's why they are to be interpreted to the common language in a gathering. They are angelic tongues making intercession between saints/church and GOD, not individual."

Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 thru 14 was not speaking of angelic tongues. That idea is one that those speak gibberish came up with. So you are showing support for THEIR idea by what you said above.

1 Cor 12:10
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV

Paul is not speaking about the 'cloven tongue' above, but about one given the gift of known languages of the world and the interpretation of them. Apostle Paul himself spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, and the popular Greek of the day, and most likely was familiar with what was spoken in Rome in his day also, since he was prisoner in his own house in Rome for two years.

1 Cor 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
KJV

There it is again above, the idea of known languages of the world, not gibberish.

1 Cor 13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
KJV

That is where those who speak a 'gibberish' speech and claim it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost get their idea of angelic tongues. They wrongly ASSUME Paul is pointing to the cloven tongue of Pentecost by that "of angels" phrase, when he is not. Paul is only giving a hypothetical example AGAINST speaking anything that is not UNDERSTOOD.

Further in that same 1 Cor.13 chapter, Paul even clarifies just what he meant by the idea of "tongues"...

1 Cor 13:8
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
KJV

The subject of that above verse is the passing away of those things of THIS PRESENT WORLD. Paul is not pointing to the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost with that above. He is pointing to known languages of the world today passing away with this present world.

In the world to come, God said He is going to turn us to speaking "a pure language", pointing to the one tongue that all nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event, and that is what the true cloven tongue of Pentecost is...

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

Men's doctrines that says the true cloven tongue of Pentecost no longer manifests today do not understand the above. The cloven tongue is actually about that future "pure language" of the world to come, and it certainly cannot pass away with this present world.

Apparently, thinking you're wise, deliberately you skipped chapter 14, the context.

verse 2 - 'For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.'

'Are they(angels) not all ministering spirits, .........................................' (Hebrews1:14)

'...................................................., but are as the angels which are in Heaven.' (Mark12:25)

Now, what do you say then, are they the same tongue?

Nope!

The tongues that fell on the day of Pentecost are tongues of men, spoken unto men of all nation in the open. And, the gift of tongues given in the gathering of saints, are the tongues of angels, for praying and singing and blessing, spoken unto GOD.

Verse 13 - 'Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.'

Verse 16 - 'Else when thou shall bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?'

 

[Davy]

Apparently, thinking you're wise, deliberately you skipped chapter 14, the context.

I didn't skip anything. You simply BYPASSED what I showed.

verse 2 - 'For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.'

'Are they(angels) not all ministering spirits, .........................................' (Hebrews1:14)

'...................................................., but are as the angels which are in Heaven.' (Mark12:25)

Now, what do you say then, are they the same tongue?

That is a BLATANT BUTCHERY OF GOD'S WORD ABOVE!

The word "unknown" in 1 Cor.14:2 is NOT IN THE GREEK TEXTS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT! Go do your homework!

Paul was speaking of known languages of the world (which that word "tongue" there is Greek glossa which means known languages of the world). If we pray in our own 'tongue' (language), and even if no one present understands our language, then Who would still hear and understand us? GOD of course. He knows how we speak and hear! THAT... is what Apostle Paul is saying there.

The tongues that fell on the day of Pentecost are tongues of men, spoken unto men of all nation in the open. And, the gift of tongues given in the gathering of saints, are the tongues of angels, for praying and singing, spoken unto GOD.

Verse 13 - 'Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.'

Verse 16 - 'Else when thou shall bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?'

You still do not understand. The 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is NOT the "tongues of men", it manifested as known languages, but the 'cloven tongue' is actually about the one tongue that ALL... nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event! Don't Christ's people read their Old Testament anymore? Good grief! See Genesis 11.

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

 

[Fred J]

You still do not understand.

Seriously! do you??

The 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is NOT the "tongues of men", it manifested as known languages,

How those people who were there from other nation dwelling, understood that these Galileans were speaking in their own tongues, the wonderful works of GOD?.

'And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under Heaven. Now when this was noise abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, "Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene. and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of GOD." (Acts2:5-11)

NOT the 'tongues of men', it manifested as known languages??

It manifested within the listeners as known languages, without scripture quote??

Or plainly every man heard them speak in his own language, with scripture quote??

but the 'cloven tongue' is actually about the one tongue that ALL... nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event!
KJV

Gibberish nonsense!

'For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD, for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.' (1Corinthians14:2)

If you want to come to terms with the scripture, 'as it is 'written', am for you. If not, am no friends with 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' of a different gospel.

