The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[The Light]

No, there are the 7 years of the 70th week left.

There are not 7 years remaining of the 70th week of Daniel.

Daniel 9
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

Messiah the prince was revealed after 69 weeks. Jesus was cut off 3 to 3.5 years later. Those years were after the 69th week occurred during the first part of the 70th week.

Those 7 years are the same 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

Ezekiel 39:9 happens after the 1000 years just as the Word of God says.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 9
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

Messiah the prince was revealed after 69 weeks. Jesus was cut off 3 to 3.5 years later. Those years were after occurred during the first part of the 70th week.

It does not say "revealed". Jesus arrived in Jerusalem riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel (the messiah) by the crowd, John 12:12-15. Four days later Jesus was crucified.

Ezekiel 39:9 happens after the 1000 years just as the Word of God says.

No, there is no 7 years following the destruction of the nations armies that come up against Israel and Jerusalem in Revelation 20:8-9.

Ezekiel 39 lays out the framework which all of the end times times frames fit.

Gog/Magog - then the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 as the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27 - then at the end of the 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20, the feast on the dead at Jesus's return - then in Ezekiel 39:21-29 Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having return to this earth, His Second Coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not sure what the problem was. Here are my quotes from my posts

"I say the final 7 years begins when a covenant with many is made."

"As I said...........with scriptural proof...............the 7 year period will begin when a covenant with many is made such as the UN 7 year covenant that was made with many in September 2023.

We will not know which covenant it is until the Antichrist confirms a seven year covenant."

Are you saying that you believe the covenant is made at the beginning of the 7 years and confirmed at the end of the seven years?

This is no scripture that I am aware of that tells us when the covenant with many is made. After the 7-year covenant with many is made, I don't think we can determine if it is the covenant being spoken of until the Antichrist confirms it. For instance, when the UN made a 7 year covenant with many on 9/2023 we won't know if that is the correct covenant until it is confirmed by the Antichrist.

I know you don't believe this, however, the rapture of the Church will happen before the antichrist comes to power. There will be an immediate world government as "the aliens" have attacked according to the lie that will be passed to the world. Then God turns His attention to the 12 tribes across the earth. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits.

I don't mind you explaining your view to me even though you know I disagree with it (all of it, honestly). But, one thing you said here stood out that I wasn't aware that you believed. You think that a world government will be formed because of a perceived alien attack? As in, aliens from outer space?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The sanctuary in Daniel 8:13-14 is referring to the temple building. That you don't want to acknowledge that the temple that the Jews are going to build is for their worship and praise of the One True God is irrelevant to what is going to happen.

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

You are not addressing my argument. Explain how a temple that God Himself would not approve of and does not command to be built could be considered "the temple of God"? Never before has a temple, literal or spiritual, that was called "the temple of God" not been a temple that God Himself would call His temple.

 

[The Light]

Are you saying that you believe the covenant is made at the beginning of the 7 years and confirmed at the end of the seven years?

No. I'm saying the covenant with many is made and then later, example..........2 years later the Antichrist confirms it.

I don't mind you explaining your view to me even though you know I disagree with it (all of it, honestly). But, one thing you said here stood out that I wasn't aware that you believed. You think that a world government will be formed because of a perceived alien attack? As in, aliens from outer space?

Yes. That is when the world government will be formed. They will tell you aliens have come and taken all the people away. There are so many movies with people disappearing............take some of the Avenger's movies for instance. People disappear. The whole alien thing is a complete crock. There are no aliens. There are fallen angels however.

When the pretribulation rapture occurs, the lie will be the aliens have come and taken people away. They will claim we need a world government to stand against these aliens. They will have news reports showing alien ships flying around. There will be actual giant ships flying around to fool the world. In 1937 they built the Hindenburg which was 804 feet......which is 100 ft short of 3 football fields. With todays technology it's hard to imagine what they can do. Also with holograms they can have you believing what you see.

Satan knows there is a pretribulation rapture which is the first harvest. He has to explain it away.

