Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[covenantee]

I agree on your first point, but the translation should read "Christ FOR you, the hope of Glory." The central question is whether Christ is for us or against us. If he is for us, then we will receive eternal life.

No version translates it "Christ for you".

The interlinear Greek translates it "Christ in you".

Your falsification is obvious.

 

[Zao is life]

Your translation calls the Word "him." The logos is a thing, not a him.

God created all things, and by the Word of God were all things created. The Logos is God. You are calling God "a thing, not a Him".

It's not the real Christ you believe in. It's your own Christ.

The real Christ is the Word of God who became flesh. He is God.

Luke 1
31 And behold! You shall conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call His name JESUS.
32 He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest. And the Lord God shall give Him the throne of His father David.

But YOU say "No,:

When John refers to the "begotten" Son of God, he borrows language from Psalm 2:7, a celebratory psalm sung during the inauguration of a Davidic King. It speaks about a grown man, not a baby. The son of David becomes the Son of God officially on that day. His being "begotten" is a metaphor for his being officially recognized as the Son.

You're twisting scripture.

I agree on your first point, but the translation should read "Christ FOR you, the hope of Glory."

It does not mean Christ "for" you. You're just twisting scripture again. Jesus told those who believed in Him:

"I am in my Father, and ye (will be) in me, and I in you." (John 14:19b-20b)

In Colossians 1:27 Paul talks about "the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints, which is Christ IN you, the hope of glory."

Paul is not contradicting the doctrine of Christ. You are.

The central question is whether Christ is for us or against us. If he is for us, then we will receive eternal life.

You are defending your view, not from the scriptures but from the creeds. These are different kinds of documents. The scriptures are inspired and without error. The creeds are not inspired.

I haven't even quoted the creeds. I keep quoting scripture and you keep proving that when you quote scripture, you twist scripture to suit YOUR OWN creed. The creed that's known as "The Apostles' Creed' is based on scripture, not on YOUR OWN CREED that you have developed which is based on your own twisting of scripture.

Unless I'm mistaken it's only recently that you have begun to expose your true beliefs in your own self-created creeds based on your own false doctrines, which are based on your own twisting of scripture? Until recently you have pretended that you believe in the Trinity, unless I am mistaken?

The invisible God (the Father) is made known to created human beings by the Son of God, who is the Word of God who became a human being, and this is only perceived and understood by the Holy Spirit of God that has been given to us.

He (God, the Father, God, the Word / Son and God, the Holy Spirit) alone possesses life (LIFE ITSELF) IN Himself, and has given eternal life to us IN Christ, who alone among human beings possesses that life IN HIMSELF. The Father gives life BY the Word / Son of God, through the Holy Spirit of the Father / Christ IN us, and this eternal life is received by us through our faith in Him.

Your faith is not in the only giver of life. Your faith is in your own 'Christ'.

I won't need to talk to you about this anymore, because I now know that you have twisted scripture and created your own false religion for yourself, and have brainwashed yourself with it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

As usual, you added "ruling" unto the sacred text. You are an expert at doing this. You have nothing to support your theology.

Well, I didn't think that you needed me to teach you things. But perhaps you didn't know that in the Bible, "judging" a society, a city, or a nation is ruling over them. The idea is well-known in the Bible, as exemplified by the Old Testament book of Judges.

The Book of Judges captures a fascinating and turbulent period in Israel’s history, following the death of Joshua. During this time, Israel had no centralized monarchy, and instead, leaders known as judges emerged to guide and deliver the people. These judges were not just legal arbitrators—they were military leaders, prophets, and spiritual figures who played crucial roles in defending Israel from foreign oppression.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No version translates it "Christ for you".

My version does.

The interlinear Greek translates it "Christ in you".

I get it. Your version doesn't. Which version is correct? How do we evaluate a translation? What criteria do we use? These are questions that Bible students ask and answer.

Your falsification is obvious.

Whether my version is a falsification doesn't depend on a lexicon, a translation, or a Bible commentary. It depends on what Paul meant to say and the ideas he meant to convey.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Lol. You made the erroneous extra-biblical claim, and you want me to locate it in the Word. You need to listen yourself talking. You are getting more ridiculous by the hour.

