KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS
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BeforeThereWas
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As is typical of those who have no sense of responsibility for backing their claims, you refuse to offer evidence for the alleged connection between what John stated by inspiration and that Cup in relation to the new covenant. Your words are so very typical indeed of the replacement theology gang who have no intention of reading scripture for what it says and allow scripture to shape their beliefs.
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BeforeThereWas
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BeforeThereWas
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Many "Bible believers" believe what they want to believe, and add to scripture what isn't there, take away what they don't like, and call it good...like you. It's common and routine. The commandments also require a fencing around the perimeter of your roof, and that you abstain from various meats, and that you not wear clothing of blended fiber, but I suspect you don't follow those commandments. I have money in my cloths that says you don't, but what the hay, right?
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No Scripture? Of course not! I have LOTS of Scripture! What would you like to know about the Bible???
BeforeThereWas
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You're right. You never did produce scripture where it says that Gentiles will replace Israel in the obtaining of the Kingdom yet to come at the Second Coming of Christ. The Kingdom will belong to Israel. The body of Christ will not be a part of that kingdom. That's what scripture teaches.
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BeforeThereWas
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Replacement theology has many hidden sentiments and beliefs couched deeply within modern Evangelicalism and RCC dogma, with most of you remaining unaware of its rudiments in your beliefs.
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My beliefs are totally based upon the Christian Bible! Please don't make false accusations.
It’s true that the New Covenant is not yet in its full application, because the promises of perfect peace, universal knowledge of God, and the restoration of all things (Jeremiah 31:31–34) will be completed when Jesus returns and God’s kingdom is fully established. However, Jesus did begin the New Covenant during His ministry and sealed it with His own blood at the cross.
At the Last Supper, Jesus said: “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins”(Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:20). From that moment, He consecrated the covenant with His own life. When He died, “the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom” (Matthew 27:51), showing that through Him, those who believe now have direct access to God.
This access is for those who truly believe in Him, follow Him, and do His Father’s will. Jesus Himself said: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).
Even before His death, Jesus taught about this new relationship between God and His people. In John 14:6 He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” And in John 10:9, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved.” These words show that He is the only access to God—a truth symbolized when the temple veil was torn.
Jesus also described the growth of this covenant and His kingdom in the parable of the mustard seed: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches”(Matthew 13:31–32). In this picture, the mustard seed represents the kingdom starting small—through Jesus’ ministry and sacrifice—and then growing until it reaches its full size in the future. The seed was planted at the cross, and the full-grown tree will be seen when He returns.
The prophets foresaw this covenant long before Jesus came. Jeremiah 31:31–33 speaks of a new covenant where God’s law will be written on hearts, and Ezekiel 36:26–27 promises a new spirit to help God’s people walk in His ways. Jesus began fulfilling these promises when He sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost (John 14:26; Acts 2:1–4), but the complete transformation of the world will come at His return.
So, while the New Covenant is not yet in its final and complete form, it is already in motion. Jesus started it, sealed it with His blood, and opened the way for all who believe, obey, and remain in Him to have fellowship with the Father now. The complete fulfillment will be when He comes again, just as the mustard seed grows into the great tree—it begins small but ends in fullness.
BeforeThereWas
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BeforeThereWas
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You stated some good thing, but I would like to point out one thing, which is that when Yahshuah initially passed that cup, it was to Israel, not to Gentiles who had to join with Israel to partake of salvation and the promises and blessing through Abraham. Luke 13 reveals what was to come with the fall of Israel, and the point at which salvation came to the Gentiles after the fall of Israel.
Replacement theology followers out there fail to make that distinction.
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BeforeThereWas
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It comes in many, many variants, but in a nut shell, its any and all beliefs rooted in the idea that the Church, the body of Christ, will replace, or be a part of, the promises made to Abraham and his descendants concerning the Millennial Kingdom and the new earth and New Jerusalem kingdom. The body of Christ is not at all an object of prophecy since the body of Christ remained a mystery hidden in God from the creation of the world. Had Satan known about the coming body of Christ, he would not have crucified the Lord of Glory, as it is written.
Insertions of the body of Christ in any way where only Israel belongs, especially in the place of, is replacement theology.
Here is Wikipedia:
"Supersessionism, also called replacement theology by its detractors and fulfillment theology by its proponents, is the Christian doctrine that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people, assuming their role as God's covenanted people, thus asserting that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ has superseded or replaced the Mosaic covenant. Supersessionists hold that the universal Church has become God's "New Israel" and thus Christians are the people of God."
The Mosaic covenant is still going to be fulfilled in the future.
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And that's why Jesus will return and fight for Israel, the Land of the Bible.
FredVB
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No one on earth is perfect, we have failed in some ways. The commandments from God show what is right or wrong, above those the high will of God is shown, with what Jesus referred to "as it was in the beginning." Everything after that was with all people including us being sinners. But we do not have to continue those ways of sinners. The commandments are still appropriate to not be going contrary to, being according to God's will showing distinction between right and wrong. But, the only way of being saved, as all of were sinners, is through the work of Jesus Christ who came for this, and bearing what would be for judgment for any of us coming to him, as happens with the faith we have with repentance, to be delivered from sins and sinning. This generally takes a lot of growth.
BeforeThereWas
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You're right that the commandments are what shows to us what is good and what to avoid. You're also right that that we are saved by what was accomplished only by Christ Jesus. The problem is when people throw in "but" into that phraseology. They will say, "We're saved by the shed blood of Christ Jesus, BUT ya gotta live it," or some other negation that only adds to their belief in the insufficiency of the shed blood of Christ.
Nobody here can live the commandments, even though some make a noble attempt with some falling off the cliff of legalism. Where some tend to go astray is sabbath-keeping as a requirement today.
Oh well, being an Israeli, I'm well acquainted with the effects and outcome of legalism and its dead end results. Yahshuah stated what is in keeping with the Law and many still add to it, which is no problem so long as they keep that as a personal thing rather than to teach it as compulsory upon others.
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This is absurd, if no one could live on the commandments God would not have given them. It is not an easy path but the only one that leads to salvation. First repentance from faith and belief, then obedience out of love to our God. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15). “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?”(Luke 6:46).
God defined the covenant when He explained the covenant are the Ten Commandments; “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”(Deuteronomy 4:13). They are inside the Ark of the Covenant; “There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel.” (1 Kings 8:9).
The commandments are not optional but a true follower of Christ will obey them. “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.” (John 14:21). Furthermore, they are not a burden, for “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.” (1 John 5:3).
If we ask God to help us follow the commandments, He will certainly listen and help us to do so. “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.” (Matthew 7:7). It is all over the Bible—wake up. before it is too late, Jesus return is at hand.
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