How to Fail God : by "works".

[Toro55]

Faith first then works.

If you want to bury you talent or become a Goat that's up to you works does not save but it can get you a better blessing or reward in heaven - Jesus spoke about it in many parables .There will be those with faith who get a greater reward in heaven for the works they have done and those who get a pass on faith alone.There will be the small and great in heaven.No one is arguing we are saved by faith but doing nothing is like burying your talent.

 

[nedsk]

Salvation that is eternal, is not based on the works of a sinner.
So, give up.
Salvation is eternally based on Jesus's Sacrifice to God for the sin of a sinner.
You can't do that.. .for yourself.
Perhaps one day you'll understand this.. @nedsk, as you certainly dont understand it, currently.

You're as confused as anyone I've ever spoken to. You have decided to no longer use the brain that God gave you. It's true that salvation is eternal and is based on Jesus sacrifice but that is NOT the same as saying you are saved simply because you think you are. It's amazing how presumptuous you are to think your saved because you say so.

Scripture points out your error.

Any time someone tells me "you don't understand" it that only means I disagree with them. Again you haven't shown any proof that you have the definitive understanding of Scripture. This is precisely why there are 20,00+ Christian denominations and I certainly won't be following the teachings of a rando named behold on the Internet

 

[Behold]

Faith first then works.

Our faith is accepted by God......."Justification by Faith, without works or deeds of the Law"..........and God then supplies forgiveness of sin and the new birth.
So, NOW.........being born again..........we are to go and live a lifestyle of good works, that glorifiy God.

The HERESY.. is when the teaching says.....>" works are requried for salvation"........and "Works are required to stay saved"...

See those 2 cult teachings?
They are substituting a person's behavior, and deeds, in place of THE SAVIOR who saves and keeps us saved.
So, that type of teaching, is both Cross denying and Grace Rejecting.

 

[Behold]

saying you are saved simply because you think you are.

Ive never posted that im "saved because i think i am".

No one is "saved because they think they are saved".

Chrisitans are created by God, as "born again"... a "new creation in Christ".

MaryCult members are created by the MaryCult

Calvinists are created by Calvin.

 

[nedsk]

Ive never posted that im "saved because i think i am".

No one is "saved because they think they are saved".

Chrisitans are created by God, as "born again"... a "new creation in Christ".

MaryCult members are created by the MaryCult

Calvinists are created by Calvin.

And you think because you were "born again" you're saved. Like i said, you're saved because you think you're saved. You're even so presumptuous as to declare you can't lose your salvation as if it's you're choice. You're pretty snotty for someone who supposedly received a gift they didn't earn.

 

[Behold]

And you think because you were "born again" you're saved.

Of coruse.
Absolutely.

See, being born again, means you have received from God......."Salvation".....and you are now become "ONE with God".. "In Christ".

The only eternal proof that a person has become a Christian is that you are ""Born... again""....(Spiritually) not by water, but "by my Spirit, sayeth the Lord".
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New International Version

You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

New Living Translation
So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’

English Standard Version
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Berean Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’

Berean Literal Bible
Do not wonder that I said to you, 'It is necessary for you all to be born from above.'

King James Bible
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

New King James Version
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

New American Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

NASB 1995
“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

NASB 1977
“Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Legacy Standard Bible
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Amplified Bible
Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].’

Christian Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

American Standard Version
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

Contemporary English Version
Don't be surprised when I say that you must be born from above.

English Revised Version
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't be surprised when I tell you that all of you must be born from above.

Good News Translation
Do not be surprised because I tell you that you must all be born again.

International Standard Version
Don't be astonished that I told you, 'All of you must be born from above.'

NET Bible
Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must all be born from above.'

New Heart English Bible
Do not be surprised that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Webster's Bible Translation
Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born again.

Weymouth New Testament
Do not be astonished at my telling you, 'You must all be born anew

 

[Taken]

Every choice is man's free will in operation.

Choosing to try to do the works of Jesus, can't save you.
Its just works.
Its just imitation.

You are off Track.

Jesus identified the SPECIFIC “works” God did, Jesus did… and a man who does the SAME Works of God…
Shall be Saved.

Salvation is a FREE Gift from God.