It is not in the Book. Hello!

If someone seeks to hear what they want to hear, they will never be taught by the Bible. The Bible should be read and studied for the teachings it conveys.

For instance, if someone performs a word search for the English word "disciples" in Daniel 7, they will not find that word in the chapter. On the other hand, if a follower of Jesus reads Daniel 7, he or she will recognize various New Testament themes familiar to a disciple.

Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.’​

Here we see a familiar Biblical concept, translated "saints" coming from the Latin "sanctus", which means "holy" or "consecrated." The dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms will be given to God's consecrated ones. Those who read and study Paul's letters are familiar with "the consecrated ones" because he frequently mentions them.

For instance, he opens his epistle to the Ephesians in the following manner. "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus . . ." The saints living in Ephesus are God's "consecrated ones," who attend the churches in that area.

 

[Doug]

What does that mean? I'm not saying that everything is figurative. Do you think everything written in the book of Revelation is literal?

Is this referring to a literal "thousand generations"?

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

Is this referring to a literal "thousand hills"?

Psalm 50:9 I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, 10 for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.

I wasnt saying you take everything figuratively.......I am saying this could allow saying anything could be said to be figurative

It is obvious to know what is figurative and what is not

There is no basis to say his reign will not be for a thousand years

Why anyone would take this approach is beyond me.......what possible reason exists to oppose this

 

[WPM]

Well, I didn't think that you needed me to teach you things. But perhaps you didn't know that in the Bible, "judging" a society, a city, or a nation is ruling over them. The idea is well-known in the Bible, as exemplified by the Old Testament book of Judges.

The Book of Judges captures a fascinating and turbulent period in Israel’s history, following the death of Joshua. During this time, Israel had no centralized monarchy, and instead, leaders known as judges emerged to guide and deliver the people. These judges were not just legal arbitrators—they were military leaders, prophets, and spiritual figures who played crucial roles in defending Israel from foreign oppression.

This is just a distraction to divert us away from the fact that this is judgment day. It is the end. After that that we are into eternity.

 

[WPM]

Is “Jesus Christ” our “great God and our Saviour” (Titus 2:13)?
In a previous post, I pointed out that the Greek term "theos, " meaning"god," doesn't necessarily indicate a deity. The term can also refer to royalty. Coupled with the term "savior" (Greek soter), Paul spoke of Jesus in his role as the deliverer-king.

Did Jesus admit that He was “the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8)?
God, not Jesus, is speaking in that verse.

Is Jesus Christ “Lord God Almighty … King of saints” (Revelation 15:3)?
This passage is poetic and based on the poetic form of parallelism. Typically, in Hebrew poetry, the first and second lines say the same thing using different wording. Here, the purpose of the poetic parallelism is to closely associate two songs: the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb. The first line speaks about God in his majesty, while the second line speaks about the lamb as his representative.


Is Jesus “the express image of his (God’s) person, who is “upholding all things by the word of his power” (Hebrews 1:2-3)?
God is the one who upholds all things by his power. Jesus is the one who is the express image of God.

Is it true that within Christ “dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9)?
Yes, but not in the way you might think. Paul is not talking about the nature of Jesus or the nature of God in that context. He is referring to the nature of a group, which he calls the pleroma, meaning "fullness*." Considering all of God's children, including both OT saints and NT saints. The whole complement of them dwells in Jesus. Paul refers to them as his (Jesus') "body." And the full complement of all those who fear God and belong to Jesus comprises the "divine nature."

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*In Greek, one meaning of the word "pleroma" conveys the idea of "the full complement". Speaking of a Greek ship, the pleroma of the vessel is the full complement of the crew.

Is Christ: “the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature” (Colossians 1:15)?
Jesus is the image of the invisible God, as Paul says. And he is the firstborn of all creation. The term "firstborn" in this context refers to his supremacy in rank.

Did Jesus testify to the overcomer “I will be his God”?
No passage was cited.

Does 1 John 5:20 that Jesus Christ … is the true God, and eternal life”?
The antecedent to the pronoun "this one" refers to God the Father as it does in John 17:3.

Is Jesus called “Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:23)?
Contrary to popular belief, this passage doesn't speak about the location of God, i.e. "with us." It speaks about the support of God, i.e., "God is working for the good on our behalf."

