THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT

[Doug]

You were talking about the new testament not being in force until Jesus died.

It is actually his new covenant that required his death,blood,to seal the covenant. Which transpired when he died on the cross. That is the meaning of our sins being "under the blood".

They are erased by his sacrifice for our sins. That propitiation for our sins.

After he died on the cross and forever his new covenant is in force.

And the new testimony in our Bibles tells us why that is the truth.

[Heb 13:20 KJV] 20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

 

[Doug]

keep going - don't stop there as you are on the WAY

where do want me to go

 

[David in NJ]

where do want me to go

JESUS Says: "IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE"

 

[Doug]

JESUS Says: "IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE"

I acknowlege that
What point exactly are you making

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I read Matthew 12 and I dont know what events lead you to say the gospel of the kingdom ceased

I did not say cease but postponed to a future generation. The event was the Blasphemy of the Spirit whom the leadership of Israel committed when they attributed th emiravcles of the Holy Spirit through Jesus to Beezebub.

They could not be told to preach Paul's gospel since it wasnt revealed to Paul at that time

But it was revealed to the Apostles. All peoples only have one gospel for salvation- trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for the full payment of their sins. Then they are born again and saved forever! All other teachings are how to conduct life.

Pauls other teachings are about living as gentile believers in the one body of jesus Christ. Jewish believers had different practices but the same gospel.

[Mat 28:19-20 KJV] 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

There is no mention of preaching the gospel of the kingdom in Matthew 28 because it was fulfilled
They were to teach the Gentile nations that enter the kingdom

No they were to tteach Gentiles to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sins.

The JW's are busy preaching the gospel of the kingdom with a heretical twist. But the gospel of the kingdom is not the purview of the church. Since pentecost it is the gospel of salvation we are commanded to preach to all peoples (nations)

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

[Heb 13:20 KJV] 20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Correct. The blood is the life.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Hello @Sister-in-Christ,

* The Gospels record the birth of Israel's King, His proclamation, and rejection by Israel in the land: His sacrificial death, burial, quickening, and resurrection. The book of Acts records His ascension, His proclamation by 'them that heard Him', and by those Apostles chosen by the risen Christ; Followed by His rejection by Israel, in the Diaspora (Acts 28) after approximately forty years probation and opportunity for repentance, and their subsequent departure into the darkness of unbelief: except for the believing remnant Whom God had called out from among them.

* Regarding the new covenant, it is now in abeyance, awaiting Israels repentance, which will surely come.

(11) 'But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come,
by a greater and more perfect tabernacle,
not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
(12) Neither by the blood of goats and calves,
but by His own blood He entered in once into the holy place,
having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer
sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ,
Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

(15) And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, (i.e., covenant) ​

that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, ​

they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.​

(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.​

(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: ​

otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.​

(18) Whereupon neither the first testament (i.e., covenant) was dedicated without blood.​

(19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law,
he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop,
and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
(20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament (i.e., covenant) which God hath enjoined unto you.
(21) Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
(22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these;
but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
(24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true;
but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:'
(Hebrews 9:11-25)

'Now the God of peace,
that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus,
that great shepherd of the sheep,
through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Make you perfect in every good work to do His will,
working in you that which is well-pleasing in His sight,
through Jesus Christ; to Whom be glory for ever and ever.'
Amen.'
(Heb 13:20-21)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

The gospel is suspended?
So, no Christian is actually saved?

 

[David in NJ]

I acknowlege that
What point exactly are you making

Ezekiel ch36

 

[Doug]

I did not say cease but postponed to a future generation. The event was the Blasphemy of the Spirit whom the leadership of Israel committed when they attributed th emiravcles of the Holy Spirit through Jesus to Beezebub.

Ok I see
[Act 8:25 KJV] 25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
What gospel do you think was being preached here

 

[Doug]

But it was revealed to the Apostles.

What scripture says the twelve apostles had Paul's gospel revealed to them to preach before Paul was converted

 

[Doug]

Ezekiel ch36

Care to tell me plainly what you are saying

 

[Doug]

I did not say cease but postponed to a future generation. The event was the Blasphemy of the Spirit whom the leadership of Israel committed when they attributed th emiravcles of the Holy Spirit through Jesus to Beezebub.

Peter was still preaching the kingdom........Christ will come to set up the prophetic kingdom
[Act 3:20 KJV] 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

 

[complete]

The gospel is suspended?
So, no Christian is actually saved?

With respect,@Sister-in-Christ,

That is not what I said.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

With respect,@Sister-in-Christ,

That is not what I said.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

You said, "Regarding the new covenant, it is now in abeyance, awaiting Israels repentance, which will surely come."

Perhaps it is that you don't know the definition of abeyance?
"A state of temporary disuse or suspension."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok I see
[Act 8:25 KJV] 25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
What gospel do you think was being preached here

That Jesus died and physically rose from the dead to save them! It was not repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

Peter was still preaching the kingdom........Christ will come to set up the prophetic kingdom
[Act 3:20 KJV] 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

He preached Jesus death and resurrection. And because this was a Jewish audience He also told them of the kingdom that Jesus will bring when He returns. This added message was for Jewish hearers only who responded to the gospel and get saved.

What scripture says the twelve apostles had Paul's gospel revealed to them to preach before Paul was converted

Do you really believe the Apostles did not know that Jesus died and physically rose from the dead to pay for our sins? And that by trusting in Him one is saved?

Peter preached the gospel on the day of Pentecost. But remember because his audience was nearly all Jewish, it had a very Jewish flavor to it. Speaking of much OT passages to gentiles would be foolish. Nearly all Gentiles had no knowledge of the OT. but Peter could point to eh OT to show Jesus was the Messiah promised by god.

 

[Helen]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.

…been away from here for a while…so I’m pages behind on reading to catch up….

just wanted to say …Agree OP , ….so many have never understood this..

blessings …H

 

[David in NJ]

…been away from here for a while…so I’m pages behind on reading to catch up….

just wanted to say …Agree OP , ….so many have never understood this..

blessings …H

Oh Helen - Why?

 

[Helen]

Oh Helen - Why?

Hi there

Why what ?

 

[David in NJ]

Hi there

Why what ?

Why not?

Why the OP is not true? = The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

 

[Helen]

Why not?

Why the OP is not true? = The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

The New testament started with the book of acts …Jesus Himself ended the old testament, ascended , and presented His spotless blood to The Father .
…the New covenant in His blood.