Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

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You should have looked at that verse you posted, about 3 posts back..........as then you would have realized that your posts you were sending, were not theologically informed, or even very well thought out.

Im glad you have now read a little more bible.

Be sure to read these to learn more about the Real God and the Real Christ The Lord, and the Apostle Paul.

Titus 1:10

2 Tim 4:14

Acts 5:5,10

Romans 12:19

1 Thess 4:6

:2 Thess 1: 8-9



If you are doing the devil's work on a Forum. (teaching a false Gospel) .......then you are a deceived Christian, or a literal son of the Devil.
So, they prove that themselves..........i just highlight it.
Ive never said to anyone here, 'you are a son of the devil".....or "you are not a Christian".

Now........Jesus declares all unbelievers........as : "You are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father, you shall do"..

So, if the Devil owns a Believers mind, they are being used as if they are a son of the devil.
If they are not born then they are literally a son/daugter of the Devil.

Hebrews 13:9... KJV.... teaches that there are man made : "doctrines of Devils'., and they will capture your mind, unless you do what that verse says to do with your "HEART".

So, a deceiver can be a christian, who is deceived by the devil...."mind blinded" and that is why they believe and teach false theology, and a False Gospel, and believe it is true and that they are "led of the spirit" to do it.



"you shall know them by their fruit"..

So, on a forum, we can't see each other in real life, so, we evaluate a person's Christianity, their BELIEF SYSTEM, = as their posted Theology, and POSTS..... as this is their Spiritual FRUIT on display for all to evaluate.
And if they post Cross Rejecting Heresy... A False Gospel.... (Hyper Calvinism.. or Baptismal Regeneration, or Universalism, ect).......and you defend them, then you are also defending their right to teach heresy... that is designed to harm the faith of real believers, and in the case of the Universalism Gospel........its designed to send a unbeliever to HELL.
I dont defend that by trying to bend the bible to do it, or by any other means. @Carl Emerson

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Mmmm... don't see 'belief system' in the list....

Judging by the tone of your posts I struggle to see these attitudes in your posts.
 

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Au contraire; God Precious Word of Truth Is An Inexhaustible Mine of Precious Gems Awaiting:

the diligent to "dig Them out!"​
Amen.
By all means stick to the written sources, 73, 66, 80 books, to number a few, of the bibles available that contain God Precious Words of Truth.

Maybe it's like with the historical Jesus, the Son of Man, when He was on earth delivering God's words He received from His Father to His own people, the Jews, in their own land of Israel, in His time, 33 years.

Was that the end of God's words of truth being revealed to the Jews? Was God not going to speak to the Gentiles? Was He not going to speak outside of Isreal? Was that it, time is up, God has pushed the mute button so no more words of God?

I recall Jesus telling His disciples the opposite. He wasn't going to leave them as orphans but would send His Spirit to teach them what He couldn't. That He had other sheep besides the lost sheep of Israel. He said go into ALL the world, to all nations.

God's Spirit has never stopped bringing new revelation to the church. God's expressed thoughts are forever being expressed from the heart of God. For out of the overflow of His heart He keeps speaking truth to His creation.

Wake up church and see, hear, know the Spirit of Truth. For He never stops leading us into ALL truth.

Praise God for His generosity in that He continues to share and reveal Himself to His creation.
 
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Jesus said His sheep will hear His voice.
Are you listening?

This way beyond Bible reading. IMHO

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Of course Christ is. To listen to the Spirit Christ sent to the church is normal. I am amazed to find that those who have studied the scriptures and the bible have not got a personal relationship with Christ's Spirit.

They don't talk to Him, listen out for Him. They don't worship Him. Many won't even acknowledge Him and His existence.

They attribute so much of the evil and deception that happens within the church to Him. They call what he teaches false doctrine.

He wants to be known but many reject Him and grieve Him. Why would anyone who loves Jesus Christ and His Father want to reject Their Gift, the Divine Companion.
 

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There is another serious aspect to this...

That which is not of faith is sin.

Faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ.

Personal works not ordained of Him and motivated by His Love come to naught.

Much Christian activity fails this basic test.

Knowing the map is one thing - walking in The Way with Him is a different matter altogether.

Very often the reason folks do not walk in His Way is because they are afraid to totally surrender their will to Him.
 
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There is another serious aspect to this...

That which is not of faith is sin.

Faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ.

Personal works not ordained of Him and motivated by His Love come to naught.

Much Christian activity fails this basic test.

Knowing the map is one thing - walking in The Way with Him is a different matter altogether.

Very often the reason folks do not walk in His Way is because they are afraid to totally surrender their will to Him.
Yes, we can hear the word of Christ as a matter of course. He speaks in real time, live. No need for a delayed telecast or replay.

I listen out for Jesus's words to me each day and He speaks. I don't read the bibles any more as they caused me to get lazy in the discipline of listening and hearing what the Spirit is saying to the church and me personally. As a friend once said, it is more convenient for me to go to the bible to find answers. God can take a long time to give me a direct answer.

The discipline of patiently listening for the Spirit of Christ to communicate a specific direct personal word from Christ is worth the wait. It has saved me a lot of potential stress and wasted time.
 

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There is another serious aspect to this...

That which is not of faith is sin.

Faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ.

Personal works not ordained of Him and motivated by His Love come to naught.

Much Christian activity fails this basic test.

Knowing the map is one thing - walking in The Way with Him is a different matter altogether.

Very often the reason folks do not walk in His Way is because they are afraid to totally surrender their will to Him.
Sadly, the well-intentioned soul that wakes up in the morning thinking,
"What can I do for the Lord today?" is off on the wrong foot.
Even Jesus would not go where the Father had not directed Him.

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Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Mmmm... don't see 'belief system' in the list....

Judging by the tone of your posts I struggle to see these attitudes in your posts.
The "tone" as you put , is key in discerning when "you do not know what spirit you are of" comes in to play. And you are playing :hmhehm well, brother Carl. I still remember the days of LIVING in the Jesus movement. We....me anyway, had heard a 'saying' back then that still resonates as truth today. TRUE LOVE is better FELT than TELLT. Out of the abundance of your heart, some of us here, FEEL the warmth of your love. :shine:
 
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The "tone" as you put , is key in discerning when "you do not know what spirit you are of" comes in to play. And you are playing :hmhehm well, brother Carl. I still remember the days of LIVING in the Jesus movement. We....me anyway, had heard a 'saying' back then that still resonates as truth today. TRUE LOVE is better FELT than TELLT. Out of the abundance of your heart, some of us here, FEEL the warmth of your love. :shine:

That is the fragrance of life to life. (this is Him working through us)

We are in Melbourne on holiday praying each day for exactly that to manifest in every encounter... (and He sets them up.)

My wife caught up with a friend from 50 years back - we shared about faith in Jesus - on the way out of the cafe I tripped and flipped right over onto concrete and got up without a scratch or a pain - I am 79 - He is ever faithful.

I just wrote this on another thread...

How does.... "God is at work within you, to will and to do of His Good Purpose - fit into your thoughts ???

Likewise "If by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the flesh, you will live"

Then this... "I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone."

Is not our calling to walk in the Spirit which is a surrender to His Spirit and not our effort ???
 
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Yes, we can hear the word of Christ as a matter of course. He speaks in real time, live. No need for a delayed telecast or replay.

I listen out for Jesus's words to me each day and He speaks. I don't read the bibles any more as they caused me to get lazy in the discipline of listening and hearing what the Spirit is saying to the church and me personally. As a friend once said, it is more convenient for me to go to the bible to find answers. God can take a long time to give me a direct answer.

The discipline of patiently listening for the Spirit of Christ to communicate a specific direct personal word from Christ is worth the wait. It has saved me a lot of potential stress and wasted time.

For me I have had years of preparation before being called into the service I describe, including a ton of bible reading.
 

