There Are No People In Heaven / The Kingdom.

[Taken]

Thank you.

Your are welcome.

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you!

Sure. That applies to the “CONVERTED” Living man.

It does not say you are within it (heaven).
It does not say anything about “states of being”.
Is does not say “A person is in heaven when…”

While a converted person is alive…
The Lord’s Spirit is “IN” that man, and
The man’s born again spirit is “IN” Christ.
AKA…”IN” Christ repeated in Scripture.
Body’s do not go to Heaven…saved souls do.
FYI…a person is a living human body with it’s soul IN it’s body.

At home in the body…is a mans alive body, which can not see the Lord.
Absent from the body…(is a dead body), to whit the Living soul is then present with the Lord…who is IN Heaven.

2 Cor 5:
[6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
[7] (For we walk by faith, not by sight
[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

The belief in time is easy to dispel:
Go to a past, future, or other time.
Come back to the present.
Tell us how it was.
Simple.

Go to the future…and tell you how it was?
Oxymoron….future…was.

 

[Phil .]

Peter is not teaching about time as you believe.

If Peter were teaching about time, Peter would be teaching belief.
The belief is that there is someone here, saying Peter is teaching about time.
There isn’t. This is heaven, and there are no people in heaven.

That someone is saying Peter is teaching about time, is exactly the same as time -that isn’t actually happening. There is only the thought or belief that’s happening.


The belief in time is easy to dispel:
Go to a past, future, or other time.
Come back to the present.
Tell us how it was.
Simple.

 

[Phil .]

Sure. That applies to the “CONVERTED” Living man.

To help with seeing clearly, share a picture of a converted living man, and a picture of a non converted living man, and circle the difference(s). If found to be impossible perhaps there is a belief at play.

Is within you.

Not in a future, not in potential, not while or if something happens, etc, etc.



Is.

There Are No People In Heaven / The Kingdom.​

The kingdom is within you.

 

[Taken]

To help with seeing clearly, share a picture of a converted living man, and a picture of a non converted living man, and circle the difference(s). If found to be impossible perhaps there is a belief at play.

Is within you.

Not in a future, not in potential, not while or if something happens, etc, etc.

There Are No People In Heaven / The Kingdom.​

The kingdom is within you.

The thread is about a Heavenly Kingdom.
The Heavenly Kingdom is where Departed SAVED souls go after bodily death.

The Lord Gods Kingdom IS Heaven AND WHERE the Holy Spirit IS.
The Holy Spirit … IS the Power of God….
IS called CHRIST….IS within Converted BODILY ALIVE men.

The Lord IS establishing And PREPARING His “congregation” AND “citizens” of His Kingdom ON EARTH…
BEFORE He returns to CLAIM His “inheritance”….ie Earthly Kingdom.

Saved Living souls of a bodily DEAD man…
DO NOT REMAIN in a DEAD Body….
They GO UP to the Lord Gods Heavenly Kingdom.

Unsaved Livings souls of a bodily DEAD man…DO NOT REMAIN in a DEAD Body…
They GO DOWN to Hell.

Pictures of the outside of a man are irrelevant.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Phil .]

The thread is about a Heavenly Kingdom.

Yes, this. As is already. Without condition.

The Heavenly Kingdom is where Departed SAVED souls go after bodily death.

That’s an assumption about “not-this”.
Notice this is unchanged with or without the assumption that there is “not-this”.
No one’s ever been “not-here”.

If you were driving to my house and at any point I called and asked ‘where are you’, you would never say “there”.
“There” is only experienced as a thought.
You’ve never been there.
Only, always; here.
(And not even).

The Lord Gods Kingdom IS Heaven AND WHERE the Holy Spirit IS.
The Holy Spirit … IS the Power of God….

Yes, this.

IS called CHRIST….IS within Converted BODILY ALIVE men.

Beliefs, assumption & conditions appear in heaven too.

The Lord IS establishing And PREPARING His “congregation” AND “citizens” of His Kingdom ON EARTH…
BEFORE He returns to CLAIM His “inheritance”….ie Earthly Kingdom.

The Lord never left.

Saved Living souls of a bodily DEAD man…
DO NOT REMAIN in a DEAD Body….
They GO UP to the Lord Gods Heavenly Kingdom.

And Santa puts the gifts under the tree.

Unsaved Livings souls of a bodily DEAD man…DO NOT REMAIN in a DEAD Body…
They GO DOWN to Hell.

There’s already no souls inside of bodies.
This is the kingdom.
It only seems like feeling & consciousness are inside of bodies because feeling / consciousness is appearing as bodies.
That which is appearing, or, being, is infinite & eternal, and wouldn’t know otherwise.

Pictures of the outside of a man are irrelevant.

The relevance is there is nothing to point to in terms of perception, revealing the claim is a belief.

 

[Taken]

Yes, this. As is already. Without condition.


That’s an assumption about “not-this”.
Notice this is unchanged with or without the assumption that there is “not-this”.
No one’s ever been “not-here”.

If you were driving to my house and at any point I called and asked ‘where are you’, you would never say “there”.
“There” is only experienced as a thought.
You’ve never been there.
Only, always; here.
(And not even).



Yes, this.


Beliefs, assumption & conditions appear in heaven too.


The Lord never left.


And Santa puts the gifts under the tree.


