The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

[Timtofly]

Luke 13:34-35
34 0 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
35 Behold, your HOUSE is left unto you DESOLATE [abandoned, alone, void of God]: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see [perceive] me, until the time come when YE [individually] SHALL SAY, Blessed is he [born again Christians] that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Rom. 10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

That is what I posted that the 144k and remnant will be redeemed and restored at the Second Coming to enjoy the restored Jerusalem ruled over by their King Jesus.

 

[Earburner]

That is what I posted that the 144k and remnant will be redeemed and restored at the Second Coming to enjoy the restored Jerusalem ruled over by their King Jesus.

Actually no. During this present Age of God's Grace, there is no difference or distinction in God's Eyes, as to who is a Jew and who is a Gentile.
For ALL who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, all of such are become New creatures, the likes of which, had never been seen or known before Jesus death and resurrection. He is the very "first resurrection", who was the "firstborn from the dead".

Since Pentecost, all we who are "born again" are "blessed and holy". For by His Spirit we are made to be "par-takers of the divine nature".
Col. 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

I perceive that the 144,000 is a figurative number, being those of Israel who were of faith and waiting for "the Promised One" to come. We see that God "remembered" them in Malachi 3:16.
These are the same, who are seen "under the altar" of the OC., who were given the Holy Spirit of Promise (white robes), upon Jesus' death and resurrection.
After the shedding of Christ's blood, God did not forget them.

EDIT: Surely, you don't believe that anyone under the OC. had the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit BEFORE the shedding of Christ's blood??

The above is the stark difference of what the Holy Spirit does teach, as opossed to what "the wisdom of men" teaches through "church-ianity".
1 Cor. 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 

[Earburner]

It's scary to think, that what I have posted about the 144,000, is not anything of the religious science fiction that all of church-ianity teaches.

 

[Earburner]

The 45 days is not a warning period. It is the period which the kings of the earth gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus.


13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

The7th angel sounding his trumpet announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be.


Not even. Revelation 11 begins as result of John eating the little book, taken from the hand of the mighty angel in Revelation 10:10-13.

Revelation 11:1-2 is the mighty angel giving instruction to John. Revelation 11:3 are words coming back up out of John's bitter stomach, found within the book. Verse 3 is God speaking through John.

In verse 4, John begins to prophesy after digesting the book.


I have seven seals spanning the 7 years. The seals are not the 3rd woe and I never said they are. The first seal begins with the Antichrist crowned the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

no way. Jesus returns at the end of the great tribulation. The trumpets are during the great tribulation.


no, there is not a 42 month interruption. The 7th angel sounds, signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. From that point, Satan will have but a time/times, half time left. During the time/times/half time , Satan will indwell the AoD statue image of the beast-king.


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The book of Rev. is not a stand alone book.
It is very much connected to all of the NT scriptures. Therefore, God's Holy Spirit is not going to speak forth the book of Rev., that it should be contrary to what He had spoken of through the Gospels and Epistles.

 

[Douggg]

The book of Rev. is not a stand alone book.
It is very much connected to all of the NT scriptures. Therefore, God's Holy Spirit is not going to speak forth the book of Rev., that it should be contrary to what He had spoken of through the Gospels and Epistles.

I think everyone knows that.

 

[Earburner]

I think everyone knows that.

Actually, most do not!
All of such interpret the NT scriptures through the book of Revelation, instead of interpreting Revelation through the NT scriptures.
If that weren't bad enough, church-ianity then makes matters worse, by taking many of the dead and defunct prophecies about Israel, and attempt to attach it to Christ's church.
As a result, many false doctrines, of a futuristic religious sci-fy thriller, are now running rampant throughout Christendom.

Case in point, from the KJV in Luke 17:26-30:
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in THE DAY WHEN the Son of man is REVEALED.

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be REVEALED from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[Douggg]

Actually, most do not!
All of such interpret the NT scriptures through the book of Revelation, instead of interpreting Revelation through the NT scriptures.
If that weren't bad enough, church-ianity then makes matters worse, by taking many of the dead and defunct prophecies about Israel, and attempt to attach it to Christ's church.
As a result, many false doctrines, of a futuristic religious sci-fy thriller, are now running rampant throughout Christendom.

Case in point, from the KJV in Luke 17:26-30:
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in THE DAY WHEN the Son of man is REVEALED.