Apparently, for the Lord our GOD forbids, as we are to know them by their fruit.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Apparently, thinking you're wise, deliberately you skipped chapter 14, the context.

verse 2 - 'For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.'

'Are they(angels) not all ministering spirits, .........................................' (Hebrews1:14)

'...................................................., but are as the angels which are in Heaven.' (Mark12:25)

Now, what do you say then, are they the same tongue?

Nope!

The tongues that fell on the day of Pentecost are tongues of men, spoken unto men of all nation in the open. And, the gift of tongues given in the gathering of saints, are the tongues of angels, for praying and singing, spoken unto GOD.

Verse 13 - 'Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.'

Verse 16 - 'Else when thou shall bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?'

Be careful. When you prove to know more than Davy,he'll set you,blessedly, to ignore.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

JW,s are taught every utterance from God

You mean like... Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser god.

That's the spirit of anti-christ working in you... you should REPENT

 

[Davy]

Seriously! do you??

How those people who were there from other nation dwelling, understood that these Galileans were speaking in their own tongues, the wonderful works of GOD?.

'And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under Heaven. Now when this was noise abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, "Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene. and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of GOD." (Acts2:5-11)

NOT the 'tongues of men', it manifested as known languages??

It manifested within the listeners as known languages, without scripture quote??

Or plainly every man heard them speak in his own language, with scripture quote??

Gibberish nonsense!

'For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD, for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.' (1Corinthians14:2)

If you want to come to terms with the scripture, 'as it is 'written', am for you. If not, am no friends with 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' of a different gospel.

Apparently, for the Lord our GOD forbids, as we are to know them by their fruit.

The word "unknown" in 1 Cor.14:2 is NOT IN THE GREEK TEXTS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT! Go do your homework!

Paul was speaking of known languages of the world (which that word "tongue" there is Greek glossa which means known languages of the world). If we pray in our own 'tongue' (language), and even if no one present understands our language, then Who would still hear and understand us? GOD of course. He knows how we speak and hear! THAT... is what Apostle Paul is saying there.

You still do not understand. The 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is NOT the "tongues of men", it manifested as known languages; the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is actually about the one tongue that ALL... nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event! Don't Christ's people read their Old Testament anymore? Good grief! See Genesis 11.


Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

 

[DJT_47]

Once again, you deny what the 1 Corinthians 13:8 verse says.

I don't deny it at all, in fact I embrace it 100% and quote it according. Here it is.

1 Cor 13:8

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

 

[David in NJ]

There is, unfortunately, a rather common misconception among professing Christians, of a supposed spiritual gift called “the gift of tongues” in the church of the Lord Jesus Christ. When the truth of the Word of God is presented unto such people, many of them will shut their ears, cast the truth behind their backs, and judge themselves unworthy of everlasting life. Even as the Lord Jesus testified of the stiffnecked Jews in the days of his flesh saying that:

"...This people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
— (Matthew 13:15).

The supposed “gift of tongues” only serves one purpose; and that is to cause confusion. Wherefore it is written in the scriptures:

"If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God..."
— (1 Peter 4:11).

And again:

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."
— (Proverbs 3:5).

Jesus Christ said:

"...If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
— (John 8:31-32).

It is also written:

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
— (Isaiah 8:20).

Having said this, the scriptures testify that:

"...When the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."
— (Acts 2:1-11).

This is what the Word of God says; that they began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. When this was noised abroad, the Jews who were out of many nations under heaven, heard these tongues and they understood them.

This is that which will happen when men and women receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. They will:

"...Speak with tongues, and magnify God..."
— (Acts 10:46).

And this is a sign which will follow those that believe! For it is written that Jesus Christ said:

"...These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues..."
— (Mark 16:17).

And Peter said that the promise is:

"...Unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
— (Acts 2:39).

Friends, this is the gift of the Holy Ghost. Christ in you, the hope of glory. All christians have this gift. It is written:

"...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
— (Romans 8:9).

Now, concerning spiritual gifts:

"...There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
— (1 Corinthians 12:4-11).

We can see from the scripture that one of these spiritual gifts is a gift called divers kinds of tongues. It is followed with another spiritual gift called interpretation of tongues. Wherefore, there is no spiritual gift which causes Christians to speak with tongues called "the gift of tongues". But, there is a gift called divers kinds of tongues which causes some Christians to speak with diversities of tongues. Which means many different kinds of tongues, not just one. Though every Christian has the gift of the Holy Ghost (for if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his), not every Christian has the gift of divers kinds of tongues; or the gift of interpretation of tongues. This is why it is written in the scripture that God:

"...Hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?"
— (1 Corinthians 12:28-30).

