Was Jesus 'mortal' or 'immortal' ?

[Taken]

If any were to say He have no beginning, i want to ask, how come he have an ending, if He is eternal ?

? He has no beginning OR Ending.

Wasn't there a baby conceived by Mary and was covered by the Holy Spirit ?

Conception per Human’s is a Human male seed internally fertilizing a Human female egg in her Fallopian tube.

Once the egg is fertilized, by deign the fertilized egg travels to her womb, develops and is surrounded with a placenta that attaches to the females uterine (womb) wall.
The female is tHEN called “conceived” (ie pregnant).

Mary was notified she would be conceived…(pregnant) by the power of the Holy Spirit…
Not that the Holy Spirit would engage in Conception of fertilizing her Egg.
And scripture reiterates…that FACT.

John 1:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,
but of God.

 

[MatthewG]

? He has no beginning OR Ending.



Conception per Human’s is a Human male seed internally fertilizing a Human female egg in her Fallopian tube.

Once the egg is fertilized, by deign the fertilized egg travels to her womb, develops and is surrounded with a placenta that attaches to the females uterine (womb) wall.
The female is tHEN called “conceived” (ie pregnant).

Mary was notified she would be conceived…(pregnant) by the power of the Holy Spirit…
Not that the Holy Spirit would engage in Conception of fertilizing her Egg.
And scripture reiterates…that FACT.

John 1:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,
but of God.

Yo Taken,
When it comes to scripture we can claim anything a fact. If Jesus was in a flesh body and it died, that would suggest Jesus by the flesh was mortal. What was inside of him of course was eternal, which came from heaven into that body.

It’s by faith we even believe that God exist or that even the Word of God came down from heaven, born of Mary by the overshadow of the Holy Spirit of Yahava.

 

[Bob Estey]

Based on, can we have an explanation ?

I believe he was God in flesh.

 

[Taken]

Yo Taken,
When it comes to scripture we can claim anything a fact. If Jesus was in a flesh body and it died, that would suggest Jesus by the flesh was mortal. What was inside of him of course was eternal, which came from heaven into that body.

It’s by faith we even believe that God exist or that even the Word of God came down from heaven, born of Mary by the overshadow of the Holy Spirit of Yahava.

God isn’t a BODY…God IS a Spirit….God HAS a BODY.

Man isn’t a spirit…Man IS a Body…Man HAS a spirit.

Jesus’ spirit, soul, DID NOT DIE.
The BODY God prepared, was expressly prepared to be given unto DEATH.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe he was God in flesh.

Me too.

God isn’t a BODY…God IS a Spirit….God HAS a BODY.

Man isn’t a spirit…Man IS a Body…Man HAS a spirit.

Jesus’ spirit, soul, DID NOT DIE.
The BODY God prepared, was expressly prepared to be given unto DEATH.

Thank you for writing back to me. God doesn’t have a body. Yahava by His spirit dwelled within the flesh of the Lord Jesus Christ, which helped his Word be fortified all throughout his Life in the flesh of Yeshua, who by his choice did the will of his Father.

Today Yahava, indwells people by the same spirit, the Spirit of God which raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus, by his spirit dwells in those whom are of the Father as his children, or mature son or daughter of Yahava.

Just as a side note a lot of people tend to have a lot of hope that after this life they are gonna have new fleshly bodies and live in a new earth, etc. or they are gonna end up in the kingdom of heaven with flesh bodies or something odd like that.

While I believe people will meet Jesus in the afterlife, and resurrection of condemnation and resurrection of life are real resurrections of faithful and faithfulness people, I can’t see God ; except by the proclamation which is seen by looking at, you, me, mom, dad, the sky, the earth, the universe, the creation which speaks of the Creator.

In short, I believe that Jesus was God with them, by secondly named Immanuel. The very Word of God was with them, Yahava was with his Word by the spirit of Yahava. Jesus soul, the Word of God that helped came from his Father is the same for us to follow in their respective footsteps to pray to the Father, in Yeshuas name, his lessons and teachings. The Word of God has always been, and never died, however payment for sin, and giving up the body given freely to the Son. Jesus experienced death just like everyone else.

