The unknown single most important thing to be sure to know if you meet a JW.
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There will be some who won’t; those who saw Christ’s miracles, and still refused to put faith in Him (the Pharisees & Scribes, whom Jesus said would go to Gehenna, come to mind).
I guess just about most everyone will receive a resurrection, probably. That’s God’s love (1John 4:8); not only Jesus, but Jehovah Himself paid a heavy price for mankind (no wonder the Earth quaked & the skies grew dark, when His Son died).
He had it written that “the Devil … is misleading the entire inhabited earth” (Revelation 12:9), so Jehovah will keep that in mind on His Day of Judgement.
But He also can read our heart. He just may consider some of us “incorrigibly wicked.”
“Armageddon will destroy only the incorrigibly wicked, and there will be “a great crowd” of survivors. (Revelation 7:9-14) They will see these words come true: “Just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; and you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.”—Psalm 37:10, 11.”
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Just for the record, I decided to do an online search and there are a number of JW forums, and the membership requirements are that you are a JW xx
I see. I am not going to ask you any more. I don't want you to sit in judgment of who receives life and who does not.
You answered my question. Thank you.
Please read the passages below. Only Jesus can pay our sin debt. and He has. It is finished.
1 Cor 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
1 Peter 2:24
"He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness."
(that is now- in this life)
Col 2:13
And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings,
Rev 1:5
..and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—
Ro 5:16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one offense, resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the gracious gift arose from many offenses, resulting in justification.
There are so many passages like this. These are just a few. Jesus died for us for OUR sins. It is clear as day. Your death can't pay anything to God. You are not sinless.. Only Jesus was. Your death - It is the wage paid to you . IF you do not accept God's free gift in Christ our Lord. You have a choice.
You are all mixed up. I have been there. It can all be untangled and you can learn anew in Christ.
Don't fret about soul sleep, or the other sheep class, fires in hell or the trinity. None of that matters now. Just believe God's word. Jesus' death paid for our sins. It is TRUTH. It is plain as day.
We love because He first loved us. 1 John 4:19
And none are sanctioned, sponsored, or supported by the Organization! None.
There are millions of us, all over the world. Individual JW’s have started forums, but none are supported or officially approved by the Society.
That’s for the record.
Rockerduck
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If you can't say for sure right now, you have eternal life through Jesus Christ, then you don't and will never have eternal life or forgiveness of sins. Born again from above Christians who have salvation through Jesus Christ by the saving Grace of God are written in the Lambs Book of Life from the foundation of the world. Revelation 17:8 and Revelation 20:15
That doesn’t alter the fact that you claimed there were none , it doesn’t matter if they are not sanctioned as they are still JW forums. I merely stated a fact xxx
Just out of interest- are you relaying that you would not go to those forums because they are not sanctioned, in other words your church would not agree with them ?
If that’s the case why are you here as I am certain this forum would equally not be sanctioned by your church , unless of course you view this more as an out reach and part of your mission.
Debp
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I think the JWs are here to proselytize. Btw, they go to "Kingdom Halls."
Yes I realise they go to Kingdom Halls but in all honesty ‘ Church ‘ means a place to worship or a group of people who worship.- so I figured The HC would know what I meant x
Dash RipRock
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Thank you for your post. Now I know who to put on ignore
I don't want to be associating with known cult members.
Eggshactly!
And they have been brainwashed so it's a waste of time to talk to them because they are reprobate and unteachable.
Instead as you pointed out, they are here to gain converts.
The wages of sin is death, as you already know. Did you know that there are two deaths, sister? The first one is when a person dies. The second one is the lake of fire. People who have physically died are still alive but are either in the paradise of God or they are in Hades (Hell or gehenna). On Judgement day, these unbelievers will be judged and their place will be the eternal lake of fire.
Yes that is the only reason. Have I not been called a LIAR and JUDAS by them enough yet, and proven them to be the liars?
AND YES @TheHC and @Aunty Jane know full well that there are JW websites that WE are all restricted from even reading!
and YES to @Rita JWs are forbidden to go on those websites. And YES, they are here to make converts and count their time as "works".
and YES, JWS teach that when they die it is payment for their own sins. @TheHC FINALLY admitted it on here.