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be REVEALED from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

What do you think this mystery is ? It covers the whole bible.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[Earburner]

What do you think this mystery is ? It covers the whole bible.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

It's the mystery of God's salvation through Jesus that was kept secret/hidden since the foundation of the world, and became manifest by the coming of Jesus in mortal flesh.

As for what we are to learn from the OT., is what Jesus said about it.
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Through OT scriptures, we are to look for Jesus, and through the Holy Spirit, we will find him being prophetically spoken of as "the Promised One" who was to come.
That is what Israel was to be looking for in faith, and not that of what they hoped that they themselves could be.

Therefore, in their blindness, Israel missed the day of their visitation, and still do, even to this day.
KJV Luke 19:41-45

As for the nation of Israel itself, it has no future with God, ever since 70AD.
However, every individual person of Israel, who does believe through faith, and confesses that the Messiah Jesus did come in the flesh, they do now have a relationship with God.
KJV Rom. 10
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

 

[Douggg]

It's the mystery of God's salvation through Jesus that was kept secret/hidden since the foundation of the world, and became manifest by the coming of Jesus in mortal flesh.

As for what we are to learn from the OT., is what Jesus said about it.
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Through OT scriptures, we are to look for Jesus, and through the Holy Spirit, we will find him being prophetically spoken of as "the Promised One" who was to come.
That is what Israel was to be looking for in faith, and not that of what they hoped that they themselves could be.

Therefore, in their blindness, Israel missed the day of their visitation, and still do, even to this day.
KJV Luke 19:41-45

As for the nation of Israel itself, it has no future with God, ever since 70AD.
However, every individual person of Israel, who does believe through faith, and confesses that the Messiah Jesus did come in the flesh, they do now have a relationship with God.
KJV Rom. 10
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

In Revelation 11:15, the 7th angel sounds. And in verses 16-19, the reaction in heaven is rejoicing.

From Revelation 8:13, we know that the 7th angel announces what the third woe is to the inhabiters of the earth. In Revelation 12:12 is that third woe. Satan cast down to earth having great wrath. But it also says...

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Which matches up with the reaction in Revelation 11:16-19 of them in heaven rejoicing.

In Revelation 18, we read about the fall of Babylon the Great, responsible for all slain upon the earth, in Revelation 18:24.

So, what is the mystery of God that will be finished in the days beginning when the 7th angel sound ?

It is the destruction of Satan and his angels' mystical (non-physical) kingdom of Babylon the great. The de-powering of Satan and his angels over the nations, that have caused so much trouble to creation ever since they first rebelled against God.

 

[ewq1938]

Case in point, from the KJV in Luke 17:26-30:
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in THE DAY WHEN the Son of man is REVEALED.

The world will be flooded with water again at the second coming and Sodom will be burned with fire a second time at the second coming? Interesting. What happens when the flood waters reach burning Sodom? Will fire win or will water win?

 

[Douggg]

The world will be flooded with water again at the second coming and Sodom will be burned with fire a second time at the second coming? Interesting. What happens when the flood waters reach burning Sodom? Will fire win or will water win?

What happened to the rainbow in the sky ?

 

[Earburner]

The world will be flooded with water again at the second coming and Sodom will be burned with fire a second time at the second coming? Interesting. What happens when the flood waters reach burning Sodom? Will fire win or will water win?

The answer is found in the latter part of my post #206, that you neglected to include for your comment.

EDIT:
All should read 2 Peter 3:3-13 as well.
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water,  PERISHED:

[7] BUT the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED [G5083- kept, destined to be fulfilled] UNTO FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

[8] But, beloved, BE NOT ignorant of this ONE THING, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY
[9] .......CONCERNING his PROMISE [of salvation and redemption],......is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[10] But [however] THE Day of the Lord WILL COME as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for NEW heavens and a NEW earth, where-IN dwelleth [God's] righteousness.

 

[ewq1938]

The answer is found in the latter part of my post #206, that you neglected to include for your comment.

You didn't say what would happen to Sodom at the second coming. Will it burn, or will the flood of water put the fire out?

 

[Earburner]

Mn

You didn't say what would happen to Sodom at the second coming. Will it burn, or will the flood of water put the fire out?

Jesus was using the saving of Lot  from the destruction of Sodom to be in the likeness of WHEN Jesus is revealed from heaven, in all His Immortal Glory of flaming fire. KJV 1 Thes. 2:7-10.

