The 666 mark will be a tattoo

[MatthewG]

If people are making predictions and they don’t come true as far as Jesus returning today, just don’t believe them… period about anything…

Never trust anyone even myself.

Always look for the wisdom of the spirit and check out what was going around in that age of time…

I mean it’s not like it’s a fairy tale some made up dream…


Living breathing people on earth that stood listening to Jesus were promised to see him return and the apostles went and told the others about this same messsge


In that day…

Sure people can proclaim they making prophecy about certain things and what not

But John was the final one to reveal the whole of everything….

He even said “he who has wisdom can find out whom 666 is” during their own timeline.”


It’s not some fairy tale or some science fiction novel.

 

[MatthewG]

Sure people can proclaim they making prophecy about certain things and what not

But John was the final one to reveal the whole of everything….

He even said “he who has wisdom can find out whom 666 is” during their own timeline.”


It’s not some fairy tale or some science fiction novel.

And if you are scared of someone taking over the world, my question is this today…

What Jesus said “why you so of little faith?”

 

[TribulationSigns]

There's a difference between asking a question and what you do. And the show you describe concerning yourself lives in your imaginations. It's your demanding and arrogant way. It's how you push yourself on others. Its like watching an excited baboon trying to do its thing on whatever. I won't say it, the very image of what come to mind when you do this (which is alot) is very difficult to watch. And its much easier to shake a large dog off your leg whenever it takes the same license. Just insufferably arrogant (and you know others have called you out on the same thing). You could probably do a search on the word proud/ or pride in a conversation with you and you would likely hit the jackpot, because it certainly hasnt gone unnoticed.

Then, when you don't get your way, you begin provoking like an undisciplined 5 year old, who shouts "bet cha don't know what I know" NEENER NEENER". That's how you come off.

Then good luck disengaging with you without all the extra theater, might as well make your own on the way out. It's a show alright, and I agree its also the truth, its just not the one that you tell yourself.

Your pathetic emotional rant is noted -- but completely irrelevant. I’m still waiting for your answer to the biblical questions you continue to dodge. Let me know when you are done with your childish drama.

 

[Muna]

Your pathetic emotional rant is noted -- but completely irrelevant. I’m still waiting for your answer to the biblical questions you continue to dodge. Let me know when you are done with your childish drama.

You took that well, I was expecting much worse, you being you and all.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I say yes. I suspect everyone wonders after the beast by default.

Then the "seal" of God is placed on us and erases the mark.

Incorrect. The mark of the beast is the end time phenomenon that God uses as a judgment upon HIs unfaithful congregation (ie. to believe a lie), where He has allowed the false prophets and christs to rule in the church.

"Then I heard another voice from heaven say: Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.

Before the vials begin in Revelation 18, I think people still have a chance. They are still being called out.

Sorry, I think that the vials began early in 2022.

You think? Did God tell you? Where does it show in Scripture that you assumed the vials started in "early 2022?"

So everyone should be either marked, and or sealed. Only more little dudes are still being born. Some of those are our brothers and our fellow servants.

Little dudes...still being born? Did God tell you this?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Incorrect. The mark of the beast is the end time phenomenon that God uses as a judgment upon HIs unfaithful congregation (ie. to believe a lie), where He has allowed the false prophets and christs to rule in the church.

Then what do you think Revelation 18 is talking about?

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"Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,​

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“Come out of her, my people,​

lest you take part in her sins,​

lest you share in her plagues;​

Share in her plaques. They had until the vials began. The seven last plagues, for with them the wrath of God is fulfilled. It's like what John MacArthur said: "the wrath of abandonment". When God gives them over to a reprobate mind. The seven last plagues, for with them the wrath of God is fulfilled. That means the 7 Trumpets are the seven first plagues. Just a bit of spiritual discernment is required to nuance the meaning out of the Script.

Could it be you're not as well read as you advertise yourself to be?

You think? Did God tell you? Where does it show in Scripture that you assumed the vials started in "early 2022?"