Is Jesus “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting” (1 Timothy 6:15–16)?
This also speaks about Jesus' supremacy in rank.

It is scandalous how you strip, butcher and twist Scripture of its actual meaning, undermine the matchless character and unsurpassed standing of Christ, and denigrate His supreme power as God. The good news is: you will never achieve that in reality or in the eyes of God's elect.

Shame on you. This should not be tolerated on a Christian forum. This is overt heresy and blasphemous. May God have mercy upon you.

I am done talking to you!

 

[CadyandZoe]

God created all things, and by the Word of God were all things created. The Logos is God. You are calling God "a thing, not a Him".

I note that the Greek word "logos" refers to a concept, not a person. It can refer to the act of speaking or the content of what was spoken. John's reference to the beginning hints at the opening lines of Genesis, wherein the passage describes the creation of the world. Notable for our discussion is the verbal pattern "Then God said." It emphasizes the power of God's word—His spoken command brings creation into existence. This repetition highlights that God's speech is creative, authoritative, and effective.

Everything came into being by God's spoken word. There isn't one thing that has come into being that didn't come into being by God's spoken word. God speaks everything into existence. That spoken word became flesh and dwelt among us.

You're twisting scripture.

On the contrary, someone else twisted scripture. I am untwisting it.

It does not mean Christ "for" you.

The Greek word "en" is difficult to translate. When translating the Bible into English, translators opted to render "en" as "in" nearly every time it appears. However, since "en" is used so frequently, and the translation "in" sometimes feels awkward in certain contexts, this suggests that translators may not fully grasp the nuances of the Greek usage of "en."

What idea did Paul intend to convey by the phrase "Christ [en] you"?

The problem is, unlike Greek, Latin, or German, English doesn't have a distinct dative or accusative case for nouns. In English, the word "in" functions as a preposition that conveys both location and movement. Oftentimes, when English speakers wish to convey the dative case, they use the words "to" and/or "for." For instance, we might say, "She bought a gift for him."

To understand Paul's meaning, we investigate the case of the word "you" in the phrase "Christ [en] you." The Greek word for "you" in this instance is written in the dative case. And how do we express the dative case in English? We use words like "to" and "for." Thus, in my opinion, Paul meant to say, "Christ for you, the hope of glory."

You're just twisting scripture again. Jesus told those who believed in Him:

"I am in my Father, and ye (will be) in me, and I in you." (John 14:19b-20b)

Here we are dealing with the Greek word "en" and should be careful to understand what idea or concept Jesus meant to convey. And here again, Jesus is using [en] to convey the dative case. And as we know, English speakers use the word "for" to express the dative case. So one possible translation might be "that I am for my father, you are for me and I am for you."

In Colossians 1:27 Paul talks about "the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints, which is Christ IN you, the hope of glory."

Paul is not contradicting the doctrine of Christ. You are.

Show me.

I haven't even quoted the creeds.

I know, but one can see from your dedication to Christian orthodoxy, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, that you are influenced by the creeds.

I keep quoting scripture and you keep proving that when you quote scripture, you twist scripture to suit YOUR OWN creed.

I am untwisting the scripture. The scripture was twisted back in the mid-300s AD. Bible students and followers of Christ are untwisting it. Believers who are alive today have the tools and resources to investigate exegetical issues on their own, with the help of our pastors and others who have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible. And God has provided freedom of religion in our country so that we might seek out the truth without fear of danger or persecution. This is an extension of the Protestant movement, which sought to untangle the scriptures that had been distorted by the Catholic Church. (No disrespect to Catholics intended.)

The creed that's known as "The Apostles' Creed' is based on scripture, not on YOUR OWN CREED that you have developed which is based on your own twisting of scripture.

The Creeds are intended as a theological summary and may be a good way to memorize the basics of the Christian faith, were it not for the false teachings that have crept into our faith. I don't see anything in the Apostles' Creed with which I would disagree. Properly understood, it stands as a helpful reminder of the tenets of our faith. However, the Athanasian Creed stands as a syncretic blend of Christian thought and Greek thought.