KJV Luke 17:28-29
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

KJV Luke 17
[30] EVEN THUS ["likewise"] shall it be in The Day WHEN the Son of man is REVEALED.

WHEN the Lord does return, it will be a simultaneous event of destruction for ALL the wicked, and redemption for ALL who did have faith in Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

Mn

Jesus was using the saving of Lot  from the destruction of Sodom to be in the likeness of WHEN Jesus is revealed from heaven, in all His Immortal Glory of flaming fire. KJV 1 Thes. 2:7-10.

KJV Luke 17:28-29
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

KJV Luke 17
[30] EVEN THUS ["likewise"] shall it be in The Day WHEN the Son of man is REVEALED.

WHEN the Lord does return, it will be a simultaneous event of destruction for ALL the wicked, and redemption for ALL who did have faith in Jesus.

You didn't say what would happen to Sodom at the second coming. Will it burn, or will the flood of water put the fire out?

 

[Earburner]

You didn't say what would happen to Sodom at the second coming. Will it burn, or will the flood of water put the fire out?

In my post #212, the scripture I referenced explains it.
[7] BUT the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED [G5083- kept, destined to be fulfilled] UNTO FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[ewq1938]

In my post #212, the scripture I referenced explains it.
[7] BUT the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED [G5083- kept, destined to be fulfilled] UNTO FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Are you saying the second version of Noah's flood at the second coming will be burned up by the fire that burns the city of Sodom the second time?

 

[Earburner]

Are you saying the second version of Noah's flood at the second coming will be burned up by the fire that burns the city of Sodom the second time?

I am not saying anything of the sort, of that which you are trying to fabricate.

Except for the eight people that God spared, during the flood of the whole earth in the Age of Noah, THAT world of all people upon the earth, was ENDED.
God repented that He made man and the animals. Gen. 6

However, the fiery destruction of Sodom, is an example of how God from heaven can destroy every living thing on the earth, as well as the earth itself, INCLUDING the physical heavens, by the literal FIRE of His REVEALED Eternal Presence.

Jesus used both past events to show that His coming return in flaming fire from heaven, will be bringing total and final destruction on all the wicked unsaved, as well as the whole earth, along with THE HEAVENS ALSO.
2 Peter 3
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night [suddenly]; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Heb. 12:22-29.
[29] For OUR God is a consuming fire.

 

[ewq1938]

I am not saying anything of the sort, of that which you are trying to fabricate.

I'll remind you what you posted and my questions:

Case in point, from the KJV in Luke 17:26-30:
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in THE DAY WHEN the Son of man is REVEALED.

The world will be flooded with water again at the second coming and Sodom will be burned with fire a second time at the second coming? Interesting. What happens when the flood waters reach burning Sodom? Will fire win or will water win?

 

[Earburner]

I'll remind you what you posted and my questions:




The world will be flooded with water again at the second coming

No! That is your thought, drawing a conclusion of what will happen upon Jesus' return from Heaven, in all His Immortal Glory.

and Sodom will be burned with fire a second time at the second coming?

No! That is your thought, drawing a conclusion of what will happen upon Jesus' return from Heaven, in all His Immortal Glory.

Interesting. What happens when the flood waters reach burning Sodom? Will fire win or will water win?

It's not about a FLOOD  of water, during Noah, or the FLAMING FIRE from heaven upon only one city, as that of Sodom, during Lot.

It's about the LAKE of FIRE (molten lava) upon the whole earth, ignited by the Eternal "flaming fire" of Jesus' visible and Immortal Presence. 2 Thes. 1:7-8.

2 Peter 3
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall MELT with fervent heat, the earth also AND the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[12] [We are to be] Looking for and HASTING UNTO the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved,
and the elements [Earth] shall MELT with fervent heat, aka
A LAKE [molten flood] OF FIRE.

Edit:
Rev. 20
[14] And death [everything that has mortal life] and hell [ the graves] were cast into "the lake of fire". This is the second death.
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It's NOT that God is going to gather up all the graves, with the remains of dead bodies in them, and then literally cast/throw them into the lake of fire. No! All the graves, on the entire planet, will be subject to the lake of fire, because the entire earth will be in the state of a flood of molten, fiery lava, due to the flaming fire of Jesus from Heaven.