Did Jesus claim to be God?

[Truthnightmare]

How can I not always obey the Spirit
when everything is done by the Spirit?

Because if you always obeyed the spirit, you would never need to repent, you would never sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

 

[URwrongAgain]

Because if you always obeyed the spirit, you would never need to repent, you would never sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

Haven't you ever repented from a sin and never committed that sin ever again?
I have.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Haven't you ever repented from a sin and never committed that sin ever again?
I have.

You shouldn’t have sinned in the first place.. where was the spirit? But I hold nothing against you, I know I’m a sinner…. But I try.

 

[URwrongAgain]

You shouldn’t have sinned in the first place.. where was the spirit? But I hold nothing against you, I know I’m a sinner…. But I try.

I sinned before the Spirit possessed me. I repented and stopped committing that sin
after the Spirit entered into me.

That is how Jesus saves you from your sins.
By His Spirit you stop committing them.

 

[Truthnightmare]

I sinned before the Spirit possessed me. I repented and stopped committing that sin
after the Spirit entered into me.

That is how Jesus saves you from your sins.
By His Spirit you stop committing them.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Also…

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

 

[URwrongAgain]

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Also…

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

That was then and this is now.

 

[Truthnightmare]

That was then and this is now.

As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;

 

[Rich R]

Well…. I’m just asking, if Jesus is our savior which I believe then according to scripture He would have to be God.

Jesus was sent by God to be our savior (including me). It says just that in several places. Jesus was God's representative or agent. It may be worth while investigating how the Jews understood such agency. Suffice it to say, to them an agent was considered virtually identical in authority to the one who sent him, but they totally understood that the agent was not actually the same person who sent them.

But I wouldn't take my word for that any more than I'd take my word for what they thought a god was. The Bereans didn't believe what the great Apostle Paul told them without their own searching of the scriptures and, needless to say, I'm certainly not Paul! Thanks to the internet, it's super easy to investigate such matters.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Jesus was sent by God to be our savior (including me). It says just that in several places. Jesus was God's representative or agent. It may be worth while investigating how the Jews understood such agency. Suffice it to say, to them an agent was considered virtually identical in authority to the one who sent him, but they totally understood that the agent was not actually the same person who sent them.

But I wouldn't take my word for that any more than I'd take my word for what they thought a god was. The Bereans didn't believe what the great Apostle Paul told them without their own searching of the scriptures and, needless to say, I'm certainly not Paul! Thanks to the internet, it's super easy to investigate such matters.

Jesus was sent by God to be our savior

sa 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (KJV)

 

[URwrongAgain]

As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;

Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God,
walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Like I said
that was then and this is now.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God,
walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Like I said
that was then and this is now.

There is none righteous… that is in Romans… Romans was written after Luke.

Nice try friend…

 

[URwrongAgain]

There is none righteous… that is in Romans… Romans was written after Luke.

Nice try friend…

So you are saying the account in Luke is not true?
Or is the author of the book of Romans claiming it?

You tell me
which one is lying?

 

[Rich R]

sa 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (KJV)

Well, those are certainly good verses. I wonder how they fit in with 1 Cor 8:6 and John 17:3. Maybe something to do with agency idea I mentioned? I don't know. But they got fit somehow. God certainly didn't contradict Himself. If He did we're all sunk!

 

[Truthnightmare]

So you are saying the account in Luke is not true?
Or is the author of the book of Romans claiming it?

You tell me
which one is lying?

Neither is lying…

Here is another….
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

What you must do is rightly divide the word.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

So let’s rightly divide the word…

Romans 10:3–4 (KJV)
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

So we see a few different types of righteousness…

Let’s continue….