But alas, some people subconsciously remove the words “divers kinds” which changes the definition of the entire gift; this is a dangerous thing indeed. We should be very careful with how we speak the Word of God. For it is written:

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
— (Deuteronomy 4:2).

Furthermore, the same spiritual gifts are not given to everyone in the church. Because:

"...As the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: and those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: that there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it."
— (1 Corinthians 12:12-26).

When a man speaks with tongues, whether by the gift of the Holy Ghost or by the gift of diversities of tongues, he will not understand what he is uttering… Read more here:

The gift of tongues? — There is no such thing!

There is, unfortunately, a rather common misconception among professing Christians, of a supposed spiritual gift called “the gift of tongues” in the church of the Lord Jesus Christ. When the truth of the Word of God is presented unto such people, many of them will shut their ears, cast the truth...

telegra.ph

How does it feel to be a false teacher?

A little hot underfoot................it will get a lot hotter very soon.

 

[Fred J]

Be careful. When you prove to know more than Davy,he'll set you,blessedly, to ignore.

Noted, tks, nevertheless, do i have to be men pleaser or GOD pleaser?

Am not proving to know more than anyone, for the Scripture authority speaks for itself. And, am plainly witnessing as it is written, and supposedly, 'iron sharpens iron', but am incurring many masters. (James3;1)

Let it be GOD is the truth and men are liars. For it is written, 'GOD is not a man, that HE should lie; neither the son of man, that HE should repent: hath HE said, and shall HE not do it? or hath HE spoken, and shall HE not make it good?'

Even though it seem to go not in a good direction, but from behind the scene, readers, even one or two or more, do gain the truth from the error.

Jesus is not about 'quantity' believers, as He said, many will say to Him on that day in vain. But, He is all about 'quality' believers. As it is written, 'For many are called, but few are chosen'.

 

[David in NJ]

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You mean like... Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser god.

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Great Post = and ALL TRUE

 

[Fred J]

The word "unknown" in 1 Cor.14:2 is NOT IN THE GREEK TEXTS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT! Go do your homework!

Paul was speaking of known languages of the world (which that word "tongue" there is Greek glossa which means known languages of the world). If we pray in our own 'tongue' (language), and even if no one present understands our language, then Who would still hear and understand us? GOD of course. He knows how we speak and hear! THAT... is what Apostle Paul is saying there.

You still do not understand. The 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is NOT the "tongues of men", it manifested as known languages; the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is actually about the one tongue that ALL... nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event! Don't Christ's people read their Old Testament anymore? Good grief! See Genesis 11.


Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

Even after my given quotes and explanation, you deliberately twist on the contrary and manifest as Greek scholar now. For, i serve a GOD through Lord Jesus Christ, who is not an author of confusion. You may stick to your 'twisted' version, apparently we've nothing in common, no thank you.

As it is written, 'As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.'

 

[David in NJ]

Even after my given quotes and explanation, you deliberately twist on the contrary and manifest as Greek scholar now. For, i serve a GOD through Lord Jesus Christ, who is not an author of confusion. You may stick to your 'twisted' version, apparently we've nothing in common, no thank you.

As it is written, 'As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.'

The Spiritual Gift of Tongues from the HOLY SPIRIT is an "unknown" language = to men.

But not to God= 1 Corinthians 14:2

1Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him;
however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

 

[Fred J]

The Spiritual Gift of Tongues from the HOLY SPIRIT is an "unknown" language = to men.

But not to God= 1 Corinthians 14:2

1Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him;
however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

For it is written, 'Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, .........................................'

These are for real the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which Paul exactly mentions, were given to the Apostles out there, and believers in a gathering.

On the day of Pentecost the Apostles received, 'tongues of men' to serve in the field. These are languages spoken by men of all nation, as the commission of our Lord Jesus Christ given to the Apostles, and Holy Spirit to descend, must be met. They are to proclaim the Gospel and make disciples of all nation using the every languages of men imparted to them. Furthermore, instructing these men disciples, to observe all that He have commanded His Apostles.

Next, to serve believers indoors in a gathering, to some received the 'tongues of angels', languages of angels known only by GOD, not men. That is why, these some who've received them, should also pray for interpretation to the common languages of the place, to benefit all present. These languages are spoken by angels worshiping GOD in Heaven, day and night, as one day the saints will with the angels. That's why, the spiritual saints in a gathering here on earth itself, may also begin to use them with interpretation. In order, to pray, to sing and to give thanks, in worship to GOD who art in Heaven and in secret.

Wherefore, at the end, every one in the congregation who heard the meaning through the interpretation of these tongues. Therefore, now all the saints that are gathered as one body of Christ, are able to say together, Amen.