I don't know what it is, but I can't stand the idea of being 'beaten' by "Evolution" - Creation is *too beautiful* to be sidelined by angry naysayers!

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So I have gone in and out of understanding 'Evolution', I have turned the whole thing on its head and what I can't stand is the idea that it somehow does away with the need of a relationship with Christ. Before Evolution was coined, Creationists vouched that "God had created the Universe" - not everyone believed the Creationists, but that was the offer: an offer of relationship with Christ. But then Evolution came along and as Dawkins put it "people were able to be intellectually fulfilled atheists" (exact quote unknown). This is wrong!

The Devil has effectively wounded himself, by denigrating his need of worship to chance, and used the injury and what caused it to attempt to wound God (which in and of itself, also wounds God, not because He is vulnerable, but because He is sensitive). The problem with this is that there is no way to "wound the Devil back". The most people can do, is go their separate ways. What a shame!

The thing is, I am still in the world (though I am not of it) and it makes me angry that people fall for the Devil's cunning. In my heart I mock the Devil, saying "yes! this is preposterous! you ought to believe it more than you do!" - which soothes the wound a little, but still. Jesus said there was a snare coming on those who dwell on the face of the Earth, He never suggested we would have to put up with it 'day in and day out'. I mean really: someone pray for these people who are coming in to the snare. And let us get help, letting it go!

The power of prayer in this regard, is that it is an anchor for the soul. Prayer ties us together with scripture, and causes living water to quench our thirst. Whenever I think of Creationists, I am comforted, that they have not let go of their faith in God, the Creator. Soundly, they will tell you "there is one Creator, and God is He" - they are not downtrodden, they are not snared, and if they are bitter about it, its not because they are bitter about you not believing the choice they have given you. Far from it!

I guess what I am learning, in putting all this down, is that even if I did come up with a world beating argument against "Evolution", at some point, I would have to let that go too. God would reward me, but He is going to reward me anyway. So I guess I should have a measure of solace, either way!

I hope this has been of some encouragement. Please pray.

 

[ScottA]

Hi there,

So I have gone in and out of understanding 'Evolution', I have turned the whole thing on its head and what I can't stand is the idea that it somehow does away with the need of a relationship with Christ. Before Evolution was coined, Creationists vouched that "God had created the Universe" - not everyone believed the Creationists, but that was the offer: an offer of relationship with Christ. But then Evolution came along and as Dawkins put it "people were able to be intellectually fulfilled atheists" (exact quote unknown). This is wrong!

The Devil has effectively wounded himself, by denigrating his need of worship to chance, and used the injury and what caused it to attempt to wound God (which in and of itself, also wounds God, not because He is vulnerable, but because He is sensitive). The problem with this is that there is no way to "wound the Devil back". The most people can do, is go their separate ways. What a shame!

The thing is, I am still in the world (though I am not of it) and it makes me angry that people fall for the Devil's cunning. In my heart I mock the Devil, saying "yes! this is preposterous! you ought to believe it more than you do!" - which soothes the wound a little, but still. Jesus said there was a snare coming on those who dwell on the face of the Earth, He never suggested we would have to put up with it 'day in and day out'. I mean really: someone pray for these people who are coming in to the snare. And let us get help, letting it go!

The power of prayer in this regard, is that it is an anchor for the soul. Prayer ties us together with scripture, and causes living water to quench our thirst. Whenever I think of Creationists, I am comforted, that they have not let go of their faith in God, the Creator. Soundly, they will tell you "there is one Creator, and God is He" - they are not downtrodden, they are not snared, and if they are bitter about it, its not because they are bitter about you not believing the choice they have given you. Far from it!

I guess what I am learning, in putting all this down, is that even if I did come up with a world beating argument against "Evolution", at some point, I would have to let that go too. God would reward me, but He is going to reward me anyway. So I guess I should have a measure of solace, either way!

I hope this has been of some encouragement. Please pray.

"And what happened before that?" is the winning argument.

After their every argument--forced after their very last argument, to say, they don't know (what happened before)--the atheist is finished.

 

[MatthewG]

I like evolution and creation... I just tell people i don't have any problems with evolution. We just didnt come from monkeys lol.

Im not gonna suggest that evolution doesnt happen cause sometimes animals do adapt and evolve... to their surroundings and stuff.

 

[Pearl]

I believe the bible version of creation but that it then evolved the way most things do. I don't believe that humans evolved from monkeys.

 

[ScottA]

For the Christian--truth be known--both creation and evolution at least appear to be true. Both have their defining points. Both can be argued--and so they are.