1. Perfect Righteousness–God’s level of righteousness which no man can attain.
2. Comparative Righteousness–Our personal behavior conforms to God’s moral and ethical standards.
3. Imputed Righteousness–Knowing that humans can’t live up to God’s righteous character demands, love caused God to accept those who trust Him despite their flaws.
4. Realized Righteousness–Jesus’ death on the cross allows us to live in harmony with God in the present time. (Breastplate of Righteousness)¹ ~ embracing Gods word

So we can obtain righteousness thank the Lord.. but never the type of righteousness that God has.

 

[URwrongAgain]

Neither is lying…

Or it is what I stated.

That was then and this is now.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Well, those are certainly good verses. I wonder how they fit in with 1 Cor 8:6 and John 17:3. Maybe something to do with agency idea I mentioned? I don't know. But they got fit somehow. God certainly didn't contradict Himself. If He did we're all sunk!

. God certainly didn't contradict Himself. If He did we're all sunk!

That statement made my night… I hope we speak again..

 

[Aunty Jane]

Antagonistic to the children of God or the children of the devil?
Which group?

Anyone who disagrees with you apparently.....

I am thinking they accused Him of making himself equal with God.

By claiming that God was his father, not by claiming that he was God. He never once did that.

They can if the immortal God gives them the power to do it.

Since immortality is “the power of an indestructible life”....no mere mortal can kill an immortal.

No, they killed Him because it was their purpose in life
predetermined for them by God, long before they were created.
That is why they existed.

God predetermined nothing, otherwise there was no free will.....if there was no free will then the taking of the forbidden fruit was pointless, and so was its penalty.

Perhaps you need to discern the difference between something that is predetermined and something that is prophesied. Since God knows “the end from the beginning”, he can foretell exactly what will take place....prophesy is actually history written in advance.

A man possessed with the Spirit of God.

That makes me invincible.

So say thousands of other deluded souls who are just as convinced as you are that they cannot possibly be wrong.....and on that note it is very apparent that you are not here to do anything but correct everyone who disagrees with your interpretation of scripture....all the best with that...I will not engage you any further...what would be the benefit to anyone?

Let me just leave you with 1 Cor 10:12....to contemplate.

 

[TheHC]

He is God, and they killed His flesh body for it.

Who? Jesus?!

Then please tell us, exactly Who was Jesus praying to, when He said, “My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?”
Himself?

In John 17, again, Who was Jesus praying to? It was His Father; and in vs.3, Jesus referred to his Father as “the only True God”, then separately mentioned himself as the one whom God “sent.”

Why do you go beyond that?

Is Paul wrong when he wrote at 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 that “there is to us one God, the Father”?

At John 4:23,24, Jesus said “the true worshippers will worship the Father.”

As a Christian who tries to follow Jesus, I’ll stick with Who Jesus worshipped.

That way, I know I’ll be adhering to the First of the 10 Commandments.
- Exodus 20


Regarding the “I AM” claim…
Did the Jews really think Jesus was saying he was God by saying ego eimi, at John 8:58?

No…but how do we know they didn’t think that?

Because at Jesus’ Sanhedrin trial which all 4 gospels record, those Jews never accuse Jesus of saying He was God! Not once! And they were even looking for false witnesses, to accuse Him. They would have used that statement in a heartbeat if it were true.

 

[JohnD]

Well, you want to believe Jesus is God so you spin it your way. I know Jesus is not God so there's no way he could have done what you say.

I am quoting God's Word. God's Word makes it a fact.

Jesus is God the Word incarnate (John 1:1-2, John 1:14 / Colossians 2:9 / John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Isaiah 44:24, Genesis 1:1).

 

[JohnD]

Where is GOD the FATHER then ? It is merely your assumption to ridicule.

God the Father was with God the Word in the beginning (John 1:1-2, 1 John 1:1-2) as was the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:1-2).

The preincarnate Jesus (God the Word) acted alone by himself in creating all things (Isaiah 44:24). But he was eternally in the company of the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Also 1 John 1:1-2 clearly points out that the Word is an eternal life which was with the Father.

1 John 1:1–2 (KJV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us