Just curious about your interpretation: how does a tattoo come to "create a painful sore" (as it says in Revelation the "mark" will do)?

I probably shouldn't have said that, for the sake of not spooking the sheep. I'm not posting the empirical at this point in time. But when you can pin the 5th Trumpet, with the 1st Vial, you can know therefore and understand that it primarily impacted the men who had already taken the mark of the beast. The five months of Revelation 9 not only identified, and confirmed, the date when the mark of the beast began, but also the timing of when the people received the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not harmed. This can be precisely pinned to a specific weekend, and a specific place in Spain. Then it quickly spread all around the world, all over the globe. Coincidentally, (I think), that area was recently plunged into darkness during a mysterious power failure. Still not sure what to make of all that. But see how they're past the point of repentance? They did not repent of their deeds.

"The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds.​

But It was like the turning on of a switch, which was turned off exactly five months latter in September. The season of the locust. Men were seeking death, for the penalty of sin is death, but death did flee from them.

It also helped in demonstrating what the Trumpets and the Vials probably are. Which appear to be a poetic way of announcing the gradual close of probation, the completion of the judgement of the living, i.e. MofB, SofG.

Also notice how after the 6th Trumpet, the remaining people ceased to repent from their deeds.

"The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.​

The judgment of the living is completed by then.

Little dudes...still being born? Did God tell you this?

No. It's a well known thing. Just prior to Christ arriving, everyone has to be either Marked, and or Sealed. The only other thing is that new babies are still being born. Some of those are our brothers, and our fellow servants. Woe to pregnant women.

 

[amigo de christo]

Incorrect. The mark of the beast is the end time phenomenon that God uses as a judgment upon HIs unfaithful congregation (ie. to believe a lie), where He has allowed the false prophets and christs to rule in the church.



You think? Did God tell you? Where does it show in Scripture that you assumed the vials started in "early 2022?"




Little dudes...still being born? Did God tell you this?

Go back and reread your first response about the what you just wrote about the mark of the beast .
WHEN you do
I WANT you to take a good long look at much of todays christendom .
For many false prophets and etc NOW RULE this church age
and have led them to an image THEY think is love , they think is GOD , they think is Christ
and yet IT AINT . ITs of anti christ .
And it and its love has made the path to GOD VERY BROAD and sin accepting .
And its leaders have told the lie of anti christ by spouting to all them lost religoins
YE IS FINE , we all serve the same GOD . This is coming right outta the mouths of anti christs .
so the mark is for sure tied into all of this mess . Look at the direction they are being led .
RIGHT INTO a lie , right into a love that is of the world and is being used under the guise ITS OF GOD .
And what is its solution for all this . BELEIVING they shall attain world peace n safety .
Last time i checked CHRIST made darn clear HE Did not come to bring PEACE on earth
but rather divisions .
But and this is one big ol but my friend
But it sure is written another one will come and by PEACE shall destroy many . THEY BEING LED RIGHT TOO IT
and its solution . its all a set up , a delusion to merge the false religoins with the decieved in christendom
believing they shall attain peace n safety
WHEN IN TRUTH , ITS SUDDEN DESTRUCTION that shall come upon them all . THIS IS a delusion and its a huge one too .

 

[David in NJ]

It's the same group. Mystery Babylon is the Harlot, the 8th king, one of the seven on the composite beast. That's Lucifer's Theocratic one world church state government. That's the first beast that the dragon gives his power and his throne and his great authority to. There's only one mark of the beast, there's not another for Mystery Babylon. If you're in Mystery Babylon in Revelation 18, you got the mark. You can't buy or sell, or operate in society without it.

If it encompasses the entire world, which I would agree with, how can the mark be contained within it?

I'm not worried about Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. It's the one from Revelation happening now.

Mystery Babylon(MB) is not the Beast = She rides the Beast

MB is religion, politics, commerce, communications, entertainment, law enforcement, pharmacy, corporations, science and philosophy
MB is the storehouse of idolatry = similar to Amazon Corp/Jeff Bezos

The Beast is satan who is the god of this world.