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I am amazed to find that those who have studied the scriptures and the bible have not got a personal relationship with Christ's Spirit.
God Alone Is The Judge (not men, amazed or not); along with diligent 'study' according to
Bible study Rules, I also 'thank' The Blessed Holy Spirit for:

"Praying for me/Helping my infirmities By His Grace!" (# 7):

”And He That Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind Of The Spirit, Because He
Maketh Intercession for the saints According To The Will Of God. Likewise The Spirit Also​
Helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: But The​
Spirit Itself Maketh Intercession For us with groanings which cannot be uttered!”​
(Romans 8:27-28) =

Believing is where God Establishes The Eternal 'Relationship' (God's OPERATION) with every
saint, so why is not 'praying
( even ignorantly?) and giving thanks' then personal communion
(2 Corinthians 13:14 AV) With The Blessed Holy Spirit, the Relationship already Having Been
Established ( "
By Grace Through faith" ) By God Himself?
Amen.
 

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For me I have had years of preparation before being called into the service I describe, including a ton of bible reading.
That's good for you my friend. But for me the way I've been prepared for serving in and outside the church is through a relationship with the Holy Spirit. I have not read the bible, as in studying it, for years.

My personal relationship with Christ and Father has definitely grown over this time.
 

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God Alone Is The Judge (not men, amazed or not); along with diligent 'study' according to
Bible study Rules, I also 'thank' The Blessed Holy Spirit for:

"Praying for me/Helping my infirmities By His Grace!" (# 7):

”And He That Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind Of The Spirit, Because He
Maketh Intercession for the saints According To The Will Of God. Likewise The Spirit Also​
Helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: But The​
Spirit Itself Maketh Intercession For us with groanings which cannot be uttered!”​
(Romans 8:27-28) =

Believing is where God Establishes The Eternal 'Relationship' (God's OPERATION) with every
saint, so why is not 'praying
( even ignorantly?) and giving thanks' then personal communion
(2 Corinthians 13:14 AV) With The Blessed Holy Spirit, the Relationship already Having Been
Established ( "
By Grace Through faith" ) By God Himself?
Amen.
I wasn't saying everyone who identifies as a Christian and reads the bible doesn't have a relationship with the Spirit of Christ, but many don't.

Many won't talk to Him let along worship Him Who is God, the Holy Ghost.
 

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That's good for you my friend. But for me the way I've been prepared for serving in and outside the church is through a relationship with the Holy Spirit. I have not read the bible, as in studying it, for years.

My personal relationship with Christ and Father has definitely grown over this time.

Yes... I relate to this.

The difference is that I needed to be restored from a very broken state and that is why reading Scripture devotionally alone for 5 years was necessary. That was however 50 years ago.

Apart from this Scripture is a treasure to be mined and the Spirit continues to reveal the gems.

I am also well aware that many do not get past studying the map and never venture out to walk in the Way.

As Jesus said "you will have many teachers and few fathers..." This was not a compliment.
 
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That is the fragrance of life to life. (this is Him working through us)
Your posts present so many questions to be answered; People won't read that much and it takes me too long to type all this.

"life to life" is also "deep calling to deep".....or spirit to spirit....IMO. :Hnds
How does.... "God is at work within you, to will and to do of His Good Purpose - fit into your thoughts ???
It fits into my thoughts, under my category of 'verbalize the unwritten truth of that verse'. That truth here being IMO; 'the devil is at work within you, to will and to do Satan's Bad purpose.; that he might "sift you as wheat" just like he wanted to do to Peter. :p

Likewise "If by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the flesh, you will live"