A couple of years age a friend of mine wanted me to watch a movie that he really liked. He had already seen it because it was released where he lived and it was coming to my area while he visited. We watched most of it and then he is all excited because we always challenge each other when we are watching movies as to who did it or what will happen. So he says "you will never, ever, guess what is going to happen. I said I know what is going to happen and he says there is no way. I said a bunch of people are about to disappear. He was in shock because that was exactly what happened

They've been telling us "beam me up Scotty" since the 60's. Satan has programmed the world because he knows exactly what is going to happen...........the pretribulation rapture.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The temple of God will be built by the Jews for the worship and praise of the One True God. Nor for the worship and praise directed at the Jews themselves.

you are actually talking to amil spirit.
A totally different bible.

 

[Douggg]

You are not addressing my argument. Explain how a temple that God Himself would not approve of and does not command to be built could be considered "the temple of God"? Never before has a temple, literal or spiritual, that was called "the temple of God" not been a temple that God Himself would call His temple.

Daniel 8:13-14 cancels any argument you may have against it happening. It is going to happen. There is going to be a temple built by the Jews which they will be worshiping and praising the One True God.

And offering animal sacrifices which the little horn (the Antichrist) is going to stop and commit the transgression of desolation.

When Jesus returns, He is going to cleanse the temple of those things that will have made it desolate from worship and praise of the One True God. The abomination of desolation statue image is going to be turned to ashes exposing Satan there on the temple mount. Which in Revelation 20:1-3, the angel comes down from heaven, binds Satan with a chain, and Satan cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Daniel 8:13-14 cancels any argument you may have against it happening. It is going to happen.

No, it is not. You have done NOTHING to show how some future physical temple could be considered "the temple of God". You just completely ignore my argument that God would never consider such a temple to be His temple and any temple that has ever been "the temple of God" is one that God would call His temple.

There is going to be a temple built by the Jews which they will be worshiping and praising the One True God.

That means nothing if that happens, which it probably won't, anyway.

And offering animal sacrifices which the little horn (the Antichrist) is going to stop and commit the transgression of desolation.

Who cares? That's meaningless if that happens. Any future animal sacrifices would be completely meaningless and pointless.

When Jesus returns, He is going to cleanse the temple of those things that will have made it desolate from worship and praise of the One True God.

What would Jesus care about some temple built by those who reject Him? This is nonsense.

 

[Douggg]

You just completely ignore my argument that God would never consider such a temple to be His temple and any temple that has ever been "the temple of God" is one that God would call His temple.

You are giving your opinion, trying to rationalize some reason that bible prophecy is not going to be fulfilled. Differently, I am quoting the text in the bible that a temple will be built for the praise and worship of the One True God where animal sacrifice will begin again, and later be stopped by the little horn (Antichrist).

What would Jesus care about some temple built by those who reject Him? This is nonsense.

The Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle of the 70th week after their bad experience of thinking that the Antichrist is their king of Israel messiah.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are giving your opinion, trying to rationalize some reason that bible prophecy is not going to be fulfilled.

You can't even bring yourself to address my argument. I can only conclude that the reason you don't even attempt to address my argument is that you know I'm right, but you would rather believe whatever you want to believe. But, feel free to prove me wrong by actually addressing my argument.

Differently, I am quoting the text in the bible that a temple will be built for the praise and worship of the One True God where animal sacrifice will begin again, and later be stopped by the little horn (Antichrist).

That can't possibly be referring to a future temple, though, and I'm showing you why. But, you don't care about that. You don't care that "the temple of God" must be a temple that God Himself would call His temple. You don't care about the scriptures which say He no longer dwells in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24). For some reason, you think you can just ignore those scriptures and ignore that you're changing "the temple of God" into some wannabe, fake temple of God that God Himself would not consider to be His temple instead.

 

[Douggg]

That can't possibly be referring to a future temple, though, and I'm showing you why. But, you don't care about that. You don't care that "the temple of God" must be a temple that God Himself would call His temple. You don't care about the scriptures which say He no longer dwells in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24). For some reason, you think you can just ignore those scriptures and ignore that you're changing "the temple of God" into some wannabe, fake temple of God that God Himself would not consider to be His temple instead.

Where will Satan be standing when Revelation 20:1-3 takes place ?

Where will the beast-king and the false prophet be when Revelation 19:20 takes place

Where spot will Jesus return to when Revelation 19:19-21 takes place ?

 

[WitnessX]

You all love to argue over nonsense. Pay attention to what’s going on around you. The time is short.