We live in the MB world system = like when Paul declared that he is BOTH a citizen of Rome and a citizen of Heaven in Christ

God is calling us out of MB = spiritually = because no one can escape Her reach
We are in the world(MB) but are not to be of the world(MB)

 

[David in NJ]

It's the same group. Mystery Babylon is the Harlot, the 8th king, one of the seven on the composite beast. That's Lucifer's Theocratic one world church state government. That's the first beast that the dragon gives his power and his throne and his great authority to. There's only one mark of the beast, there's not another for Mystery Babylon. If you're in Mystery Babylon in Revelation 18, you got the mark. You can't buy or sell, or operate in society without it.

If it encompasses the entire world, which I would agree with, how can the mark be contained within it?

I'm not worried about Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. It's the one from Revelation happening now.

Good Morning my Brother in Christ

 

[Dave Watchman]

Mystery Babylon(MB) is not the Beast = She rides the Beast

I still say it's the same thing. If she rides the beast, she controls, or directs the beast. The "Harlot" tends to make us think it's female, but it's not. It's Lucifer's Theocratical Church State. The opposite of the "Bride" of Christ. Where a "woman" is God's People in Revelation, a Harlot is the evil church, the synagogue of Satan.

It's like if you're in Babylon, the Mark of the Beast is like your personal ID card, or driver's license. If this were not true, then the people in Babylon would be a separate group. The beast only has one number of it's name.

Good Morning my Brother in Christ

Good Morning to you as well David.

 

[David in NJ]

I still say it's the same thing. If she rides the beast, she controls, or directs the beast. The "Harlot" tends to make us think it's female, but it's not. It's Lucifer's Theocratical Church State. The opposite of the "Bride" of Christ. Where a "woman" is God's People in Revelation, a Harlot is the evil church, the synagogue of Satan.

It's like if you're in Babylon, the Mark of the Beast is like your personal ID card, or driver's license. If this were not true, then the people in Babylon would be a separate group. The beast only has one number of it's name.

Good Morning to you as well David.

Correct = those who receive the MoB are a separate group just as God's people within MB are a separate group

 

[Deleted member 26788]

I still say it's the same thing. If she rides the beast, she controls, or directs the beast. The "Harlot" tends to make us think it's female, but it's not. It's Lucifer's Theocratical Church State. The opposite of the "Bride" of Christ. Where a "woman" is God's People in Revelation, a Harlot is the evil church, the synagogue of Satan.

It's like if you're in Babylon, the Mark of the Beast is like your personal ID card, or driver's license. If this were not true, then the people in Babylon would be a separate group. The beast only has one number of it's name.

Good Morning to you as well David.

I should like to give the Harlot a name we should call her Karen.
Karen likes to think she is in control .she is a bully operating to her own best interests but so often it is the case she gets swatted down, her assets get taken from her .

 

[TribulationSigns]

Then what do you think Revelation 18 is talking about?

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"Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,​

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“Come out of her, my people,​

lest you take part in her sins,​

lest you share in her plagues;​

Share in her plaques.

Read the context:

Rev 18:2-5
(2) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
(3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
(4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Revelation 18 is talking about God's New Testament Congregation has BECOME the habitation of false prophets and christs, and all people with spirit of antichrists. It was the home of the Two Witnesses but God has called His people, Elect, OUT of her to avoid partakers of her sins. The Elect didn't become rich by partnering with the whore. If they did, they would still be partners with the whore, would they not? And they would be under the same judgment of the whore, would they not?

Unless God had called them away from the great whore that they not be seen as partaker with her evil and receive of her judgment. You can't have it both ways. They were called out "that they be not partakers of her sins," not because they "were" partakers with her of them. If they stand far off and didn't receive of her plagues and judgments, then they weren't partners with her nor holding this evil wealth that required her judgment. Instead, they stand far off from judgment. Thus your assumption theory is riddled with holes.

They had until the vials began. The seven last plagues, for with them the wrath of God is fulfilled.