There’s already no souls inside of bodies.
This is the kingdom.
It only seems like feeling & consciousness are inside of bodies because feeling / consciousness is appearing as bodies.
That which is appearing, or, being, is infinite & eternal, and wouldn’t know otherwise.


The relevance is there is nothing to point to in terms of perception, revealing the claim is a belief.

Seems your argument is … IF one has not experienced something to reveal what an other believes SHALL HAPPEN….then there is no validity to what men Believe SHALL HAPPEN….
Is that right?

Are you doubting, or denying, or believing, souls depart a dead body….and if saved GO UP to Gods Heavenly Kingdom…
And if NOT saved Go Hell?

Thanks.

 

[Behold]

There Are No People In Heaven / The Kingdom.

Correct.

Incorrect.

Jesus, rose from the dead "BODILY"...... not as a spirit as the lying JW's Teach.

And the Apostles and others saw the Man Jesus, fly off this earth in a body,.. ascended back to Heaven.... and He is now seated at the right hand of the Father, in the same Body that rose from the Dead.

 

[Phil .]

Seems your argument

No argument is transpiring.

is … IF one has not experienced something to reveal what an other believes SHALL HAPPEN….then there is no validity to what men Believe SHALL HAPPEN….
Is that right?

‘Right’ is entirely subjective. Opinion.
Nothing’s happening.

Are you doubting, or denying, or believing, souls depart a dead body….and if saved GO UP to Gods Heavenly Kingdom…
And if NOT saved Go Hell?

Thanks.

Doubt’s an emotion, not an action or behavior.

Denial is cognitive dissonance, not an action or doing.

Believing pertains to believing thoughts, also not an action, behavior or a doing.

Framing these aspects of experience as actions, behaviors & doing… is guilt tripping, just to be right about personal beliefs. WHich you’re (obviously) free to, yet the discord is inescapable.

Souls departing a dead body is a belief, not an experience. You yourself believe there is a soul which departs a body, yet have never experienced that there is a soul which departs a body.

Hell is a belief. You believe there is hell, yet have never experienced hell.

The discord & weight you bear that inherently comes with ‘being right’, is hell.


This is the kingdom already.
And you are not in it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Right’ is entirely subjective.

What makes you think you are right about that?

 

[MatthewG]

There Are No People In Heaven / The Kingdom.

Correct.

A person is a Body (of dust), with a soul.
Dead Body’s of dust, return to dust.
Living souls depart the Dead body;
The saved souls are escorted to heaven.
The unsaved souls are sent to hell.

Glory to God,
Taken

It’s a commonly believed tradition, though it doesn’t make it true if Jesus came back as promised.

 

[Taken]

No argument is transpiring.


‘Right’ is entirely subjective. Opinion.
Nothing’s happening.


Doubt’s an emotion, not an action or behavior.

Denial is cognitive dissonance, not an action or doing.

Believing pertains to believing thoughts, also not an action, behavior or a doing.

Framing these aspects of experience as actions, behaviors & doing… is guilt tripping, just to be right about personal beliefs. WHich you’re (obviously) free to, yet the discord is inescapable.

Souls departing a dead body is a belief, not an experience. You yourself believe there is a soul which departs a body, yet have never experienced that there is a soul which departs a body.

Hell is a belief. You believe there is hell, yet have never experienced hell.

The discord & weight you bear that inherently comes with ‘being right’, is hell.


This is the kingdom already.

And you are not in it.

And…you know that HOW exactly?

John 8:
[1] Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
[2] And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[Phil .]

What makes you think you are right about that?

‘Right’ is an interpretation, not an attribute of an entity.

 

[Phil .]

And…you know that HOW exactly?

Knowing has nothing to do with it. All knowing / known / knowledge is belief. As all beliefs are divested & dispelled, only the truth can remain.

John 8:
[1] Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
[2] And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

The kingdom is not of this world. This is the kingdom. “The world” is a belief. The belief obscures the truth / reality… heaven… this.
Has nothing to do with knowing. Knowing what this is, is what obscures this… heaven.

 

[Taken]

‘Right’ is an interpretation, not an attribute of an entity.

You are giving Carnal understanding to Spiritual things.

 

[marks]

There Are No People In Heaven / The Kingdom.​

Paul wrote something that disagrees with your assertion.

Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 1:12-13 KJV
12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Much love!

 

[marks]

And…you know that HOW exactly?

John 8:
[1] Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
[2] And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

So here is the one - Jesus - who does see the future, and does tell us now about it.

I for one think we should heed what He says.

Much love!

 

[Phil .]

You are giving Carnal understanding to Spiritual things.

There’s no you in heaven, as there are no people in heaven.
You’re imaging this.

Paul wrote something that disagrees with your assertion.

Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 1:12-13 KJV
12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Much love!

There is no assertion in heaven, as there are no people in heaven.

So here is the one - Jesus - who does see the future, and does tell us now about it.

I for one think we should heed what He says.

Much love!

As there are no people in heaven, there are no shoulds.

 

[marks]

As there are no people in heaven,

You keep saying this, but the Bible says differently, and I'll believe it over you, no offence!

Much love!

 

[Phil .]

You keep saying this, but the Bible says differently, and I'll believe it over you, no offence!

Much love!

It’s only assumed there is someone else, saying this.
The assumption arises in spite of what’s being said.

There are no people in heaven.

 

[MatthewG]

@Phil . Something rings in me with what you told @Taken.

”If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.“
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭2‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Paul talking to his audience. Whether or not it’s important or true is up for you to decide.