Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[Michiah-Imla]

Even though this shallow ground hearer in Luke 8:13 is said to have "believed,"…..

Anyone needing that many words and paragraphs to explain a short and plain Bible passage should be scrutinized and examined very carefully with a fine grasp on what the Bible says.

“When words are many, transgression is not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent.” (Proverbs 10:19)

 

[amigo de christo]

If I must continue to the end, How am I eternally secure?

That does not make sense

sure it does . Osas has made it make no sense .
but paul nor peter , JESUS HIMSELF or the others were in error for saying YE MUST CONTINUE TO THE END
IF YE CONTINUE . they all said it , they all warned . and it does make perfect sense .
many forgot that those words that were recorded , WERE SPIRIT INSPIRED .
THE SPIRIT is our helper . its warnings are for our good . WE NEED THEM .
but OSAS tries to omit them . not GOOD . not GOOD at all .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

JESUS IS OUR ETERNAL SECURITY . And he alone is
KEEP THE HOPE IN HIM FIRM TO THE END AND DO NOT BE MOVED AWAY
FROM THE HOPE OF THE TRUE GOSPEL AND INTO THE SOCIAL ALL INCLUSIVE ONE .
BEWARE THE ERROR OF THE WICKED , LEST YE FALL FROM YOUR OWN STEADFASTNESS .
THE ALL INCLUSIVE LOVE LOVE LOVE , is FALSE AND ITS NOT COMING FROM GOD BUT FROM THE DRAGON .
THAT BE A FACT TOO . SOON MANY MORE WILL BE COMING OUT FROM AMONGST US .
FALLING FOR A RUSE THAT MUSLIMS AND OTHER RELIGOINS ARE ON THE PATH TO GOD TOO
NEVER BUY THE LIE .
NEVER BUY THE LIE .
WE MUST PREACH AND REMIND ALL THAT HAS BREATH
THAT ALL OTHER RELIGOINS DO NOT SERVE THE SAME GOD WE DO ,THEY SERVE THE DEVIL .
THAT TOO IS A FACT .
ONLY JESUS CAN SET US FREE FROM THE KINGDOM OF SATAN , THE POWER OF SATAN
AND TO ANY AND TO ALL WHO BELIEVE NOT , THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT YET BEEN SET FREE
BUT ARE STILL UNDER THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF SATAN .
THIS IS A SOLID FACT . BUT MANY NO LONGER BELIEVE IT

if anything, we need to put people where they stand\

A licentious person believes they say a prayer and they are saved forever. no matter how they live, Their pride refuses to give up their sin and give it all to God.. they were never saved. They will attack a grace believe by calling him a legalistic, Because the grace believer calls him out and his sin.. as we are supposed to.

A legalist says yes God I will recieve your gift of salvation. But in pride they refuse to acknowledge they are truly saved unless they earn it by their works.. They will attack grace believers of being licentious. and loving their sin. just like the pharisee,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Anyone needing that many words and paragraphs to explain a short and plain Bible passage should be scrutinized and examined very carefully with a fine grasp on what the Bible says.

“When words are many, transgression is not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent.” (Proverbs 10:19)

nice way to reject the word of God.. Paul wrote paragraphs and chapters trying to explain some subjects..

 

[amigo de christo]

no, But I can use the bible

A person who was with us, who now deny's Christ, and is a non believer was never of us (never saved) they did nto lose salvation, they never had it.

1 John 2? They were never of us

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.

A child of God can not sin themselves out of salvation


1 John 3:
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

a child of GOD , IF HE HAS the SPIRIT , aint walking all up in sin .
WHO WE SERVE IS WHOSE WE ARE .
Me thinks many forget the many warnings paul an others wrote .
rather they try and say Those IN SIN , like homosexuals , those praticing sin , STILL KNOW HIM .
BUT THEY DONT . they are not born again . WHERE IS THE CONVICTION OF THE SPIRIT
WHY DO THEY DEFEND THEIR SIN . why , cause THEY ARE STILL NOT HIS . TIME THE CHURCH starts CORRECTING SIN
and stops trying to either accept it or turn the blind eye . ITS NOT WORKING , the LEAVEN IS TAKING THEM ALL CAPTIVE to a lie now .
WE GOT BIG TIME PROBLEMS .
now about the only SIN these churches recongize is what they call hate
and they use that word a lot AGAINST THOSE WHO REBUKE AND CORRECT SIN WITHIN THE CHURCH .
TALK ABOUT A DELUSOIN . they think they love they think they know GOD , BUT man they sure seem to HATE HIS DOCTRINE
and hate those who use his doctrine to correct certain sins . not looking good at all

 

[marks]

You haven’t proved me wrong with scripture.

How does making a passing comment without citing any biblical references help your argument?

Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Exactly! We are owned by God, it's not up to us to change our status. And here God declares His intent. We are under His seal of ownership until that day He comes to take possession of us, His purchased possession.