The number seven in Scripture signifies "completeness" of whatever is in view, rather than to declare something is seven partifular, different things. For example the Seven Spirits of God. There is not seven spirits of God, there is one Spirit of God, but the number 7 signifies completeness in its ministry all over the world. Why does the Living Creatures in the midst of the throne have 7 eyes and 7 horns? Why are there 7 seals on the book in Revelatiion? Why are there 7 lamps of fire burning before the throne? Why are there 7 stars in the right hand of Christ? And so on and so forth, is because the number 7 signifies the completeness of whatever is in view, including the 7 horns of the Beast. Those 7 stars in Christ's hand signified the completeness of His messengers. Likewise the 7 vials signify the completeness of God's final judgment poured out on the earth, because of the prayers of the saints. Get it?

The seven vials were full of the seven last plagues, or the seven plagues, and that is why there were seven of them, to signify completeness -- not to show that seven different events would take place at seven different times, taking place one afte rthe other as most believe.

Therefore, I belive that these seven vials being poured out run CONCURRENTLY. In other words, we are receiving in revelations, seven portraits of the same event, each revealing a different aspect of what will be taking place. Much like having seven portrits of the Revolutionary war, each showing a different aspect of that one war, by a different picture. Or as Christ is seen as the Vine in one place to highlight one thing, the Lamb of God in another place to highlight another, and the Holy Temple to highlight still omething else. It's not three separate prophesies of Christ, it's simply using different imagery to illustrate Him as the true Israel (Vine), that He is the Sacrifice (Lamb), and that He is House of God (Temple) in whom we dwell. In this same way these seven vials are numbered to seven to signify "completion" (as the 7 churches or angels or spirits, etc.), while these judgment plagues are one judgment, the portraits concurrent. They are all one event.

Look at the the pains and sores of Revelation 16:11 poured out in the 5th vial. You can see the same sores poured out in the first vial. Or as the 3rd vial poured out made the waters and rivers turn to blood, and the 2nd vial poured out on the sea had already made it turn to blood. Did God do the seas first and then go to the rivers and fountains? Not at all, it's the same event of bringing death, but highlighting different aspects of this judgment. The plagues are operating simultaneously upon the earth and they are spoken of as seven to instruct us of the completeness of God's wrath upon them. This is the end time judgment wherein every stone of the Temple will be thrown down, the kingdom become void of life of light, and this signified by blood and darkness, as there is now no healing for the torment of pain and sores. The reason is because the whole house of Israel has been sealed, the testimony of the two witnesses is finished and the day has come when no man can work. There is no repentence by them for their abominations and they continue to blasphemy because the Lord has cut them off.

That means the 7 Trumpets are the seven first plagues. Just a bit of spiritual discernment is required to nuance the meaning out of the Script.

Seven "first" plagues? Where do you read it in Scripture?

Could it be you're not as well read as you advertise yourself to be?

Actually, its you.

I probably shouldn't have said that, for the sake of not spooking the sheep.

LOL! No, I caught you on the spot with false speculation that you believe it occurred in "early 2022". The rest of your defensive post, including five months in September or woe to physically pregnant women, is nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Read the context:

Rev 18:2-5
(2) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
(3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
(4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Revelation 18 is talking about God's New Testament Congregation has BECOME the habitation of false prophets and christs, and all people with spirit of antichrists. It was the home of the Two Witnesses but God has called His people, Elect, OUT of her to avoid partakers of her sins. The Elect didn't become rich by partnering with the whore. If they did, they would still be partners with the whore, would they not? And they would be under the same judgment of the whore, would they not?

Unless God had called them away from the great whore that they not be seen as partaker with her evil and receive of her judgment. You can't have it both ways. They were called out "that they be not partakers of her sins," not because they "were" partakers with her of them. If they stand far off and didn't receive of her plagues and judgments, then they weren't partners with her nor holding this evil wealth that required her judgment. Instead, they stand far off from judgment. Thus your assumption theory is riddled with holes.



