PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

[The Light]

Way too deep for them
They deal in single sentences.
Any anology is way way way over all of their heads.

Come to think of it, have you ever seen one of them bring forward ANY ANALOGY?

True.

Unless we understand the Feasts of God, we cannot understand end times.

 

[David in NJ]

Simple. You seem unaware that there are two folds.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Gentiles are the first fold. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in part of Israel will have its blindness removed.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

There are 144,000 first fruits of the second fold. Those that get victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses.......they are Jews.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Why do you not believe the direct words of Jesus?

Matthew 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Simple. You seem unaware that there are two folds.

i am FULLY aware of two-folds = Jew & Gentile

The FIRST fold are the Jews who are in CHRIST
The SECOND fold are the Gentiles in CHRIST

CHRIST makes ONE FLOCK from the Two Folds
I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice.
Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

@marks

 

[covenantee]

Paul said he is both.

That's not what @marks said.

In post 481 he said, "One is an ethnic group, one is a spiritual group. If you blend them together, you get the wrong answers."

I'm waiting for his response.

 

[WPM]

That was the checkered flag.

The only white flag I tossed is after twice answering your boat load of questions and receiving no response I no longer waste my time. If you have one question, I'll deal with it. No more with the boat load.

Don't you get tired of getting your rear handed to you and your only response is you were not answered. It's a crackup as to how many posters you give the exact same response to. It seems everyone dodges you.

BTW. I don't believe in a 7 year tribulation. It's times, time and half a time.
I do believe that the is a final week, however, which starts when a covenant with many is made.

No, Pretribbers online have nothing for Posttribbers. Your behavior is common today.

I do not present these with a hope that you will answer them. That's because you cannot. I do them particularly for the lurkers.

 

[The Light]

No, Pretribbers online have nothing for Posttribbers. Your behavior is common today.

I do not present these with a hope that you will answer them. That's because you cannot. I do them particularly for the lurkers.

There is nothing that you can present that cannot be quickly dispatched with the Word of God.

You know that..........so you make a list a mile long..........and then claim you weren't answered if every point is not covered.

Just give me your one best single question that you think proves you are correct regarding your end times timeline..........and I will use the Word of God to prove you are in error.

Let's have it..................

 

[WPM]

There is nothing that you can present that cannot be quickly dispatched with the Word of God.

You know that..........so you make a list a mile long..........and then claim you weren't answered if every point is not covered.

Just give me your one best single question that you think proves you are correct regarding your end times timeline..........and I will use the Word of God to prove you are in error.

Let's have it..................

Lol.

The question that I have been asking for years: can you show us one single explicit rapture passage, followed by tribulation, followed by a 3rd coming?

 

[David in NJ]

There is nothing that you can present that cannot be quickly dispatched with the Word of God.

You know that..........so you make a list a mile long..........and then claim you weren't answered if every point is not covered.

Just give me your one best single question that you think proves you are correct regarding your end times timeline..........and I will use the Word of God to prove you are in error.

Let's have it..................

There is nothing that you can present that cannot be quickly dispatched with the Word of God.

Please "dispatch" these words of the LORD Jesus Christ for us who desires to know - thank you

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[The Light]

Lol.

The question that I have been asking for years: can you show us one single explicit rapture passage, followed by tribulation, followed by a 3rd coming?

LOL,
You are slow to understand the answer.

Can you show a scripture where Jesus changes water into wine, heals someone and then is raised from the dead?

 

[The Light]

Please "dispatch" these words of the LORD Jesus Christ for us who desires to know - thank you

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

You have quoted a scripture. Good for you. Next.

 

[The Light]

i am FULLY aware of two-folds = Jew & Gentile

The FIRST fold are the Jews who are in CHRIST
The SECOND fold are the Gentiles in CHRIST

The first fold is the Gentiles

The second fold is the Jews.

CHRIST makes ONE FLOCK from the Two Folds
I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice.
Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Good. You understand there are two raptures. The first will be the pretrib rapture which is the first fold. The second fold is of the 12 tribes across the earth. These are joined together and are the Israel of God.....the great multitude.

 

[David in NJ]

You have quoted a scripture. Good for you. Next.

Are you a man of your word or are you like those who speak falsehood?

Please "dispatch" Matthew 24:29-31

 

[David in NJ]

The first fold is the Gentiles

The second fold is the Jews.


Good. You understand there are two raptures. The first will be the pretrib rapture which is the first fold. The second fold is of the 12 tribes across the earth. These are joined together and are the Israel of God.....the great multitude.

Please show where the LORD said the first fold are Gentiles

Thank You

 

[The Light]

Are you a man of your word or are you like those who speak falsehood?

Please "dispatch" Matthew 24:29-31

I cannot dispatch a scripture. What I can do is dispatch an incorrect understanding of a scripture.

 

[The Light]

Please show where the LORD said the first fold are Gentiles

Thank You

Sure. No problem. The fulness of the Gentiles must come in before blindness is removed from part of Israel.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Jews were found as grapes in the wilderness. The fathers of the Jews were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest, but they served Baalpeor. Then Gentiles become the first harvest. That is why you see 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes after the pretribulation rapture of the Church.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

 

[David in NJ]

Sure. No problem. The fulness of the Gentiles must come in before blindness is removed from part of Israel.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Jews were found as grapes in the wilderness. The fathers of the Jews were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest, but they served Baalpeor. Then Gentiles become the first harvest. That is why you see 144,000 of the 12 tribes after the pretribulation rapture of the Church.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

Not even a single hint or reference to "gentiles are the first fold"

Please try again and see if you can find a correlating scripture that declares and/or directs "gentiles are the first fold"

Thank You

 

[The Light]

Are you a man of your word or are you like those who speak falsehood?

Please "dispatch" Matthew 24:29-31

Scripture cannot be dispatched. Your belief in what the scripture says can easily be dispatched. Some of you foolish virgins better get it together fast. The Lord is at the doors.

 

[David in NJ]

I cannot dispatch a scripture. What I can do is dispatch an incorrect understanding of a scripture.

You have the floor and the mike.........

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[The Light]

Not even a single hint or reference to "gentiles are the first fold"

Please try again and see if you can find a correlating scripture that declares and/or directs "gentiles are the first fold"

Thank You

The fulness of the Gentiles must come in before part of Israel has its blindness removed. The fact that you are unable to understand the Word of God is not something I can fix. Some of you need to wake up now or you will be wondering whether the lie of the aliens have come is real.

 

[The Light]

You have the floor and the mike.........

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I certainly cannot disprove scripture. What I can do is prove you are in error in your beliefs.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The scripture you quoted occurs at the 6th seal. Jesus returns to gather the elect from heaven and earth prior to the wrath of God. The 7th seal is the wrath of God. Please quote what you believe and I will dispatch it. WPM knows I will, which is why he was afraid.

 

[David in NJ]

The fulness of the Gentiles must come in before part of Israel has its blindness removed. The fact that you are unable to understand the Word of God is not something I can fix. Some of you need to wake up now or you will be wondering whether the lie of the aliens have come is real.

JESUS said HE already had a fold with Him.

I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep.
I have other sheep that are not of this fold.
I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice.
Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.