Salvation, was bought, paid for and offered every man…
Any man who chooses TO TAKE the Gift…has an…. IF, Condition, Caveat to meet…
And that IS to “work the “SPECIFIC” works of God…”
Which IS “Believe”!

God does not Give us faith in Christ........God requires from us OUR Faith in Christ.

Uh…

1 Cor. 12:
.[4] Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[5] And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[6] And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[7] But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit;to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

What cult teaching are you posting here, ????

The Doctrine of Christ Jesus…
Which Seems foreign to you.

 

[nedsk]

Of coruse.
Absolutely.

See, being born again, means you have received from God......."Salvation".....and you are now become "ONE with God".. "In Christ".

The only eternal proof that a person has become a Christian is that you are ""Born... again""....(Spiritually) not by water, but "by my Spirit, sayeth the Lord".
-
New International Version

You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

New Living Translation
So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’

English Standard Version
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Berean Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’

Berean Literal Bible
Do not wonder that I said to you, 'It is necessary for you all to be born from above.'

King James Bible
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

New King James Version
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

New American Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

NASB 1995
“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

NASB 1977
“Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Legacy Standard Bible
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Amplified Bible
Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].’

Christian Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

American Standard Version
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

Contemporary English Version
Don't be surprised when I say that you must be born from above.

English Revised Version
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't be surprised when I tell you that all of you must be born from above.

Good News Translation
Do not be surprised because I tell you that you must all be born again.

International Standard Version
Don't be astonished that I told you, 'All of you must be born from above.'

NET Bible
Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must all be born from above.'

New Heart English Bible
Do not be surprised that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Webster's Bible Translation
Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born again.

Weymouth New Testament
Do not be astonished at my telling you, 'You must all be born anew

So you think you're saved just like I said. Thanks.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Of coruse.
Absolutely.

See, being born again, means you have received from God......."Salvation".....and you are now become "ONE with God".. "In Christ".

The only eternal proof that a person has become a Christian is that you are ""Born... again""....(Spiritually) not by water, but "by my Spirit, sayeth the Lord".
-
New International Version

You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

New Living Translation
So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’

English Standard Version
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Berean Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’

Berean Literal Bible
Do not wonder that I said to you, 'It is necessary for you all to be born from above.'

King James Bible
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

New King James Version
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

New American Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

NASB 1995
“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

NASB 1977
“Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Legacy Standard Bible
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Amplified Bible
Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].’

Christian Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

American Standard Version
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

Contemporary English Version
Don't be surprised when I say that you must be born from above.

English Revised Version
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't be surprised when I tell you that all of you must be born from above.

Good News Translation
Do not be surprised because I tell you that you must all be born again.

International Standard Version
Don't be astonished that I told you, 'All of you must be born from above.'

NET Bible
Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must all be born from above.'

New Heart English Bible
Do not be surprised that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Webster's Bible Translation
Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born again.

Weymouth New Testament
Do not be astonished at my telling you, 'You must all be born anew

No matter how often you quote an isolated verse of Scripture out of context, or which translation you use....it doesn’t mean that you know how to interpret it correctly. Jesus was speaking to a Pharisee, who didn’t understand what he said, or what it meant.

So, what does being “born again” actually mean.....and why does anyone need to be “born again” to see the Kingdom of heaven?

Did Nicodemus know what “the Kingdom of heaven” was? Did he even have a belief in going to heaven as an educated Jewish Pharisee? It seems as if Jesus was speaking a different language to him. He was puzzled.

He asked how it was possible to be “born again”? Jesus told him “you must be born of water and spirit”....so the “water” is Christian baptism, which is the beginning of a Christian’s walk with Christ as a worshipper of “our Father who art in heaven”....I know you reject water baptism as a requirement, but all the first Christians had to be baptized as a public declaration of their commitment to follow and emulate their teacher......and those who underwent John’s baptism had to be baptized again as disciples of Christ. John’s baptism was for repentance over sins committed against God’s law.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit was something that came later....something described by Paul as a “sealing” for that which was to come...

Eph 1:11-14....ESV
“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

The “sealing with Holy Spirit” was a “guarantee” of their choosing UNTIL they “acquired the possession of it”....so the “sealing” or choosing comes first, but being “born again” i.e. leaving the body of flesh behind and acquiring a new spiritual body that can dwell in the presence of God in the heavenly realm, is what has to happen. Paul said that this takes place at their resurrection, which does not take place until Christ’s return.