The number seven in Scripture signifies "completeness" of whatever is in view, rather than to declare something is seven partifular, different things. For example the Seven Spirits of God. There is not seven spirits of God, there is one Spirit of God, but the number 7 signifies completeness in its ministry all over the world. Why does the Living Creatures in the midst of the throne have 7 eyes and 7 horns? Why are there 7 seals on the book in Revelatiion? Why are there 7 lamps of fire burning before the throne? Why are there 7 stars in the right hand of Christ? And so on and so forth, is because the number 7 signifies the completeness of whatever is in view, including the 7 horns of the Beast. Those 7 stars in Christ's hand signified the completeness of His messengers. Likewise the 7 vials signify the completeness of God's final judgment poured out on the earth, because of the prayers of the saints. Get it?

The seven vials were full of the seven last plagues, or the seven plagues, and that is why there were seven of them, to signify completeness -- not to show that seven different events would take place at seven different times, taking place one afte rthe other as most believe.

Therefore, I belive that these seven vials being poured out run CONCURRENTLY. In other words, we are receiving in revelations, seven portraits of the same event, each revealing a different aspect of what will be taking place. Much like having seven portrits of the Revolutionary war, each showing a different aspect of that one war, by a different picture. Or as Christ is seen as the Vine in one place to highlight one thing, the Lamb of God in another place to highlight another, and the Holy Temple to highlight still omething else. It's not three separate prophesies of Christ, it's simply using different imagery to illustrate Him as the true Israel (Vine), that He is the Sacrifice (Lamb), and that He is House of God (Temple) in whom we dwell. In this same way these seven vials are numbered to seven to signify "completion" (as the 7 churches or angels or spirits, etc.), while these judgment plagues are one judgment, the portraits concurrent. They are all one event.

Look at the the pains and sores of Revelation 16:11 poured out in the 5th vial. You can see the same sores poured out in the first vial. Or as the 3rd vial poured out made the waters and rivers turn to blood, and the 2nd vial poured out on the sea had already made it turn to blood. Did God do the seas first and then go to the rivers and fountains? Not at all, it's the same event of bringing death, but highlighting different aspects of this judgment. The plagues are operating simultaneously upon the earth and they are spoken of as seven to instruct us of the completeness of God's wrath upon them. This is the end time judgment wherein every stone of the Temple will be thrown down, the kingdom become void of life of light, and this signified by blood and darkness, as there is now no healing for the torment of pain and sores. The reason is because the whole house of Israel has been sealed, the testimony of the two witnesses is finished and the day has come when no man can work. There is no repentence by them for their abominations and they continue to blasphemy because the Lord has cut them off.


Seven "first" plagues? Where do you read it in Scripture?



Actually, its you.



LOL! No, I caught you on the spot with false speculation that you believe it occurred in "early 2022". The rest of your defensive post, including five months in September or woe to physically pregnant women, is nonsense.

and the Two Witnesses are ?

 

[TribulationSigns]

and the Two Witnesses are ?

God’s Elect — The Two Witnesses Are a Symbolic Body, Not Two Individuals

The Two Witnesses in Revelation are not two literal people but symbolically represent God's Elect — the faithful remnant empowered by the Holy Ghost to preach the Gospel throughout the world since the Cross (Luke 24:47–49; Acts 1:8). These are the same faithful witnesses described in Revelation 11:3, prophesying in sackcloth — a symbol of mourning for our sins, and the sins of others hoping that people will receive Gospel and be saved — during the symbolic 1,260 days, representing the church age (Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6,14).

This Elect body includes all who are sealed by God, spiritually numbered as the symbolic 144,000 in Revelation 7:1–4 — a figure representing the completeness and totality of God’s chosen people, drawn from every nation, including Old Testament Saints (cf. Revelation 5:9–10, Revelation 14:1–5). Their testimony of salvation, powered by the Spirit, continues until every one of them is sealed (Matthew 24:14; John 17:20; 2 Timothy 2:10).

After this sealing is complete, Scripture declares that the Beast will “make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them” (Revelation 11:7). This is not a physical killing, but wage spiritual war against the Elect with lying signs and wonders as a tool of silence their faithful testimony — as the Beast (false religious systems) and the False Prophet use lying signs and wonders to draw people into deception and apostasy (2 Thessalonians 2:9–12; Matthew 24:24; Revelation 13:13–14).

