Is the "eternal fire" of Sodom still burning? - Nope

Dan Clarkston · Mar 11, 2025

VictoryinJesus said:
Here is what stumps me the most. He clarified that he who hates his brother is in darkness still and to hate your brother is to commit murder in your heart.(one tempted Him saying who is my brother?) Fear smart ones can be too confident in their own smartness.

And some think those that are repeating God's warnings from His Word to try and help people see they need to REPENT.... and being hateful.

That's one way to tell when someone loves their sin and has decided to continue in their sin when they claim those pointing out their sin are "hating their brother" when in reality they are trying to help their brother.

The Love of God would not stand by idly and not warn others of impending eternal punishment in an attempt to help them get off of the highway to heLL

VictoryinJesus · Mar 11, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
And some think those that are repeating God's warnings from His Word to try and help people see they need to REPENT.... and being hateful.

That's one way to tell when someone loves their sin and has decided to continue in their sin when they claim those pointing out their sin are "hating their brother" when in reality they are trying to help their brother.

The Love of God would not stand by idly and not warn others of impending eternal punishment in an attempt to help them get off of the highway to heLL

Only my observation. The men standing on the corner up town holding bullhorns screaming all those things that go to hell to burn forever in torment …they say the same that they do it out of love and people condemn their great love. It’s those people, those who they condemn, as the issue because they are only giving the truth. Yet, it still remains to be seen if they love those they are shouting at to repent for their sins or if they get off on being seen out in the open as greater than and holier than everyone else driving past. If that is the case…then they don’t practice what they preach but only do it to be seen as such by men. Yes, maybe they truly love those they are trying to convert to and save from forever burning in hell and torment. Only God knows their true motive for that which they call loving their enemies to death. To me it looks like getting drunk or high on themselves by leveling others as beneath them. Yet, They call getting drunk and high on their own high mindedness indeed as the love of Christ.

Dan Clarkston · Mar 11, 2025

VictoryinJesus said:
Yet, it still remains to be seen if they love those they are shouting at to repent for their sins or if they get off on being seen out in the open as greater than and holier than everyone else driving past.

Well... blame the Lord... He's the One that commanded that the Gospel be preached to the entire world.

Some of the street preacher stuff is more about people being told the Truth as they have heard the Gospel and have no excuse before the Lord.

Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

VictoryinJesus said:
To me it looks like getting drunk or high on themselves by leveling others as beneath them

Well, opinions are like belly buttons.... everyone but Adam had one!

VictoryinJesus said:
Yet, They call getting drunk and high on their own high mindedness indeed as the love of Christ.

So when you reach out to a sinner to try and get them set free thru Jesus.... are you too getting drunk and high on your own high mindedness?

Or, do you just not bother with trying to teach anybody as to not be getting drunk and high on your own high mindedness?

You will be judged with the same judgement you use on others ya know.

VictoryinJesus · Mar 11, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
So when you reach out to a sinner to try and get them set free thru Jesus.... are you too getting drunk and high on your own high mindedness?

Or, do you just not bother with trying to teach anybody as to not be getting drunk and high on your own high mindedness?

You will be judged with the same judgement you use on others ya know.

You make a great point. I agree “you will be judged with the same judgement you use on others”. I do get that, that is why our only Hope is in Christ. I get I’ve done nothing and can do nothing to save myself. Why would I impose upon others that they should hope in anything but the merit of Christ being enough.

Dan Clarkston · Mar 11, 2025

VictoryinJesus said:
Why would I impose upon others that they should hope in anything but the merit of Christ being enough.

Reaching out to the lost does involve imposing on their wrong thinking... but, we are just not called by the Lord to force it down their throats so to speak when they choose to not receive.

Mark 6:11,12
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Telling people they need to repent... frequently causes them to start manifesting devils

VictoryinJesus · Mar 11, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
Reaching out to the lost does involve imposing on their wrong thinking

Christ did this —reaching out to the lost and their wrong thinking—by revealing what pleases God. While they gave unto Him (Gall)bitter water to drink …He gives Living Water, in asking “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a change of mind or a person shouldn’t turn from their own ways. I’m saying that Saul was a murderer who pointed out he consented to his brother Stephens death. Saul persecuted the way of Christ. What I hear being said is to not boast in the flesh, but to set the example to others who have no hope (having done wrong) that the only Hope is in Christ. I’m skeptical of standing on a street corner is teaching what (Christ in) Paul spoke to the Corinthians saying “we will gladly be weak, that you be made strong. This we do for your perfection.” What do they do for their perfecting? That’s worth considering when people tell you what they do is out of love for your perfecting. What did Jesus Christ do while we were yet the enemies of God?

Dan Clarkston · Mar 11, 2025

VictoryinJesus said:
Christ did this —reaching out to the lost and their wrong thinking—by revealing what pleases God.

His first public message was same as John the Baptist's... repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

Not many people enjoy hearing they believe wrong and live wrong and need to repent and turn from their sin to be right with the Lord.