Ending up in Hell, or Sheol, for three days: as Jonah in the whale.

 

[Fred J]

I believe he was God in flesh.

flesh is mortal right?

 

[Peterlag]

'And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth.' (John 1:14)

'And also written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.' (1 Corinthians 15:45)

'The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from Heaven.' (1 Corinthians 15:47)


How can we witness to others using the sound doctrine knowledge of the Holy Bible, if such a question arise ?

You have 3 verses. What's the question?

 

[MatthewG]

From my understanding of "I believe that Jesus was God in the flesh," is a reference to Immanuel."


“Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel” (which being interpreted is, “God with us”). Matthew 1:23, there is more then just this one verse though, when going on over to read the Gospel of John, which brings forth more of the revelation of whom Jesus is, of course not only being the Word of God, however that by his life, he and his Father were working together, and they were one together in working on reconciling the world back to the way it was prior with everyone having access to Yahava, because of the Son of God, coming and fulfilling the Law, and nailing the old covenant to the cross with a warning that the end was closing which would be the end of that Age.


That is what I think about when I always here that comment though - It's an expression of the Word of God, the Holy Spirit of God, being within the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. The spoken word from Yahava, created light, as Yahava spake to the notion of what was on his heart, to make light, and the the Word from God created that light, in which then Yahava separated it. Jesus was an expressed image of his Father, who was His Son.

There are questions and answers on mainly "If Jesus was God in the flesh, then how could Jesus die" or "If Jesus is God, then how did God die on the cross?"

Naturally that question is understood as it is asked, however by the spirit, and trusting in Yahava to come through in accordance to agape love, there is a reasonable answer and way to explain it. The Word of God never died, the body of Jesus died on the cross. From what you believe from this part here onward I do not know.

 

[Peterlag]

It seems quite odd that the trinity can’t be discussed in a Christian forum. Can you link or paste where this is said?

Every forum that I have found that is up and established has the same rule. I personally think it's very odd. Look at it this way. If I'm right in the way that I see the Scriptures. Then Jesus Christ could not post who he is if he were a member on this forum.

 

[Bob Estey]

flesh is mortal right?

Yes, but God isn't mortal.

 

[Peterlag]

I was ASKING @Lambano what the forbidden topic is. Someone had alerted me the Trinity was a touchy subject here, but I don't know if it is the forbidden topic to which Lambano was referring.

Most of the time things get banned for only two reasons:

1.) The guys who own or manage the site believe in the trinity
2.) Someone complains to management that folks are posting un-biblical data.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, I have also found this to be true....a head-scratcher indeed.

The doctrine of the Trinity that Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man and that both the divine nature and his human nature live together in his flesh body may be widely believed, but is never stated in the Bible.

 

[Phil .]

Every forum that I have found that is up and established has the same rule. I personally think it's very odd. Look at it this way. If I'm right in the way that I see the Scriptures. Then Jesus Christ could not post who he is if he were a member on this forum.

Totally!

Can we get clarification of if the trinity is or isn’t allowed to be discussed from owner / administrator / moderators ?

And maybe a list of what expression isn’t allowed?

 

[Peterlag]

its no more a head scratcher than the trinity or any other miracle from God which man/science is incapable of explaining.

Since most Christians believe the Trinity is a mystery and not to be understood is a huge reason why doctrinal discussions about it are often avoided or brushed aside and ignored. Worse, the teaching that the Trinity is a “mystery” has been used as a club to beat down doubters and dissenters, and those people are often branded as “heretics” and their role in Christianity minimized.

 

[Peterlag]

Totally!

Can we get clarification of if the trinity is or isn’t allowed to be discussed from owner / administrator / moderators ?

And maybe a list of what expression isn’t allowed?

Somebody had that clip a few weeks ago. It basically says the topic gets heated and we want peace on this forum.

 

[Phil .]

Somebody had that clip a few weeks ago. It basically says the topic gets heated and we want peace on this forum.

That’s easy to appreciate… but as you know, even Jesus said he didn’t come for peace.

 

[O'Darby]

The doctrine of the Trinity that Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man and that both the divine nature and his human nature live together in his flesh body may be widely believed, but is never stated in the Bible.