This apostasy brings about a spiritual desolation in the Church — echoing Christ’s warning of the “abomination of desolation” standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15), which refers to false doctrines and counterfeit gospels invading the visible church, leading many astray (2 Peter 2:1–3; Revelation 2:20–23).

Thus, the Elect — the true body of faithful witnesses — are spiritually "killed" in the sense that their voice is silenced in the public sphere, and their message is rejected, as the Church becomes overrun by deception, until God vindicates His people by calling them to come out of unfaithful church as God judges her (Revelation 18).

 

[MatthewG]

God’s Elect — The Two Witnesses Are a Symbolic Body, Not Two Individuals

The Two Witnesses in Revelation are not two literal people but symbolically represent God's Elect — the faithful remnant empowered by the Holy Ghost to preach the Gospel throughout the world since the Cross (Luke 24:47–49; Acts 1:8). These are the same faithful witnesses described in Revelation 11:3, prophesying in sackcloth — a symbol of mourning for our sins, and the sins of others hoping that people will receive Gospel and be saved — during the symbolic 1,260 days, representing the church age (Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6,14).

This Elect body includes all who are sealed by God, spiritually numbered as the symbolic 144,000 in Revelation 7:1–4 — a figure representing the completeness and totality of God’s chosen people, drawn from every nation, including Old Testament Saints (cf. Revelation 5:9–10, Revelation 14:1–5). Their testimony of salvation, powered by the Spirit, continues until every one of them is sealed (Matthew 24:14; John 17:20; 2 Timothy 2:10).

After this sealing is complete, Scripture declares that the Beast will “make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them” (Revelation 11:7). This is not a physical killing, but wage spiritual war against the Elect with lying signs and wonders as a tool of silence their faithful testimony — as the Beast (false religious systems) and the False Prophet use lying signs and wonders to draw people into deception and apostasy (2 Thessalonians 2:9–12; Matthew 24:24; Revelation 13:13–14).

This apostasy brings about a spiritual desolation in the Church — echoing Christ’s warning of the “abomination of desolation” standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15), which refers to false doctrines and counterfeit gospels invading the visible church, leading many astray (2 Peter 2:1–3; Revelation 2:20–23).

Thus, the Elect — the true body of faithful witnesses — are spiritually "killed" in the sense that their voice is silenced in the public sphere, and their message is rejected, as the Church becomes overrun by deception, until God vindicates His people by calling them to come out of unfaithful church as God judges her (Revelation 18).

Was the Witness Jesus, and the the Gospels that were sent around, when they were put together aound 55-60 Ad?

What if they just aren't symbollic?

 

[talons]

The Two Witnesses in Revelation are not two literal people but symbolically represent God's Elect — the faithful remnant empowered by the Holy Ghost to preach the Gospel throughout the world since the Cross (Luke 24:47–49; Acts 1:8).

Two literal people , YES ! Because we read this in Rev.11 . They have dead bodies .

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

 

[MatthewG]

Two literal people , YES ! Because we read this in Rev.11 . They have dead bodies .

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

They also have abilities to bring down fire or something like that.

??? Elijah, and Jesus? Idk. I haven't studied in a while.


Elijah called out to God to bring down fire, when he was in a war with these other people who said their god was better than his.

Or someone did.

I was reading from Adam to Moses everyone died and so forth, from Paul in Romans 5.

 

[BlueNightingale]

Elon Musk figure?!

Hold up—time out! What exactly are you rambling about? You seriously think God was warning us about a credit card, a bitcoin, or some QR code? Really? That’s not Bible interpretation—that’s science fiction wrapped in fear-based books and YouTube theology.

Let’s be clear: The mark of the beast is NOT physical. God was not talking about microchips, barcodes, or some glowing forehead sticker. That’s the kind of nonsense that comes from premillennial hype and wild imaginations—not from Scripture.