1 Thess 4:15-17...
“For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.”

You cannot be “born again” in the flesh.....and that cannot happen until “the coming of the Lord”......you can be chosen, and the holy spirit identifies the ones whom God has chosen as “firstfruits”, (Rev 14:1-5) but if you think it has already happened, you are mistaken.

How does a person then know that they have been chosen by God for a role in the Kingdom of heaven?
What role do they play there? And what does their choosing result in for them, and others?
Do all Christians have to be ”born again” in order to be saved?

Can you answer those questions @Behold?

 

[PS95]

No matter how often you quote an isolated verse of Scripture out of context, or which translation you use....it doesn’t mean that you know how to interpret it correctly. Jesus was speaking to a Pharisee, who didn’t understand what he said, or what it meant.

So, what does being “born again” actually mean.....and why does anyone need to be “born again” to see the Kingdom of heaven?

Did Nicodemus know what “the Kingdom of heaven” was? Did he even have a belief in going to heaven as an educated Jewish Pharisee? It seems as if Jesus was speaking a different language to him. He was puzzled.

He asked how it was possible to be “born again”? Jesus told him “you must be born of water and spirit”....so the “water” is Christian baptism, which is the beginning of a Christian’s walk with Christ as a worshipper of “our Father who art in heaven”....I know you reject water baptism as a requirement, but all the first Christians had to be baptized as a public declaration of their commitment to follow and emulate their teacher......and those who underwent John’s baptism had to be baptized again as disciples of Christ. John’s baptism was for repentance over sins committed against God’s law.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit was something that came later....something described by Paul as a “sealing” for that which was to come...

Eph 1:11-14....ESV
“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

The “sealing with Holy Spirit” was a “guarantee” of their choosing UNTIL they “acquired the possession of it”....so the “sealing” or choosing comes first, but being “born again” i.e. leaving the body of flesh behind and acquiring a new spiritual body that can dwell in the presence of God in the heavenly realm, is what has to happen. Paul said that this takes place at their resurrection, which does not take place until Christ’s return.

1 Thess 4:15-17...
“For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.”

You cannot be “born again” in the flesh.....and that cannot happen until “the coming of the Lord”......you can be chosen, and the holy spirit identifies the ones whom God has chosen as “firstfruits”, (Rev 14:1-5) but if you think it has already happened, you are mistaken.

How does a person then know that they have been chosen by God for a role in the Kingdom of heaven?
What role do they play there? And what does their choosing result in for them, and others?
Do all Christians have to be ”born again” in order to be saved?

Can you answer those questions @Behold?

Jane - Oh come on now- No. Read the bible-- you are missing a huge chunk of change here!!
We are born again NOW in this life on earth- NOT AT DEATH.
Please see-

1 John 5:1- Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.​

John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Peter 1:3 -Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1 Peter 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

1 John 4:7- Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Titus 3:5- He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

1 John 5:18- We know that no one who has been born of God sins; but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Christians are born again so we can walk in new life NOW -we are born again to be empowered by the Spirit so that sin loses it's dominion over us. It is BY God's spirit that we can do anything pleasing to Him. We walk in new life. Our minds are being renewed. When we walk in the Spirit we do not sin! When we walk in the flesh- we will. BEING BORN AGAIN is having God's Holy Spirit in you to guide us, teach us, help us, convict us, comfort us, empower us. This is the Spirit of Christ, of God- the Holy Spirit.
We are all at different places in our walk- some mature, some not yet.

Romans 8:9--
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

I made a thread for you on this born again topic before- but you ignored it.

ARE BELIEVERS BORN AGAIN WHILE ON EARTH?

This post is for all JWS here @Keiw @TheHC @ElieG12 @Aunty Jane **Aunty Jane said--The fact that you believe that being “born again” is something that takes place “on earth”, tells me that you have no idea what it is, or what it means. It isn’t some mystical personal experience…it is a...

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[Ezra]

Our works dont matter to God.

yes our works do matter the bema seat is about the works we have done wood hay stubble = flesh burn up gold silver precious stone come through the refiners fire.

