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Taken

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Dear dear taken

Yes, if one reads those passage without looking at the entire context of those passages AND all of Scripture, what your men have taught you is true. I am not preaching that the sanctified can lose the sanctification. Scripture teaches that! Scripture is clear about that.

That is the crux of OSAS…you reject.

At your next bible study with your men, I beg you to PLEASE sneak off into a side room, study those cherry-picked verses in CONTEXT
OR get with someone outside your group of men you study with and get a different opinion.

I am not wandering kiddo nor in darkness kiddo. I am adhering to the 2,000 year teaching of Christianity. YOU are adhering to the most recent teaching of your men and when you see a new shiny teaching that you like from other men you will run to that. Always chasing the new shiny thing....

And last but not least! I am giggling; at you. I know I shouldn't be since you have been led astray by some strange teachings of men!!

“Dear, dear…
Kiddo…
Sneak off…
Cherry picking…
Most recent teaching of your men…”

ARE ALL noted and Irrelevant.

Already KNOW you misrepresent, fail to comprehend, failed to even acknowledge your understanding of “works”…and thus only have in your pocket, intended condescending and derogatory retorts that are meaningless.

SMIRK.
 

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Ok...You trust what God says. You have been taught that Scripture teaches "Those who ARE Sanctified ARE Forever WITH God."

I am going to suspend everything I already know about Scripture and act like a newbie Christian.

As a newbie Christian and anxious to be saved forever I would ask you: Preacher Taken, how do I become sanctified so that I am forever with God?

Ok false newbie…
What do “YOU” mean by “works”?
Define…even example to clarify your defining.

Hummm?
 
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”My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; and ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.“
‭‭James‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭26‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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”My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.“
‭‭James‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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”From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.“
‭‭James‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬-‭17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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”Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you. Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.“
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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@Taken, does James have any value concerning faith and works?

Yes,

James teaches how to understand if your faith is cold, so that you can get that solved by recognition.

He teaches.. "I will show you my faith by my WORKS"....

and if you have no works that prove you have faith, then that is because your faith is dead, or its inactive....

What kind of works prove your faith is vivid and dynamic and alive.

1.) Bible study
2.) Giving to the poor
3.) Prayer Life
4.) Praise Life.
5.) Being involved in ministry, and that has many flavors regarding outreach.
 

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Ok false newbie…
What do “YOU” mean by “works”?
Define…even example to clarify your defining.

Hummm?
Lol....why can't you just answer the question using Scripture to back up your answer?
 

Marymog

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Ok false newbie…
What do “YOU” mean by “works”?
Define…even example to clarify your defining.

Hummm?
Asking a question does not answer my question. You fancy yourself a teacher of The Word soooooo let's try again dodgeball. Teach me The Word.

Preacher Taken, how do I become sanctified so that I am forever with God?
 

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Good luck
Lol EG...I don't need luck. I have Scripture.

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Sooooo EG. How is my household saved by me believing?

Good luck.....
 

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Yes,

James teaches how to understand if your faith is cold, so that you can get that solved by recognition.

He teaches.. "I will show you my faith by my WORKS"....

and if you have no works that prove you have faith, then that is because your faith is dead, or its inactive....

What kind of works prove your faith is vivid and dynamic and alive.

1.) Bible study
2.) Giving to the poor
3.) Prayer Life
4.) Praise Life.
5.) Being involved in ministry, and that has many flavors regarding outreach.
Question, how can we be saved from eternal damnation, if we aren’t Born Of The Spirit?

Our spirit must become Born Again by the “ Living “ word of God!...

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I can’t relate to saved , without it imo in its proper context, Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation.....as we have had our spirit birthed into the Holy Spirit....” Spirit gives birth to spirit “.

If we don’t have the Spirit we are none of His.....also how can you know and believe in Jesus without the Spirit testifying with our spirit that we are Gods children.

It seems most members here have all different testimonies on how they were Born Again.....including me, being Born Of The Spirit is a supernatural/ Spiritual event in ones life that one will NEVER forget.
 

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James, Does James contradict Paul?

Paul :
eph 2: 8-9 - For it is by grace we have been saved through faith. and not of ourselves, it is the gift of God. not of WORKS lest anyone should boast.
Romans 4: 4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


James
James 2: 24 - You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

On the surface it appears they are. but are they really?

context.

Paul. writing to Jews who were trying to add work to the gospel. They were claiming that yes, we are saved by Grace, But you have to do these works also. or you will not be saved.

James. wrote particularly to jews who took pauls writing and went 180 degrees out. Saying you could just believe and you were saved no matter what. Hence you can be hearers of the word only. and do whatever you want.

Remember in Eph 2: 10. Paul said those saved by Grace will have works.. James is in effect saying, if you claim to have faith. But you have have no work at all. your hearers only not doers.. Is your faith real? Can it save you?

His answer is no.. Even demons believe.. True saving faith will have true works.
 

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“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”
Hello Mary.

Do you believe you can believe in Jesus without His Spirit?

Or do we need his Spirit to believe in Jesus, that he died and was resurrected....I’m just wondering how we would know this, without his Spirit witnessing Gods truth to our spirit?

In other words...how can we truly know God without His Spirit?

Hope that makes sense.
 

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Hello Mary.

Do you believe you can believe in Jesus without His Spirit?

Or do we need his Spirit to believe in Jesus, that he died and was resurrected....I’m just wondering how we would know this, without his Spirit witnessing Gods truth to our spirit?

In other words...how can we truly know God without His Spirit?

Hope that makes sense.
Your questions, that make no sense to me, has nothing to do with the passage I quoted.

Mary
 

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Question, how can we be saved from eternal damnation, if we aren’t Born Of The Spirit?

Great Question.

Thank you..

Answer.....

Every unbeliever is... John 3:36.....right now.

They are IN Damnation.., right now., still breathing.

And when they are SAVED.. born again...= they EXIT Damnation, and enter "eternal life", "in Christ".. "One with God".


See, the unbelievers are not waiting to be damned..
They are damned, already.. and are waiting to die to end up where the DAMNED, end up.

This is the "2nd Death"

The 1st Death is.. "In Adam we all DIE"

The 2nd Death is.. "eternal damnation after your die".

Christ came to end that for them..
He came to offer them a WAY OUT.. THE CROSS OF CHRIST = so that they END UP< with Him, after they die., and with Him down here, as "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".. having become a born again believer = "The Temple OF.. THE.. HOLY Spirit".

See that Temple?

That is to become "seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST" and that ONE will never end up "damned, in Hell".
 
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