Instead of chasing conspiracy theories, maybe—just maybe—you should try actually studying the Bible. Compare Scripture with Scripture. Understand the symbolism. Dig deeper into what it means to have the “mark” on the right hand or the forehead. Ask yourself what those symbols represent spiritually. It is not about tech gadgets. It has NOTHING to do with economics because you do not understand what the buying and selling the Lord talked about here.

So, before screaming about the RFID chips, tattoos, or even scannable QR codes, maybe go back and ask: What does GOD actually say? Not what YouTube says.

From what I've read the former understanding of it in church history was the forehead represented the mind, how you think, and the right hand being what you do.

I agree with that interpretation.

Having said that, I read in the Farmers Almanac that they are making tattoos that play a song when scanned and that will undoubtedly cause a lot of uproar.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Two literal people , YES ! Because we read this in Rev.11 . They have dead bodies .

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Facepalm.

Just because you are reading, "dead bodies", you assumed that God is talking about physical dead bodies on a physical street? Nope... it is not like that at all!

The Church is the earthly representation of this great city, and that is why Jersualem is used as a SIGN, FIGURE, or TOKEN of this spiritual Jersualem. The believers being dead or lifeless in the streets [plateia] or wide space of this great city signifies their state in the midst of the Church! For example, the witness of God is no longer tolerated there and the power that these had to preach the Word of God there has been taken from them. This is why they have been overcome and silenced by the beast released from the pit by God. This does NOT affect their salvation, of course, ,and that is WHY Revelation 7 says they all had to be sealed FIRST before beast could be loosened from the pit. But the beast affects their witness or testimony in the Churches. They cannot effectively preach in the external covenant Church anymore because the spirit of Satan is ruling there through the false prophets and christs, and the leaders of the church have departed from the faith unto doctrines of devils. Look at Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, etc. This is why God says of this great city that, it is 'spiritually' called Sodom and Egypt. Because though the external Church still retains the name of Christ, spiritually speaking it has become as these two cities which were infamous for their abominations and bondage to Satan. When God's people turn from God and forsake His laws, God speaks of them in the spiritual sense as being in bondage of Egypt and in the abominations of Sodom.

Acts 7:39

• "To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,"

Jeremiah 23:14

• "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah."

In Revelation the unfaithful congregation is signified spiritually as being Sodom and Egypt, Revelation 11:8, because the character of the Church is as it was in these wicked places! Sodom with all her abominations within her did all manner of evil, and in like manner the Church has also become an abomination to God just as Sodom was. The beast has come upon her and she is in apostasy, blatantly having no regard for God's precepts or the witness of truth. Egypt symbolizes a house of bondage. The freeing of Israel from Egypt was used as a figure of believers being redeemed from out of Satan's House of bondage.

So yes, it takes spiritual discernment — not carnal reasoning — to understand what God is truly revealing here. You're quick to proclaim a literal interpretation, imagining physical corpses lying in the streets, but that misses the spiritual message entirely!

Moreover, do you even understand what “the street of the great city” symbolizes in Revelation 11:8? This is not about a literal street in physical Jerusalem, but a spiritual condition — place likened to Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was spiritually crucified. This "great city" represents the apostate church — once the dwelling place of truth, now overtaken by worldliness and spiritual darkness (cf. Revelation 18:2; Isaiah 1:10; Ezekiel 16:49–50).

And why do the enemies rejoice over the dead bodies and exchange gifts? What does that mean? Do you honestly think God is describing people handing out Christmas presents over corpses in a literal street? Think again.

The "gifts" signify a mocking celebration — a counterfeit joy — as the world rejoices over the silencing of God’s true witnesses because their testimony is a torment to them of their sins! It reflects a time when the testimony of the Elect is despised, and false religion triumphs in its delusion (John 16:2; Amos 8:11–12). The death of the Two Witnesses symbolizes a spiritual suppression of truth, not physical murder.

If you read the text with spiritual eyes, you’ll see the deeper truth — and it’s far more sobering than what your literal lens is allowing you to grasp.