In a way, new believers are handed a box of puzzle pieces and asked to assemble the puzzle. The challenge set before them is the fact that there is no picture on the top of the box, and the box is filled with puzzle pieces that don't belong in our box.

It highlights the challenge of discernment: figuring out which pieces truly belong to the picture God is revealing and which ones might be misleading or unnecessary. That’s where guidance—through Scripture, prayer, and the wisdom of mature believers—becomes so crucial. Over time, as they grow spiritually, the full picture starts to emerge with greater clarity.

Unless I'm mistaken it's only recently that you have begun to expose your true beliefs in your own self-created creeds based on your own false doctrines, which are based on your own twisting of scripture? Until recently you have pretended that you believe in the Trinity, unless I am mistaken?

My view on the nature of God and Jesus has never changed. What I am saying in this thread, I have always known.

The invisible God (the Father) is made known to created human beings by the Son of God, who is the Word of God who became a human being, and this is only perceived and understood by the Holy Spirit of God that has been given to us.

I agree with most of what you said above. Your idea that the invisible God is made known to us by the Son of God is insightful in my opinion. And I fully agree with your observation that the Spirit of God is the source of our full comprehension.

I won't need to talk to you about this anymore, because I now know that you have twisted scripture and created your own false religion for yourself, and have brainwashed yourself with it.

Can someone actually brainwash themselves? I don't think so. :)

I understand your reaction. But ask yourself why we are discussing this topic here, in this thread. I didn't bring it up. I never raise the subject on my own. Knowing that others, like yourself, may be offended, I refrain from discussing the subject. I am fully aware of the rules. And I obey the rules. But when someone asks me a question about it point-blank, the one who used their knowledge about my beliefs against me, as a way to discredit me, are the ones who have broken the rules.

Feel free to believe whatever you want to believe and serve the Lord the way he is leading you. I wish you well.

 

[CadyandZoe]

This is just a distraction to divert us away from the fact that this is judgment day. It is the end. After that that we are into eternity.

Really? This is the first time that I have heard anyone describe a counterargument as a "distraction."

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is scandalous how you strip, butcher and twist Scripture of its actual meaning, undermine the matchless character and unsurpassed standing of Christ, and denigrate His supreme power as God. The good news is: you will never achieve that in reality or in the eyes of God's elect.

Shame on you. This should not be tolerated on a Christian forum. This is overt heresy and blasphemous. May God have mercy upon you.

I am done talking to you!

I warned you about taking verses out of context. Taking verses out of context is one way that scripture becomes twisted. Putting the verses back into context is one way to untwist them.

 

[covenantee]

My version does.

I get it. Your version doesn't. Which version is correct? How do we evaluate a translation? What criteria do we use? These are questions that Bible students ask and answer.

Whether my version is a falsification doesn't depend on a lexicon, a translation, or a Bible commentary. It depends on what Paul meant to say and the ideas he meant to convey.

Your own personal private version?

I'm confident that more than 60 unanimous translators are correct.

And you're not.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Your own personal private version?

I'm confident that more than 60 unanimous translators are correct.

And you're not.

I understand, and your approach is both rational and commendable. It makes sense to trust what we have found to be trustworthy.

 

[covenantee]

I understand, and your approach is both rational and commendable. It makes sense to trust what we have found to be trustworthy.

What makes your single version as trustworthy as 60 others which unanimously disagree with it?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What makes your single version as trustworthy as 60 others which unanimously disagree with it?

My version came about after many hours of personal study. My kids and my wife can tell you how much time I spent after work. :)

But I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. All I can honestly say is, "This is what I have found. What do you think?"

 

[Taken]

The ones on His right are the sheep

Yes.

and they cannot be mortals

Actually…the MYSTERY of God…for accuracy comes into the mix.

The Mystery of God…reveals WHO IS changed.
WHEN they are “Accounted” / “Recorded” Changed “IN Gods BOOKS”.
WHY they are “Accounted changed” IN Gods BOOKS.
WHAT Of the man “IS Changed.”
WHEN the man, WILL “Literally” SEE the change God Has MADE to such man.
WHERE such “changed mans” WHOLE MADE transformed…Body, Soul, Spirit…SHALL forever “Inherit, occupy, reside,” “WHAT” Place.
WHAT POWER (Authority) Shall “FOREVER Keep” that mans “Body, soul, spirit” Made Changed.

because it says they inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34,46). Inheriting eternal life means you can't die.