Matthew 25:35 Context​

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? judged acourding to their works

Revelation
Chapter 20​

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. while we are not saved by works but works is important provided they are of God ..if were doing them for the wrong reason they are wood ahy stubble and perish in the fire

 

[PS95]

Reader,

Our works dont matter to God.
Absolutely, not at all.

See, the Bible says our "ALL our works are as a filty rag" before God.
And that was written by Isaiah...who was perhaps the greatest OT prophet.
He's the one who foresaw Jesus and said...that "by Jesus Stripes we were Healed".

Why does Isaiah say that "" ALL our good works are like a filthy rag?""

Its becasue He's comparing our works to God's Holiness.......and in that Light, all our deeds, works, performance, self effort, as compared to Holy God, = ALL our works are as a "filthy rag".

Understand?

Let me show you again, reader.

An unbeliever, on their way to Hell......... can give to a poor person...a thousand dollars to help them.
So, a "Christian" can do it also.
What is the difference before God. ??????????

NOTHING.

See, its only in YOUR MIND that you believe that your works are now become something special because you're a Christian.
Oh. look at me.......all. my works.......my my my........me me me.......Im something......Let me tell you about my works !!
Yet, they are NOTHING before God., .. but in your mind.....

Listen now.
God does NOT evaluate our works that we do for Him or for Christ.......because not only are they all a "filthy rag" before God.....its also the fact that our works for Him might FAIL....
Have you never tried to do something for God and it FAILED....totally?
How many times?
If not, you're not really trying...
So, our Works are just that, and nothing more.......They dont gain a Halo, because we are doing them as a Christian.
They are the same VALUE before God, as if you were doing them as a Christ rejector.

So, what does God VALUE?......if He does not value our works for Him.

A.) God values the MOTIVE in our HEART that caused us to want to do the good deed.

God looks at your HEART.........not at your works.....

So, get over yourself....and get off your self effort to try to be accepted by God, as He wont have it.
He's not interested .

Now, there has to be someone here who studies the Bible.. loves the Bible, vs just someone randomly posting verses and pretending you understand them, so that you can continue an argument.

So, go to Genesis, and read what Happened to CAIN.......when He tried to bring his WORKS before God...

God had not changed.
Read it.

"works are still = Filthy rags"........but your Heart MOTIVE for doing the works....= now THAT is going to be judged, when you meet Christ at the "Judgement seat of Christ".

Behold- I agree that we are saved by grace and not by works. However, and there is a however in the scriptures-
Good works will flow from a sincere faith.
God looks at the heart yes- He also changes our hearts and good works flow out of love from that changed heart that God has given us. It is all Him in us.
This is not earning salvation at all. It is evidence and fruits of a saved person.

 

[Taken]

Jane - Oh come on now- No. Read the bible-- you are missing a huge chunk of change here!!
We are born again NOW in this life on earth- NOT AT DEATH.

Caution friend. Accounted Bodily Dead IS a huge “caveat” to Receive one’s Salvation.

Salvation, bought, paid for Offered to manKIND…
To Take the offer Requires “your word of acceptance, your signature on the terms, (caveats)and a hand shake”….. oh wait… that is for a bank loan….

For Taking the offering of Salvation…
Receiving of your Salvation:
Requires your Word of Acceptance and an accounting of your bodily Death!

Souls that are saved, Are Saved immediately After the Accounted Bodily Death.

They “crucified with Jesus Body”…
“Are Saved Then” and bodily resurrected by the Lord…
Rapture.

They “bodily mortally dying” IN Belief, without “bodily death OF crucified with Jesus”…”shall be saved Then” ( physical death )and resurrected by the LORD…
First Resurrection.

God bless you.

Glory to God.
Taken

 

[PS95]

Caution friend. Accounted Bodily Dead IS a huge “caveat” to Receive one’s Salvation.

Salvation, bought, paid for Offered to manKIND…
To Take the offer Requires “your word of acceptance, your signature on the terms, (caveats)and a hand shake”….. oh wait… that is for a bank loan….

For Taking the offering of Salvation…
Receiving of your Salvation:
Requires your Word of Acceptance and an accounting of your bodily Death!

Souls that are saved, Are Saved immediately After the Accounted Bodily Death.

They “crucified with Jesus Body”…
“Are Saved Then” and bodily resurrected by the Lord…
Rapture.