Much love!

This is so unbiblical it’s crazy!

Just about every book in the New Testament admonishes us to stay holy once cleaned by the blood of Christ.

Much love!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

nice way to reject the word of God..

I rejected the words of @mailmandan

Paul wrote paragraphs and chapters trying to explain some subjects..

So tell me, what extra biblical teaching is the @mailmandan teaching that the inspired writers just couldn’t explain as good as @mailmandan

 

[MatthewG]

Well the thing is I believe everyone has been saved from death, sin, hades and Satan @Eternally Grateful.

The only thing is not everyone is saved to the Kingdom which is of course by faith.

 

[amigo de christo]

if anything, we need to put people where they stand\

A licentious person believes they say a prayer and they are saved forever. no matter how they live, Their pride refuses to give up their sin and give it all to God.. they were never saved. They will attack a grace believe by calling him a legalistic, Because the grace believer calls him out and his sin.. as we are supposed to.

A legalist says yes God I will recieve your gift of salvation. But in pride they refuse to acknowledge they are truly saved unless they earn it by their works.. They will attack grace believers of being licentious. and loving their sin. just like the pharisee,

ITS NOT ONLY TIME , but HIGH TIME we need to put people where they stand .
ITs not only time but high time we start reminding the churches TO NOT SIN
and read , yes read Where it even says HOMOSEXULAITY IS SIN .
its time we stop just trying to hug everthing and keep overlooking their sins and errors WITHIN THE CHURCH .
ITS TIME men got back to the BIBLE and start USING THAT BOOK for instruction in righteousness
to expose sins , to start building up the peoples and USE that pattern FOR ALL THINGS .
Cause many under seeker friendly tactics and other ecumincal moves , HAVE LEAVENED UP the CHURCHES BIG TIME .
ITS NOT WORKING . STOP CORRECTION , IT WONT WORK , RATHER THE LEAVEN GONNA RISE UP .

 

[Ritajanice]

NO , if we dont continue in HIM , WE WERE NEVER HIS .
HOWEVER paul who was HIS was SPIRIT FILLED and by the SPIRIT
was helping to remind and to warn the CHURCH IT HAD TO CONTINUE IN HIM
to the end . YOu all miss the point big time .
I already LONG have known that anyone who does end up falling away , WAS NEVER HIS .
THEY WILL NOT HAVE SALVATION .
Yet many today think cause they beleive that even if one fell away to the love delusion they still saved .
ITS A LIE .
And the warnings to CONTINUE IN HIM , ARE TO HELP THE LAMBS , as IS HIS EVERY WORD , HIS SPIRIT .

Brother, let me ask you this question, how can we not continue in him, if we have been “ Born Of The Spirit “?

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

How can we not continue to walk in the Spirit, when our spirit has been “ Born Again?

We have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed, that liveth and abideth “ forever “...?

We have received the Holy Spirit into our heart/ spirit, when he made us Born Again.

Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom of God...I believe the Living word of God.

 

[mailmandan]

Anyone needing that many words and paragraphs to explain a short and plain Bible passage should be scrutinized and examined very carefully with a fine grasp on what the Bible says.

“When words are many, transgression is not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent.” (Proverbs 10:19)

I see that you have no rebuttal to the multiple passages of scripture that I cited which refute your biased interpretation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well the thing is I believe everyone has been saved from death, sin, hades and Satan @Eternally Grateful.

The only thing is not everyone is saved to the Kingdom which is of course by faith.

only those who truly BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
if not THEY are still dead and still under the power and influence Of satan , WHO IS STILL taking captive souls .
I seen what you wrote a while back . YOU DONT EVEN THINK satan is in the world anymore .
HE IS . and many are now unifying to be as ONE under HIM by what they all think is LOVE .
OH HE IS AT WORK ALL RIGHT . HE IS NOT SLEEPING , HE IS DECIEVING .
but the lambs of CHRIST JESUS will heed not the voice of the stranger , BUT RATHER THE VOICE OF KING JESUS .
JESUS KEEPS HIS SHEEP . HE KEEPS HIS OWN and HIS OWN HEED HIM and not men and their wrong precepts .

 

[mailmandan]

I rejected the words of @mailmandan

You reject the words of scripture that I cited.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

a child of GOD , IF HE HAS the SPIRIT , aint walking all up in sin .
WHO WE SERVE IS WHOSE WE ARE .
Me thinks many forget the many warnings paul an others wrote .
rather they try and say Those IN SIN , like homosexuals , those praticing sin , STILL KNOW HIM .
BUT THEY DONT . they are not born again . WHERE IS THE CONVICTION OF THE SPIRIT
WHY DO THEY DEFEND THEIR SIN . why , cause THEY ARE STILL NOT HIS . TIME THE CHURCH starts CORRECTING SIN
and stops trying to either accept it or turn the blind eye . ITS NOT WORKING , the LEAVEN IS TAKING THEM ALL CAPTIVE to a lie now .
WE GOT BIG TIME PROBLEMS .
now about the only SIN these churches recongize is what they call hate
and they use that word a lot AGAINST THOSE WHO REBUKE AND CORRECT SIN WITHIN THE CHURCH .
TALK ABOUT A DELUSOIN . they think they love they think they know GOD , BUT man they sure seem to HATE HIS DOCTRINE
and hate those who use his doctrine to correct certain sins . not looking good at all

I personally try not to judge anyone sin. I have enough sin of my own to judge and overcome.