Correct.

It means you have been changed to put on bodily immortality.

Many men, Have “according TO Gods “accounting”… HAVE “put on immorality”… * YET are Still physically , naturally Alive in their mortal bodies, that “they” and other living mortal men can SEE their mortal bodies.

* Changed “Body’s”…”First “Require” a Death of their “OLD” natural Body.

Mystery…
* The “Death” of the “OLD” Body…can BE PHYSICAL that mortal men can Physically “SEE” the Dead Body.
* The “Death” of an “OLD” Body…can ALSO Be … unseen to mortal mens eyes…Yet Accounted IN Gods Books/ Records / Evidence” … as Dead and Changed.

^^ Such men shall “SEE” their own “changed Body…WHEN their body IS RISEN UP.
Other “Changed and RiSEN” shall also See such others Bodys so changed.

^^ Such “changed and Risen up Bodys “Shall be “similar / LIKE” Angels.

WHAT ARE Angels “Like”?
Angels “ARE” Spirits… and their “Likeness IS” they have “THE ability / Power” to Appear to mortal mens EYES….in the Likeness… “AS” a bodily mortal man.

Heaven and Earth ARE presently “Divided”.
Two “Separated Worlds”.

This World Earth…is ManKinds Habitat.
Jesus said…His Kingdom is Not of “This” World.
John 8:23

When the Son of man “Returns to THIS World”,
In the “Body of Man, that mortal men can See…”
In His “Spiritual Body, whom the Angels AND Risen saints can SEE”…
He… Jesus, (the Word of God) Comes ;
“With”Power (WHO IS Christ) and
“With” Authority (WHO IS God) and
“With” His Holy Angels and
“With” His “saints” WHOM He “HAS” risen …

TO Begin Establishing “The First phase of Gods Kingdom “ON” Earth…”
Exclusively…the “Earthly Land Mass”…
* promised TO Abraham and His Descendants “Faithful to God”.
* called “the Promised Land”
* called “by numerous Names” throughout the history of manKind, “this nation, that nation”…


these boundaries:
“Your southern side will include some of the Desert of Zin along the border of Edom. Your southern boundary will start in the east from the southern end of the Dead Sea, cross south of Scorpion Pass, continue on to Zin and go south of Kadesh Barnea. Then it will go to Hazar Addar and over to Azmon, where it will turn, join the Wadi of Egypt and end at the Mediterranean Sea. “Your western boundary will be the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. This will be your boundary on the west. “For your northern boundary, run a line from the Mediterranean Sea to Mount Hor and from Mount Hor to Lebo Hamath. Then the boundary will go to Zedad, continue to Ziphron and end at Hazar Enan. This will be your boundary on the north. “For your eastern boundary, run a line from Hazar Enan to Shepham. The boundary will go down from Shepham to Riblah on the east side of Ain and continue along the slopes east of the Sea of Galilee. Then the boundary will go down along the Jordan and end at the Dead Sea. “This will be your land, with its boundaries on every side.”

These boundries Shall encompass “Christ Jesus’ Earthly Kingdom For 1,000 years, WHEN the Son of Man returns.

Christ, the King of kings Shall rule His Kingdom From “HiS Throne” located IN the City of Jerusalem.

For 1,000 years Mortals “living in“ Their Nations outside of Christs Kingdom…shall have access to Travel TO Christs Kingdom… hear, learn Gods Word… and Become forgiven, saved, committed to God…. Or not.

At the Ending the “Thousand years”…
The Division of those WITH the Lord God “and” those WITHOUT the Lord God BECOME “Finalized, Separated, Judged, Sentenced” “and…”

* They men “Without” the Lord God…MADE…
body, soul, spirit LIFELESS, Destroyed IN Hell, Remembered no more.

* They men “With” the Lord God…SEE the Lord God “AS” He IS… “Spirit”

* The Holy Angels and Fallen Angels Battle.
The Fallen Angels Defeated…and Sent to The Pits of the Earth to the Lake of Fire, where they can neither DIE or Escape.