Life in the Spirit​

Rom 8:1-11 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. SO WALK IN 'THE CHRIST ANOINTING' IN YOU LIKE JESUS ALWAYS DID.
:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. SO WALK IN THE SPIRIT
:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: JESUS, BEING LED BY 'THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRISTOS' IN HIM, REFUSED TO GIVE IN TO THE LUST OF HIS SINFUL FLESHED NATURE....AND WE SHOULD ALSO CHOOSE LIKE HE DID.
:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. WALK IT RIGHT.
:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. YOUR CHOICE AS TO WHICH LEADING YOU FOLLOW....YOUR FLESH OR THE NATURE OF THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IN YOU.
:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. YOUR SOUL/MIND MUST CHOOSE TO LISTEN TO AND AGREE WITH YOUR "CARNAL"/'MEAT' SOUL OR MIND OR WITH YOUR SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN YOU.
:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. CHOOSE WHOM/WHAT YOU SERVEL
:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. I HAVE BEEN "DRAWN, CALLED, PREDESTINED, FOREORDAINED" BY GOD TO BE A BELIEVER SO THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS IN ME. AN UNBELIEVER HAS 'NO CHOICE' BUT TO ACT LIKE AN UNBELIEVER. AND THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL, IN THE GARDEN, HAD GOOD BUT THAT GOOD STILL LED TO DEATH'.
:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. SO DON'T SIN AND CHOOSE LIFE FOR YOUR FLESH...THIS SIDE OF GLORY.
:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. AND A QUICKENED MORTAL BODY THAT DOES NOT SIN, WILL NOT DIE IN THE AGE IT IS LIVING IN.
Then this... "I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
Oh boy Carl, hang on for this answer to your question;

As a born again christian AND who has ALSO been baptized in to the 'spiritual power' realm that comes from BOTH the holy spirit of christ speaking and The Holy Spirit of God speaking......I consider myself qualified to let the spirit of christ IN ME declare in its 'unknown to man spiritual tongue' the fulfillment of your quoted verse. Because it can only be from that spirit of Christ IN ME and his language, which is wholly spiritual, that "JESUS IS LORD" can be made. My born again spirit is the only spirit I have received FROM God that can fulfill this verses mandate above.

I hope you followed my theology above Carl. Hopefully it isn't even a new thought for you. It is certainly not liked by the FundaMENTAL born again brethren. Only those who are truly FundaSPIRITUAL.

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone."

Is not our calling to walk in the Spirit which is a surrender to His Spirit and not our effort ???

The verse you quote here, is not talking about the spiritual fruit that represents the CHARACTER of God. That fruit comes from the spirit of Christ, which was in Jesus at birth. That holy anointed spirit led Jesus to fulfill living by the "letter of the law". And in doing so Jesus fulfilled bringing all that CHARACTER of GOD fruit to fullness of maturity. That took him until He was 30. Then he was FULLY qualified with God's CHARACTER to handle all the CHARISMA or supernatural manifestations of The Holy Spirit POWER of the living God. Jesus attained ALL AUTHORITY of access to the POWER from The Holy Spirit because he had all the CHARACTER of God, to be trusted with authority to ALL the power. That's why Jesus was given access to speak to 'The Holy Spirit of the Trinity' with the same authority as The Father. All authority to manifest ALL the power that comes from The Holy Spirit of the trinity.

Jhn 3:34 For he (Jesus the anointed one) whom God has sent utters the RHEMA/words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.
 
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Yes... I relate to this.

The difference is that I needed to be restored from a very broken state and that is why reading Scripture devotionally alone for 5 years was necessary. That was however 50 years ago.

Apart from this Scripture is a treasure to be mined and the Spirit continues to reveal the gems.

I am also well aware that many do not get past studying the map and never venture out to walk in the Way.

As Jesus said "you will have many teachers and few fathers..." This was not a compliment.
I saw the scriptures being like a 2 sided treasure map which can lead to the treasure but isn't the full complete volume of treasure itself.

It points the way to the treasure, being God the Father. Jesus was sent to begin this process. He came to take away the sin of the world as the Lamb sent from God.

Then He points to the other side of the map. Here the next Person is sent, sent to lead us to the ultimate treasure, God the Father and His kingdom. The Spirit enters us so we can together with Him, be taken to be with our Divine Treasure! Glory to God for His wisdom in providing the map and the Treasure. We will have eternity to explore this Inexhaustible Person, God Almighty, Creator of all.
 
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