But it's a trap.

This world is by design and by the purpose of God to expose every hidden thing--is more than both, but rather everything that everyone ever believed--made manifest. So yes, if one says the world is thousands of years old--it is; and if another says it is millions of years old--it is! Because Time too is merely created--and like man made in the image of God--Time also is a mere "image" made manifest. We are that "man of sin revealed." So--go for it, have your own truth--that's the point. But then comes the end--and the Judgement...and what each has believed is to be weighed--not by our own measure--but by God's.

In that day, those who have believed God will fare well; for some there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth; and those who believe there is no God are vanquished and receive what they too have believed.

 

[Gottservant]

I honestly believe that Evolutionists risk being the 'workers of iniquity' that Jesus talked about (gospels, from memory) - they say "we ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets" and Jesus says "depart from Me, you workers of iniquity, I never knew you, where you are from".

I get it, if you can't praise God from a sincere heart, because there are people who don't believe, you don't have much faith. But things were going so well, before Man started to say "I can question God as much as I like: that's the answer!"

How does God work with people, who don't even learn to master their craft, let alone give Him praise for Creation?

 

[ScottA]

I honestly believe that Evolutionists risk being the 'workers of iniquity' that Jesus talked about (gospels, from memory) - they say "we ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets" and Jesus says "depart from Me, you workers of iniquity, I never knew you, where you are from".

I get it, if you can't praise God from a sincere heart, because there are people who don't believe, you don't have much faith. But things were going so well, before Man started to say "I can question God as much as I like: that's the answer!"

How does God work with people, who don't even learn to master their craft, let alone give Him praise for Creation?

God is not working with people per se, but is revealing us all for what we are before the Judgment. This is our will and testament made manifest.

 

[Angelina]

I understand that every created thing originated from God. Then God ensured that those original creations could self-seed. Perhaps what mankind calls evolution, is actually the outcome of living in a fallen world.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I understand that every created thing originated from God. Then God ensured that those original creations could self-seed. Perhaps what mankind calls evolution, is actually the outcome of living in a fallen world.

I have concluded that atheism is a religion. They have a church. They have a congregation. They have evangelists. They have a bible, They have their false prophets, and they even have blood sacrifice.
The church is the school room. The congregation is the children in the school room. The Bible is Darwin's book.
The evangelist are the teachers. The false profit is the media.
And the blood sacrifice is multiple millions of babies slaughtered on the altar of the devil.

 

[Angelina]

I have concluded that atheism is a religion. They have a church. They have a congregation. They have evangelists. They have a bible, They have their false prophets, and they even have blood sacrifice.
The church is the school room. The congregation is the children in the school room. The Bible is Darwin's book.
The evangelist are the teachers. The false profit is the media.
And the blood sacrifice is multiple millions of babies slaughtered on the altar of the devil.

Indeed. Eccles: 7:29 AMP says - Behold, I have found only this [as a reason]: God made man upright and uncorrupted, but they [both men and women] have sought out many devices [for evil].”

 

[Gottservant]

The composure of the child, says everything about the righteousness of the family (selah)

 

[Grailhunter]

Hi there,

So I have gone in and out of understanding 'Evolution', I have turned the whole thing on its head and what I can't stand is the idea that it somehow does away with the need of a relationship with Christ. Before Evolution was coined, Creationists vouched that "God had created the Universe" - not everyone believed the Creationists, but that was the offer: an offer of relationship with Christ. But then Evolution came along and as Dawkins put it "people were able to be intellectually fulfilled atheists" (exact quote unknown). This is wrong!

The Devil has effectively wounded himself, by denigrating his need of worship to chance, and used the injury and what caused it to attempt to wound God (which in and of itself, also wounds God, not because He is vulnerable, but because He is sensitive). The problem with this is that there is no way to "wound the Devil back". The most people can do, is go their separate ways. What a shame!

The thing is, I am still in the world (though I am not of it) and it makes me angry that people fall for the Devil's cunning. In my heart I mock the Devil, saying "yes! this is preposterous! you ought to believe it more than you do!" - which soothes the wound a little, but still. Jesus said there was a snare coming on those who dwell on the face of the Earth, He never suggested we would have to put up with it 'day in and day out'. I mean really: someone pray for these people who are coming in to the snare. And let us get help, letting it go!

