Bible was never written to you

[RedFan]

Not sure what you mean. Jesus isn't God? The Bible isn't the written Word of God?

In my estimation Jesus is God (I am a Trinitarian). And in my estimation the Bible is a collection of inspired writings written by inspired men, but it is a mistake to treat them the same as through they were handed down on stone tablets from Mount Sinai. The sense in which these inspired writings are the "Word of God" is an indirect one. We should not look at every word as though it was Jesus's actual word.

Jude happened to make the cut when the contents of your Bible was compiled in the Fourth century by consensus of men who were not inspired in the same way. To give it more credence than, say, First Clement or Shepherd of Hermas for that reason alone is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Jack]

In my estimation Jesus is God (I am a Trinitarian).

Your estimation? The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God.

And in my estimation the Bible is a collection of inspired writings written by inspired men,

Inspired by men? So you just pick the parts you believe and reject the rest. Not a good recipe for Christian Salvation.

but it is a mistake to treat them the same as through they were handed down on stone tablets from Mount Sinai. The sense in which these inspired writings are the "Word of God" is an indirect one. We should not look at every word as though it was Jesus's actual word.

Jude happened to make the cut when the contents of your Bible was compiled in the Fourth century by consensus of men who were not inspired in the same way. To give it more credence than, say, First Clement or Shepherd of Hermas for that reason alone is a bit of a stretch.

If you have proof that the Bible is not the Word of God please present it. I don't think you have any. If the Bible isn't the written Word of God we are in DEEP trouble.

 

[MA2444]

I disagree. It doesn’t matter if you agree or not. The Bible was not written to you, that’s a fact. When it comes down to thing such as “oh no Matthew is not a believer like us,” we need to correct him. I’m not to worried about one’s own concern… I’m not to worried if a person disagrees, I’ll explain why…

It was not written to you.
It was written for you in order to have ability to even access more information about Yahava. That is good. It however was not written to yourself.

Uh-oh you sid it was a fact and put it bold lettering so it must be true.
It's not, “oh no Matthew is not a believer like us,” , but rather...you asked a question, and I'm sorry that you didnt get the answer that you wanted, but I have some knowledge & experience in this area of thought, so should I have replied or not? So I did.

Dont start trying to play a victim card. Dont be so thin skinned. You asked a question and out forth a premise, now either substatiate it or withdraw the question, lol.
You repeating it was not written to us does not make it so.
You repeating it was ot written to us does not make it so.
You printing in bold letters it was not written to us does not make it so.

Can you actually substantiate what you have said? Yes or no.
Let me ask you a question: I know that you feel the Bible was not written to us personally...but how much do you actually read it?

 

[RedFan]

Your estimation? The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God.

Inspired by men? So you just pick the parts you believe and reject the rest. Not a good recipe for Christian Salvation.

If you have proof that the Bible is not the Word of God please present it. I don't think you have any. If the Bible isn't the written Word of God we are in DEEP trouble.

I didn't say "inspired by men." I said "by inspired men."

The burden of proof is on those who claim that the Bible is the literal Word of God rather than the words of men inspired by God to write what they wrote. But I can point you to inconsistencies and errors in the Bible, if that helps to advance the ball here.

 

[MA2444]

In my estimation Jesus is God (I am a Trinitarian). And in my estimation the Bible is a collection of inspired writings written by inspired men, but it is a mistake to treat them the same as through they were handed down on stone tablets from Mount Sinai. The sense in which these inspired writings are the "Word of God" is an indirect one. We should not look at every word as though it was Jesus's actual word.

Jude happened to make the cut when the contents of your Bible was compiled in the Fourth century by consensus of men who were not inspired in the same way. To give it more credence than, say, First Clement or Shepherd of Hermas for that reason alone is a bit of a stretch.

What does inspired writings mean?

 

[Jack]

I didn't say "inspired by men." I said "by inspired men."

The burden of proof is on those who claim that the Bible is the literal Word of God rather than the words of men inspired by God to write what they wrote. But I can point you to inconsistencies and errors in the Bible, if that helps to advance the ball here.

Are you saying the promises of Christian salvation are errors?

1 Thessalonians 2:13
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t play my feelings into the fact @MA2444.

I’m afraid you are unable to use the Bible, scripture to say, hey look here it is written to us today.

Do I believe there are spiritual applications and things to learned via reading the Bible? Yes However, your gonna be unable to prove that it was written to you.

I’m not playing any victim card. I’m affirmative in my position, and not my feelings, of having seen the Bible as written to a specific people groups first with the Old Testament, then with the apostolic Record which is the Apostolic church which would become the bride of Christ then in that age.

 

[RedFan]

Are you saying the promises of Christian salvation are errors?

I am not saying that at all.

 

[DJT_47]

The Bible was never written to Jack, in Georgia state. Why do many people think or say it is written to us? Making demands about what to believe or not to believe?