* Then Does God, OPEN the Division Between Heaven “and” Earth… Restore the Glory of the Earth…MAKING Gods Kingdom All of Heaven “and” All of Earth…
And His “Throne” “Presently” Heaven…
Isa 66:1
Shall be in His new “Restored city of Jerusalem” sent down from Heaven.

* Restoration.. and Making of MEN PREPARED FOR Eternal Spiritual Life and Occupancy ON the Restored Earth…
Has been for centuries and IS is Presently “ongoing”…and Shall continue UNTIL “mortal men” No longer Exist.

Mortal…. Means… it must Die.
Immortal… Means it can Not Die.

To each individual man, his own time / era;
For Created natural Life, (that must Die);
For Made spiritual Life (that can Not Die);
For natural Life (Not Made) spiritual (destroyed and Forgotten).
^^ The “creation” is Completed.
The “creation” is routinely “revealed for men to See.
^^ The “process” of Making “changes to the “creation” IS ongoing.
Little by Little… Bit by Bit…

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I wasnt saying you take everything figuratively.......I am saying this could allow saying anything could be said to be figurative

It is obvious to know what is figurative and what is not

There is no basis to say his reign will not be for a thousand years

Why anyone would take this approach is beyond me.......what possible reason exists to oppose this

You didn't bother addressing what I said in my post about other uses of the term "thousand" in scripture. Your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts many other scriptures. But, you don't care enough to make the effort to study all of scripture to see what it teaches. You'd rather just stick to your cherry picked verses.

 

[Doug]

You didn't bother addressing what I said in my post about other uses of the term "thousand" in scripture. Your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts many other scriptures. But, you don't care enough to make the effort to study all of scripture to see what it teaches. You'd rather just stick to your cherry picked verses.

Just because thousand is used in figurative verses doesnt mean it cant be used literally as well

what verses contradict what I say about Rev 20? You need to show me please so I know what you are talking about.

I dont remember what I said about Rev 20 but I will tell you what I say here

There are two resurrections seen in prophetic scripture........resurrection of the just and unjust..................[Act 24:15 KJV] 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.............the rapture is not included here since it is not prophecy but mystery.......noted is that it is not a resurrection of the living but the dead so it would not apply to the saints entering the earthly kingdom.

[Rev 20:4-6 KJV] 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Look at v4..... seen are those on thrones.....then separately he sees the souls of the dead beheaded........who lived and reigned with Christ?......those on the thrones who are physically alive maybe or those beheaded and dead?

The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just

Who will be priests and reign a thousand years? Believing Israel will, living or resurrected

 

[covenantee]

My version came about after many hours of personal study. My kids and my wife can tell you how much time I spent after work. :)

But I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. All I can honestly say is, "This is what I have found. What do you think?"

I'm sure you'd agree that the collective number of hours of personal study by 60 translators considerably exceeds yours.

What credible recognized source of Biblical Greek expertise translates Greek "en" as English "for" rather than "in"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just because thousand is used in figurative verses doesnt mean it cant be used literally as well

I didn't say otherwise. I'm just pointing out that it can be used figuratively since you seemed to indicate that wasn't even possible.

what verses contradict what I say about Rev 20? You need to show me please so I know what you are talking about.

You ask loaded questions. Did you look up what Amillennialists believe like I asked you to do? Don't make me do all the work for you. Anyway, there are many of them. Let's just start with a few.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus taught that all of the dead will be resurrected in the same hour or time that is coming in the future. You have the dead being resurrected at two different hours/times separated by 1,000+ years.

Revelation 20 talks about Jesus reigning and His followers being priests, right (Revelation 20:6)? Earlier in the book, John talked about that as a current reality when he said Jesus Christ IS "the prince of the kings of the earth" and that he "hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father".

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

In order for there to be a future thousand years earthly kingdom, it would require mortals to survive the return of Christ. But, scripture does not teach that will happen.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Paul wrote about the return of Christ in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3 and he said that when Jesus returns He will take "vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" in the form of "sudden destruction" from which they "shall not escape". When you look at what Peter wrote about it, you can see why Paul said "they shall not escape" since no mortal can escape fire coming down on the entire earth.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just

According to scripture, Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection and all believers have part in His resurrection spiritually when we are saved.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Having part in the first resurrection:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;