IT is NOT what the scriptures teach, of course! JWS DO NOT TEACH TRUTH.
Hi Angelina,
With all respect, please know that your question is what they want you to ask, so they can spew their soul sleep quotes again and again, and the thread goes nowhere with 400 posts about it. It is precisely what they always try to do- divert the topic that they don't like to discuss. Hear me out, please? Soul sleep and hating the trinity are what they love to argue. Neither the trinity or afterlife prior to resurrection of the body are at issue here. SDA's teach souls sleep, but they do not deny Jesus' atonement for our sins!
Matthias' Church of God denies the trinity but does not deny Jesus' atonement for our sins!
The issue here is JWs deny that Jesus' blood forgives our sins. They also don't think that doing bad deed in this life matters since when they die they pay for their own sins.
No, JWs do not believe anything we do. Except, we all have sinned. Here is a very brief list of JW teachings
Jesus's death does not pay for their sins.
Bad deeds in this life do not count since death pays for sins.
When they die they paid for their own sins, so auto-resurrection
(wages of sin = their sin debt paid by dying. acquitted by dying.<-- Jesus not needed-
He paid for Adam's original sin only- to give people a 2nd chance after we die --Adam's sin is not forgiven
The Word is a god.
Jesus is a god-aka Michael the archangel.
Michaels life force was transferred to Mary's womb
Jesus was fully human only perfect.
When Jesus died the life-force went back to Michael
Jesus' body did not rise.
He is dead forever.
Michael was re-created by God when Jesus died.
When we die we are unaware- unconsciously asleep in the grave (hell , hades, sheol)
Rich man & Lazarus merely a parable.
Bad deeds in this life do not count since death pays for sins.
When they die they paid for sins, so auto-resurrection. (wages of sin = our sin debt paid. acquitted by dying.- Jesus not needed- He paid for original sin only to give people a 2nd chance after death )
Trinity is antichrist
You must be a JW if you want to survive the Great Trib and Armageddon
Jesus returned in 1914 and chose them only true church in 1919
Apostles resurrected to heaven 1918--19
JW religion = The Truth. The Holy Spirit guides only them
There's more if needed.........
Dash RipRock
Active Member
That's where the plan their schemes to deceive others in to joining their cult
They don't want outsiders from knowing what they are planning.
But according to board rules they are welcome here to talk their deception because they "claim" to be Christians.
So all the stuff you just wrote they will complain to board staff and try to get you banned.
Not because you did anything wrong, but because you are outing them and revealing their deception and telling others what they really believe showing how their beliefs are not biblical.
Eventually the forum rules will be used against actual Christians and taken over by cults forcing the Christians off the forum.
Maybe whoever actually owns the forum could get saved and realize this and stop it someday
23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Verse 23 in context says death is the punishment for sins. Yes it is.. it is eternal death. Sin wage = death. It is what you've earned. It is not you paying God. It is God paying you your wage ( what you have earned) for sin. Do you see?!!!!!
Happily, Paul's sentence continues.. That Death= WAGE for the sinner is being contrasted with the FREE GIFT of God of eternal life only found in Christ.
There are two opposing absolutes there. Do you see them?
SIN-- brings punishment, your wage, what you have earned, your pay =DEATH.
VS.
ETERNAL LIFE (*everlasting, let's not split hairs) -- Is not a wage. See the change? It's a what? A gift. You can't earn it. It's not what you deserve or earned. YOU don't deserve this GIFT. It's a GIFT. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, this is not of yourselves, it is a” – What? – “gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.
There is only ONE WAY for all to have their sins forgiven. God has sent His ONLY SON, JESUS to pay for our sins. HE IS THE ONLY WAY.
So, if you want what you deserve, God will give it to you.= DEATH But if you want what you don’t deserve,+ His Gift-- God will give that to you as well! There is NO OTHER WAY. ONLY by the BLOOD OF JESUS! There is NO OTHER WAY. HE is the WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
Please read this over and over until you truly understand. Take your good ole time. Over and over and over... then believe God! I know it is upsetting to think that the Watchtower is wrong in telling you that you can pay for your own sins. BUT we have to believe God, not man. Jehovah requires a spotless, blameless lamb! <----- That's not you or me! That's JESUS!