Right. It was a heavily negotiated doctrine in response to Arianism and Docetism. The history really isn't pretty, involving political intrigue and even violence. At one point, the "official position" flopped back to Arianism. ("We all became Arians overnight!" one Bishop famously said.) But scholars lake the late Larry Hurtado have shown that the very earliest Christians clearly worshipped Jesus as divine. Since He was quite obviously human (contra Docetism), the issue became how he could be both human and divine. The doctrine of the Trinity was an attempt to answer this question. Most Christians believe that this attempt was guided and informed by the Holy Spirit. The passages in the Bible, principally in John's Gospel and Paul's epistles, indicating that all of creation was by and through Jesus, make it impossible to assert that Jesus had no preexistence. I don't see the purpose in hammering non-Trinitarians with the claim that "You're not a Christian!" but I likewise see no point in hammering Trinitarians with the claim that "It's a false doctrine!" It's a mysterious doctrine that the vast majority of Christians have always believed, just as we can believe in the Father while recognizing and accepting that He's an Eternal, Wholly Transcendent Other and that "Father" is largely a human way to relate to this Other.

 

[Peterlag]

Right. It was a heavily negotiated doctrine in response to Arianism and Docetism. The history really isn't pretty, involving political intrigue and even violence. At one point, the "official position" flopped back to Arianism. ("We all became Arians overnight!" one Bishop famously said.) But scholars lake the late Larry Hurtado have shown that the very earliest Christians clearly worshipped Jesus as divine. Since He was quite obviously human (contra Docetism), the issue became how he could be both human and divine. The doctrine of the Trinity was an attempt to answer this question. Most Christians believe that this attempt was guided and informed by the Holy Spirit. The passages in the Bible, principally in John's Gospel and Paul's epistles, indicating that all of creation was by and through Jesus, make it impossible to assert that Jesus had no preexistence. I don't see the purpose in hammering non-Trinitarians with the claim that "You're not a Christian!" but I likewise see no point in hammering Trinitarians with the claim that "It's a false doctrine!" It's a mysterious doctrine that the vast majority of Christians have always believed, just as we can believe in the Father while recognizing and accepting that He's an Eternal, Wholly Transcendent Other and that "Father" is largely a human way to relate to this Other.

Would you be so kind to give me a piece of Scripture where Paul's epistles indicated that all of creation was by and through Jesus...

 

[O'Darby]

Would you be so kind to give me a piece of Scripture where Paul's epistles indicated that all of creation was by and through Jesus...

See: Pauline Books And Media.

I have the distinct feeling you're an agenda-driven participant with a very limited agenda and are here mostly to promote that agenda, so I'm going to leave you to it.

Quote:

In 1 Cor. 8:6 Paul refers to Jesus as God “through whom are all things and through whom we exist”. Paul clearly attributes a role in creation to Jesus. This is not as long or developed as the expression we find John’s prologue (Jn 1: 1-14), but it is every bit as clear a statement that Jesus was involved from the beginning in creation.​

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The hymn in Col. 1:15-20 makes this even clearer. He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities -- all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. There is no doubt about the role in creation attributed to Christ.​

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Paul does not invent this language out of thin air; rather, he attributes to Christ the role previously attributed in the OldTestament to Divine Wisdom. According to Proverbs (3:19) and the Book of Wisdom itself (9:2), God made the world through Wisdom, God's wisdom often being personified. It is to all this that Paul now alludes. Jesus, he says, is precisely the Wisdom of God in person. Wisdom was also often identified with the Torah (see Sir. 24:23, Bar. 4:1), and one of Paul’s most basic claims is that Christ has done what the Torah tried to do but failed. Christ replaces or fulfils it.​

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[Peterlag]

That’s easy to appreciate… but as you know, even Jesus said he didn’t come for peace.

I'm an expert on the subject and can handle any verse that anybody can come up with. There's nothing and I mean nothing about the topic that I can't handle. So what do you do with a guy like me? You can't win. By that I mean come up with anything that I don't have an answer for. So the only thing left for some is to get mad. And then what always follows is personal attacks on my life. Management feels this can be a turn off for people already on the site and for new people coming on.