They “bodily mortally dying” IN Belief, without “bodily death OF crucified with Jesus”…”shall be saved Then” ( physical death )and resurrected by the LORD…
First Resurrection.

God bless you.

Glory to God.
Taken

Taken, I have no idea what you are trying to say?
If you are like Aunty Jane the jw- and think you are not born again until PHYSICAL DEATH- then by all means counter the scriptures I gave in the post.

 

[Gottservant]

To enjoy Grace in Heaven, you have to love the work (selah)

 

[Taken]

Taken, I have no idea what you are trying to say?
If you are like Aunty Jane the jw- and think you are not born again until PHYSICAL DEATH- then by all means counter the scriptures I gave in the post.

I clearly Said an “accounted” death Must occur Before Salvation… IS Given.

The “accounting” is Gods Records… The Books… The Evidence… opened on Judgement Day.

Eternal life… for the one Saved by the LORD, whose Name was not blotted out of Gods Book of Life.

Eternal life… for the one Saved by the Lord whose Name was entered in the Lambs book of Life.

A new Life… a spiritual Life is offered and is not effected until After a Death of a humans Natural mortal Life is accounted Dead.

1Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

 

[PS95]

I clearly Said an “accounted” death Must occur Before Salvation… IS Given.

The “accounting” is Gods Records… The Books… The Evidence… opened on Judgement Day.

Eternal life… for the one Saved by the LORD, whose Name was not blotted out of Gods Book of Life.

Eternal life… for the one Saved by the Lord whose Name was entered in the Lambs book of Life.

A new Life… a spiritual Life is offered and is not effected until After a Death of a humans Natural mortal Life is accounted Dead.

1Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

I am not following how this has to do with me. Are you saying you have not been born of the Spirit?

 

[amigo de christo]

You are off Track.

Jesus identified the SPECIFIC “works” God did, Jesus did… and a man who does the SAME Works of God…
Shall be Saved.



Salvation, was bought, paid for and offered every man…
Any man who chooses TO TAKE the Gift…has an…. IF, Condition, Caveat to meet…
And that IS to “work the “SPECIFIC” works of God…”
Which IS “Believe”!




Uh…

1 Cor. 12:
.[4] Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[5] And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[6] And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[7] But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit;to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;




The Doctrine of Christ Jesus…
Which Seems foreign to you.

WHICH IS TO WHAT .
what was that word . OH YEAH TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
SO let all who claim to do so HAVE NO PART IN that interfaith train cause i SEEN what they been telling
the false religoins and doing all to convince even Christendom of the lie . NO sheep gonna join hands with the table
of anti christ nor any who is a co helper to it . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME IN THE BUILDING and ROUND the world .

 

[amigo de christo]

Taken, I have no idea what you are trying to say?
If you are like Aunty Jane the jw- and think you are not born again until PHYSICAL DEATH- then by all means counter the scriptures I gave in the post.

I was about to ask ya to repeat that .
Not born again UNTIL PHYSICAL death
i got bad news for that camp
IF ONE IS NOT BORN again before His death
HE WONT LIKE HIS END at HIS DEATH . its known as the second death
the very lake of fire that , OH YEAH that they try and say dont exist .
We got problems all over the place my friend .
People trusting in popes and vaticans
people trusting in watch towers
and mormon
and many other doctrines of men gone wrong .
May i suggest BIBLE TIME . This people persih from lack of knowledge .

 

[amigo de christo]

I am not following how this has to do with me. Are you saying you have not been born of the Spirit?

Its true that many within Christendom might claim to be born of the Spirit
to have been born again .
BUT FRUITS ARE TELLING THE REAL DEAL my freind and exposing them as , NOT EVEN HAVING THE SPIRIT
at all .
What is the FRUIT of THE SPIRIT
AND WHO DOES the SPIRIT TESTIFY OF
The SPIRIT IS TRUTH and TESTIFIES OF TRUTH , TESTIFIES OF JESUS THE CHRIST
not some broad lovey do road of unbeleif .
And what is the fruit of the SPIRIT
its in all GOODNESS , RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH
TRUTH
Proving what is acceptable TO GOD ALL MIGHTY . not to todays changing generation which darn sure
seems to be accepting WHAT I KNOW GOD DOES NOT
SINS and LIES .