Most want to hear just believe Jesus exists and no need to change anything in their lives... it's all good if they continue in sin, no repentance needed (false OSAS teaching of today to tickle people's ears)

VictoryinJesus said:
I’m skeptical of standing on a street corner is teaching what (Christ in) Paul spoke to the Corinthians saying “we will gladly be weak, that you be made strong. This we do for your perfection.”

That's not a message spoken to unbelievers out in the street... that was spoken to believers needing to grow in the Lord.

VictoryinJesus said:
What did Jesus Christ do while we were yet the enemies of God?

You and I are nt Jesus... so we are not called to go to the Cross for the sins of the world.

You aren't called by the Lord to be a street preacher (neither am I) so let's no over think what they do.

Some plant, some water, and some harvest (1 Corinthians 3:6-9) and we are all called to be located somewhere in this process

VictoryinJesus · Mar 11, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
You aren't called by the Lord to be a street preacher (neither am I) so let's no over think what they do.

Agree. I’m not called to be a street preacher. I’m not called to be a preacher either but a homemaker.

Dan Clarkston said:
Some plant, some water, and some harvest (1 Corinthians 3:6-9) and we are all called to be located somewhere in this process

I like that and agree. Everything has a purpose and season. At the same time maybe I misunderstood…I misunderstood you and @amigo de christo to suggest everyone has to do the same as y’all. As you said though some plant, some water, and some harvest…

Dan Clarkston · Mar 11, 2025

VictoryinJesus said:
I like that and agree. Everything has a purpose and season. At the same time maybe I misunderstood…I misunderstood you and @amigo de christo to sugget everyone has to do the same as y’all. As you said though some plant, some water, and some harvest…

God's Word likens the Body of Christ to be like the human body.... different body parts are responsible for doing different stuff.

That's part of one's personal relationship with the Lord is as they grow spiritually they are led by the Lord in to what He's wanting them to do.

But, it is true that we are all called to reach out to unbelievers... it's just a matter of finding from the Lord about the specific thing or things He's leading you to do personally in support of the Great Commission

St. SteVen · Jul 23, 2025

- How is it that Sodom was punished with eternal fire?
- What does this tell us about the use of the term "eternal" elsewhere in scripture?

Jude 1:7 NIV
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.
They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

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Aunty Jane · Jul 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
- How is it that Sodom was punished with eternal fire?
- What does this tell us about the use of the term "eternal" elsewhere in scripture?

Something “eternal” is never ending….and it means what it says with regard to that scripture…

St. SteVen said:
Jude 1:7 NIV
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.
They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

What was the reason for the flood of Noah’s day?
The people who lived after that time of judgment could never say that they didn’t know God’s standards of morality. The legend of the flood Iived on in the cultures of those who descended from Noah in all parts of the world. Violence and sexual immorality were the reasons why God stepped in and ended that grossly immoral world, overtaken by wicked, supernatural beings, who created a world that God found intolerable…and he also knew that they were incorrigible. He knew the same about Sodom and Gomorrah. He didn’t need to give them warning, because the flood was warning enough.

Why is the fire ”eternal”?
Because free will was to be preserved in all of God’s children, both in heaven and on earth. So there is nothing to stop any in the future from doing what Satan and the first humans did….abusing our free will is a choice we can all make…and will continue to have that choice on into the future. This is why we are living in the awful conditions that follwed the rebellion in Eden. God’s children abused their free will and brought sin and suffering and death to the human race. Angels also were roped into this situation that God had to address without simply wiping out the rebels and starting again…..what was to prevent others from doing the same…over and over again?

The issues raised in Eden had to be settled once and for all time, so that God’s purpose for his material creation could go ahead unimpeded. We are living in the results of that rebellion because we couldn’t be told that obedience to God was the best course of action……we had to be shown where that would take us….and it is an experience we would never want to repeat. But should anyone in the future decide to abuse their free will, the lake of fire” awaits them…..this is the “eternal fire” that awaits any future rebels.

It is not a literal place, but the symbol of everlasting death.
“Gehenna” or the “lake of fire” was never a literal place of eternal torture….but the end of life itself. Nothing more sinister then that.

Brakelite · Jul 25, 2025

St. SteVen said:
- How is it that Sodom was punished with eternal fire?
- What does this tell us about the use of the term "eternal" elsewhere in scripture?

Jude 1:7 NIV
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.
They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

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It's effects were eternal. If death is the result of that fire, as it was for Sodom, then there is no resurrection. That death is permanent. Note. The word is punishment. That's a noun. It's final. Complete. That's the wages of sin. A final complete permanent eternal death. It is not punishing, an ongoing continual action that is never ending, which means justice is never fulfilled.

Jack · Oct 25, 2025

Jack said:
I guess you missed my question so I'll ask again. Who is your God?

Stevie doesn't seem to know how his god is.

shepherdsword · Oct 25, 2025

St. SteVen said:
- How is it that Sodom was punished with eternal fire?
- What does this tell us about the use of the term "eternal" elsewhere in scripture?

Jude 1:7 NIV
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.
They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

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You are confused. It never says Sodom will burn with eternal fire. It says it's fiery end is an EXAMPLE of those who will suffer that punishment. As for the term "eternal" It is used both for eternal torment and eternal life. If the torment is temporary so is the life.

Jack · Oct 25, 2025