Now if I have a close brother I am meeting regularly, I confess my sin to him and he confesses his sin to me, and we try to help each other out..

I know many who were LGBT who are now walking Christians and have left that sin. They did not repent because they were judged, they repented because they were loved..

we have to be careful how we give the gospel..

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother, let me ask you this question, how can we not continue in him, if we have been “ Born Of The Spirit “?

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

How can we not continue to walk in the Spirit, when our spirit has been “ Born Again?

We have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed, that liveth and abideth “ forever “...?

We have received the Holy Spirit into our heart/ spirit, when he made us Born Again.

HOW can we NOT WARN and remind the church TO CONTINUE IN HIM TO THE END . THAT BE THE FAR BETTER question .
JESUS DID , the apostels warned about it too . SO WHY DONT WE . exactly . SOMETHING is going wrong sister .
ITS NOT A SIN , is not a lack of faith IN JESUS to use HIS WARNINGS
and to use the warnings of the apostels . THEY SAID IT , HE SAID IT . I TRUST IN WHAT JESUS SAID
not men . Be encouraged dear sister . you are not being attacked . I just write this to MAKE YOU REALLY THINK .
SO lets us all ask ourselves a question .
ARE WE TRULY TRUSTING IN JESUS , OR are we trusting in men .
ARE WE TRULY TAKING JESUS AT HIS EVERY WORD or are we gonna allow men to omit THEM warnings and take MEN at their word .
ARE WE T RULY trusting in the SPIRIT INSPIRED DOCTRINE left to us by the apostles , OR are we trusting in mens acroynms
their teachings .
THINK about that my dear sister . as for me , IF JESUS or the apostels wrote it , I JUST BELIEVE IT , HEED IT
and REMIND ALL TO DO THE SAME .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I rejected the words of @mailmandan



So tell me, what extra biblical teaching is the @mailmandan teaching that the inspired writers just couldn’t explain as good as @mailmandan

Dan gave the word.

You are twisting the word to live your legalistic mindset.

 

[mr mxyzptlk]

lol

So you can not earn salvation, but you can unearn it?

I press towards the prize too.. Because I do not want to be left with wood hay and stubble

But salvation is a gift. it is not a reward..

Are you sure you're taking into account everything the Bible has to say about rewards?
There's no such thing as "unearning."
By ultimately rejecting salvation, the wages of sin are earned, which is death.

 

[MatthewG]

I see that you have no rebuttal to the multiple passages of scripture that I cited which refute your biased interpretation.

Citing passages doesn’t mean much without the whole of scripture to consider anyway. It’s just differing views that are at play. Here are my verses to justify my stance, here are other verses which refute the stance.

The over all point is that, once saved always saved is not true.

A person has to pick up there cross daily, and rise with Christ and allow God to produce fruit within them. Therefore, the day on your death bed, perhaps one will be grateful for all God did through them; while one may say look what I did for you God; while one may say … who knows perhaps nothing?


Salvation is a given to all, Jesus saved all from death, hell, sin, and Satan. The only thing is, people aren’t saved to the Kingdom of God which of course is by faith. People in their day, the elect are even to said to become deceived.

Therefore… once saved always saved is manmade tradition…

It’s not based on works - works are based on God working through you to love.

 

[amigo de christo]

I personally try not to judge anyone sin. I have enough sin of my own to judge and overcome.

Now if I have a close brother I am meeting regularly, I confess my sin to him and he confesses his sin to me, and we try to help each other out..

I know many who were LGBT who are now walking Christians and have left that sin. They did not repent because they were judged, they repented because they were loved..

we have to be careful how we give the gospel..

IT AINT JUDGING . this is the problem . You think ITS JUDGING if ones sin is exposed .
BUT IT AINT . ITS NECESSARY .
we have been taken for a ride my dear friend .
and its not a good ride either .
THEY try and make us feel guilty , or feel like we are judging if we expose sins in the church .
THAT WAS SUPER SLICK what they did . and it worked too . NO WONDER THE SIN has taken the churches captive to a lie .
LEAVEN left uncorrected WILL DO That .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well the thing is I believe everyone has been saved from death, sin, hades and Satan @Eternally Grateful.

The only thing is not everyone is saved to the Kingdom which is of course by faith.

Is not being saved from death hades and satan to be saved into the kingdom of God?

Again, this makes no sense.