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24
Do you want to come under judgment, HC? Or pass from death to life?
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. John 5;28-29
46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matthew 25:46
Those who are dead in tombs-------Your evil deeds in this life will bring you under judgment & shame & punishment & wrath & condemnation, not LIFE
Keep reading HC--
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2
God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” / To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life. / But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness there will be wrath and anger. Ro 2:6-8
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18
And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. / Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
Jo 3:36-- 1 John 5:11
Your confusion begins here. You do not believe that Jesus' death pays for our sins! YOU REJECT HIM. You ignored my last post with the verses that say that HE DID. There are many more if you want them ,just ask me.
Once you BELIEVE GOD and what the scriptures say- then you will confess the truth in Christ- that only Jesus Christ can pay for your sins and He did- That is Believing in JESUS!-- ONLY then, new life will come into your heart. - circumcise your hard heart into flesh. ONLY then will you desire good deeds to others, and you will be walking in the works of love that God has for you to do. Those are your good deeds. You see what you DO IN THIS LIFE DOES MATTER. Good works won't SAVE you alone- Jesus saves you FIRST, and then your FAITH produces good works. You have to trust Jesus and what He did the day He was crucified on the tree. He died so you could be forgiven your sins. Believe in Him means BELIEVE THAT_ TRULY BELIEVE HIS WORKS.<-------- YOU MUST START THERE
He does it all through us.
God will do what He sees fit. The scriptures speak. Not us. Soul sleep or not- doesn't matter- the unrighteous will be raised and judged by their wicked deeds. Sins not forgiven in Christ. It's been over 2000 years. There is no excuse not to seek His face. Look at creation-Ro 1:20 We all can see God. W cant have the Father w/o the Son. Every knee will bow Phil 2-10-11, Isaiah 45:23 and they will KNOW whom they have pierced. Zech 12:10, John 19:37, Rev 1:7
OR you can pass from death to life by trusting in Jesus now, which then bears good fruits.
Eph 2:8-10, Titus 3:5-7, John 5:24, Ro 3:24, Ro 5:1-2, etc.........................
You have a view of a literal 1000 yr reign. I do not. That's part of your problem too. But since the JW leaders can't teach Jesus properly and tell you that your bad deeds don't matter since you can pay for you own sins- no wonder they can't grasp Rev. either.
Obviously ,I AM NOT ON JANE'S IGNORE LIST- She still clicks LIKE on HC's posts LOL AUNTY JANE LIES AGAIN.
She would not see my thread if I was on ignore. She just lies non-stop.
And why NOT SIN? Bad deeds don't matter in this life to a JW!!! Un real........
Dash RipRock
Active Member
Who said they were sponsored an for approved by the watchtower? No one.
Are Christian forums sponsored by the Churches? No. You just make excuses. You lied and said there were none. Yes there are. And you know it.
It is ok to lie if you are a JW. We know. Believe me, oh I I know, firsthand.
lol We will never know. It's all a secret...! Most Jws have no idea that they are being deceived. They believe they are doing a sacred service to God. The ones here-- who knows. They see what we post and stick to their guns anyway. Most JWs will obey the Watchtower orders NO MATTER what. They are told they must. Remember, we don't fight against flesh and blood. The Watchtower has a history of spiritism. Johannes Greber and other things
Yes, they do lie, and I have proven beyond all doubt on this very thread that they are not Christians.
Moderators can do as they wish. I have done what I needed to do. I did this for the innocent people here.
If they ban me, that's ok. I don't mind. If all a person needs to do is say they believe in the trinity and not be held accountable for lying, denying what Jesus did for us, saying our sins don't matter, on and on and on... then I don't want to be here. Do you?
Dash RipRock
Active Member
I knew they weren't.
Back in the day I used to go out with church youth groups witnessing and the JWs get people twisted all around on scripture.
I was pretty young in the Lord at the time all I knew was I could tell the Holy Spirit was telling them they were nuts and to just walk away.
Later I did some research and studied from some of the folks that had been delivered out of their cult who were called to write books about how to counter their false doctrine and I gather some really good notes notes
It's very time consuming to deal with these folks on discussion forums and I typically don't have the patience for it, but thank you for taking the time do expose them
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