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JBO

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Partner, you best worry about yourself
According to you and your Calvinism, worrying won't change a thing. According to you, I am either one of the elect or I am not and there is nothing I can do to change that. So why in the world would you suggest that I worry? And in fact I should really just eat, drink and be merry because, again according to you and your Calvinism, nothing I do will change that.

Also of course, according to you and your Calvinism, I couldn't, without free will, even choose to worry about anything if God hadn't already decreed it.
 

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And in fact I should really just eat, drink and be merry
Up to you, for tomorrow you die.
because, again according to you and your Calvinism, nothing I do will change that.
Why are you so hateful with Calvin? As I understand, without him and the reformers, the subject of salvation would not have been realized. And, that we will all be under the teaching of Arius that in order to become saved we must "ACCEPT" the Lord Jesus which is contrary to Romans 3:11.

To God Be The Glory
 
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Jay Ross

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THAT'S A FALSE STATEMENT!!
According to Romans 3:9-12 which reads:

09 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Let us consider the following which includes what Paul stated that it is by our faith and belief that we are saved: -

Romans 3:9-26: - All Have Sinned

9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10 As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God’s Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Also, we read in John 15:16:
"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,"

To God Be The Glory

Let us consider the context of where this verse is found. This verse is found in this context in the scriptures: -

John 15:9-17: - Love and Joy Perfected
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

Please notice that we can take the part of the verse, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you . . .” and have it say what ever we may want it to say like you have. But by retaining the context in which this part verse is found it is actually saying somethn very different.

We all need to be very careful that we retain the original context so that we do not create a context that was not there in the original text.
 

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lol..

Sorry Bro. God is not a respector of persons. He is a God of love, and nothing you say will change that

You can boast of how special you are all day long. it will not get you anywhere
If Christ didnt die for you, no Faith will be given, you still in your sins.
 

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According to you and your Calvinism, worrying won't change a thing. According to you, I am either one of the elect or I am not and there is nothing I can do to change that. So why in the world would you suggest that I worry? And in fact I should really just eat, drink and be merry because, again according to you and your Calvinism, nothing I do will change that.

Also of course, according to you and your Calvinism, I couldn't, without free will, even choose to worry about anything if God hadn't already decreed it.
you best worry about yourself
 

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Up to you, for tomorrow you die.

Why are you so hateful with Calvin? As I understand, without him and the reformers, the subject of salvation would not have been realized. And, that we will all be under the teaching of Arius that in order to become saved we must "ACCEPT" the Lord Jesus which is contrary to Romans 3:11.

To God Be The Glory
So we praise men and not God?? :oops:
 

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Because the soteriology that is typically referred to as Calvinism/Reformed Theology is just so completely and terribly wrong.
Do you understand or have knowledge about the Reformers teachings on salvation?
 

JunChosen

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Christ died for everyone

John 3 does not say he loved the elect. it said he loved the world (his creation).
I keep saying in these forums that many professing Christians do not know nor understand Bible doctrines and it's interpretations.

If Christ died for everyone, then God CANNOT send anyone to "hell" or to the "Lake of Fire" yet Scripture says, hell and the Lake of Fire will heavily be populated (Bible doctrine).

John 3:16 is the most read scripture in the world, yet also the most misunderstood!! (Bible Interpretation).
To understand the interpretation, we must qualify the word "whosoever" and these are they that the Father "elected" to salvation in eternity past, before the foundation of the world!!
"Many are called but few are chosen."
You said: John 3 does not say he loved the elect. it said he loved the world (his creation)
Actually you should have asked in what manner did God loved the world. And the answer would have been, "in the manner that He gave His only Son to redeem the sins of His people. (Matthew 1:21)
Who do you think His people are, the elect, those whom the Father gave to Jesus!!

To God Be The Glory
 
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