I believe it was written for us, but not to us?

Yes. It's very obvious it wasn't written TO us which most people don't understand and therefore misinterpret what was written and how it may apply to us today.

 

[Jack]

I don’t play my feelings into the fact @MA2444.

I’m afraid you are unable to use the Bible, scripture to say, hey look here it is written to us today.

Do I believe there are spiritual applications and things to learned via reading the Bible? Yes However, your gonna be unable to prove that it was written to you.

I’m not playing any victim card. I’m affirmative in my position, and not my feelings, of having seen the Bible as written to a specific people groups first with the Old Testament, then with the apostolic Record which is the Apostolic church which would become the bride of Christ then in that age.

Don't you get tired of ATTACKING the Christian Bible?

 

[RedFan]

What does inspired writings mean?

My definition of inspired writings is akin to Paul's in 2 Tim. 3:16: "God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."

 

[MatthewG]

@Jack, facts aren’t attacks.

 

[Jack]

I am not saying that at all.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,

The Bible is the written Word of God!

 

[MatthewG]

Yes. It's very obvious it wasn't written TO us which most people don't understand and therefore misinterpret what was written and how it may apply to us today.

Why do you believe things like this tend to go missed?

 

[Jack]

@Jack, facts aren’t attacks.

But you almost never offer facts. You have clearly rejected the Christian Bible! You make up your own personal bible. You make up your own phony god who doesn't exist.

 

[MatthewG]

But you almost never offer facts. You have clearly rejected the Christian Bible! You make up your own personal bible. You make up your own phony god who doesn't exist.

If you say so. Are you going to get God to send me to hell? It’s okay that people desire to go after me, and also just desire to debate. In the end, it doesn’t matter to me what you think concerning my beliefs. It matters to me what the Living God Yahavah would desire to me stick close to the truth concerning these things! In order for people to be aware and perhaps when going back to read the Gospels again, they can consider the first hand witnesses and the on going activity which furthers on the Gospel to the ends of the world as Paul proclaimed in that day and age, with the destruction of those people which Jesus promised to come to an utter end, with the day of the Lord had come upon then, which was Gods wrath.

But hey, maybe I’m wrong. God will take my life when he is ready, Jack.

 

[Jack]

If you say so. Are you going to get God to send me to hell? It’s okay that people desire to go after me, and also just desire to debate. In the end, it doesn’t matter to me why you think. It matters to me what the Living God Yahavah would desire to me stick close to the truth concerning these things! In order for people to be aware and perhaps when going back to read the Gospels again, they can consider the first hand witnesses and the on going activity which furthers on the Gospel to the ends of the world as Paul proclaimed in that day and age, with the destruction of those people which Jesus promised to come to an utter end, with the day of the Lord had come upon then, which was Gods wrath.

But hey, maybe I’m wrong. God will take my life when he is ready, Jack.

I'm trying to pull you from the fire that Jesus warned you about and you are ignoring. Bible choppers will burn in Hell fire forever and ever. Stop chopping our Christian Bible.

 

[RedFan]

1 Thessalonians 2:13
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,

The Bible is the written Word of God!

I wasn't in Thessalonika 2,000 years ago when Paul transmitted "the word of God which you heard from us" to those Thessalonians a year or so before he penned this letter, but I am happy to assume that whatever he told those Thessalonians was -- exactly as he writes a year or so later -- "in truth, the word of God." I assume Paul is referring to the gospel message of salvation in Christ, transmitted to them orally a year or so before First Thessalonians was written. What's your point? That First Thessalonians itself is ALSO the word of God? It doesn't say so.

 

[Jack]

I wasn't in Thessalonika 2,000 years ago when Paul transmitted "the word of God which you heard from us" to those Thessalonians a year or so before he penned this letter, but I am happy to assume that whatever he told those Thessalonians was -- exactly as he writes a year or so later -- "in truth, the word of God." I assume Paul is referring to the gospel message of salvation in Christ, transmitted to them orally a year or so before First Thessalonians was written. What's your point? That First Thessalonians itself is ALSO the word of God? It doesn't say so.

The point is, you can't just pick the parts of the Bible you like and be a Christian.

 

[MatthewG]

I'm trying to pull you from the fire that Jesus warned you about and you are ignoring. Bible choppers will burn in Hell fire forever and ever. Stop chopping our Christian Bible.

It’s okay that you will not change from your same rhetoric values. Why is this? I do not know. And it’s not looking at the Bible chopped up. It’s actually looking at the Bible as being fulfilled today. And people are raising and going on to the kingdom or outside of the Kingdom, that is what Revelation suggests with the Garden of Eden established now due to the wiping away of Israel in 70Ad and all the twelve tribes.

Anyway thank you for helping me waste some time on here today.