The power of prayer in this regard, is that it is an anchor for the soul. Prayer ties us together with scripture, and causes living water to quench our thirst. Whenever I think of Creationists, I am comforted, that they have not let go of their faith in God, the Creator. Soundly, they will tell you "there is one Creator, and God is He" - they are not downtrodden, they are not snared, and if they are bitter about it, its not because they are bitter about you not believing the choice they have given you. Far from it!

I guess what I am learning, in putting all this down, is that even if I did come up with a world beating argument against "Evolution", at some point, I would have to let that go too. God would reward me, but He is going to reward me anyway. So I guess I should have a measure of solace, either way!

I hope this has been of some encouragement. Please pray.

Even in evolution it is all about God just over a longer time frame.

 

[Jericho]

Im not gonna suggest that evolution doesnt happen cause sometimes animals do adapt and evolve... to their surroundings and stuff.

That's called micro evolution, it's the expression of the variation within a species but it does have limits. What Darwin was espousing was macro evolution, the changing of one kind to another kind, and that has never been substantiated.

 

[Davy]

Hi there,

So I have gone in and out of understanding 'Evolution', I have turned the whole thing on its head and what I can't stand is the idea that it somehow does away with the need of a relationship with Christ. Before Evolution was coined, Creationists vouched that "God had created the Universe" - not everyone believed the Creationists, but that was the offer: an offer of relationship with Christ. But then Evolution came along and as Dawkins put it "people were able to be intellectually fulfilled atheists" (exact quote unknown). This is wrong!

The Devil has effectively wounded himself, by denigrating his need of worship to chance, and used the injury and what caused it to attempt to wound God (which in and of itself, also wounds God, not because He is vulnerable, but because He is sensitive). The problem with this is that there is no way to "wound the Devil back". The most people can do, is go their separate ways. What a shame!

....

Even considering that man's theory of evolution might be true can be enough to create doubt... in what God's Word says as written.

I'm an Old Word Creationist. That means I do recognize the ancient fossil record evidence of the earth, but not according to evolution theory, but according to God's written Word about His ancient creation in the 'beginning'.

Apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3 actually describes 3 world earth ages, the first one having been destroyed by waters of a flood, which was not... the time of Noah, but long before Noah. God has used 2 world-wide floods to destroy the surface of this ancient earth. Peter's "the world that then was" was the first one destroyed because of Lucifer's original rebellion.

In the 'beginning', God made His Perfect creation, and no one knows how long ago that was, but it was prior to Lucifer's rebellion against Him. When Lucifer rebelled, God ended that old world with waters of a flood. That is the actual state of the earth at Genesis 1:2, the earth already having been created but then buried under all those waters. After Genesis 1:2 is God refurbishing the earth for today's 2nd world earth age, what Peter called "the heavens and the earth, which are now".

 

[ShineTheLight]

Perhaps what mankind calls evolution, is actually the outcome of living in a fallen world.

That would fall under Colossians 2:8. Then there's so-called science that the book of Timothy speaks of.

 

[Grailhunter]

Even considering that man's theory of evolution might be true can be enough to create doubt... in what God's Word says as written.

I'm an Old Word Creationist. That means I do recognize the ancient fossil record evidence of the earth, but not according to evolution theory, but according to God's written Word about His ancient creation in the 'beginning'.

Apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3 actually describes 3 world earth ages, the first one having been destroyed by waters of a flood, which was not... the time of Noah, but long before Noah. God has used 2 world-wide floods to destroy the surface of this ancient earth. Peter's "the world that then was" was the first one destroyed because of Lucifer's original rebellion.

In the 'beginning', God made His Perfect creation, and no one knows how long ago that was, but it was prior to Lucifer's rebellion against Him. When Lucifer rebelled, God ended that old world with waters of a flood. That is the actual state of the earth at Genesis 1:2, the earth already having been created but then buried under all those waters. After Genesis 1:2 is God refurbishing the earth for today's 2nd world earth age, what Peter called "the heavens and the earth, which are now".

Whether we like it or not the scriptures are going to include the human perspective and limits of understanding.

 

[Davy]

Whether we like it or not the scriptures are going to include the human perspective and limits of understanding.

The Holy Spirit doesn't limit one's understanding, but instead opens up one's understanding. He corrects what we thought was true by revelations in His Word to us, things that only the spiritual man can know.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Holy Spirit doesn't limit one's understanding, but instead opens up one's understanding. He corrects what we thought was true by revelations in His Word to us, things that only the spiritual man can know.

For the most part I agree with you, but I do not think that the Holy Spirit taught these people that the earth was flat, set on a foundation, and did not move and the moon and sun revolved around the earth. They were writing what they understood to be true.

 

[Davy]

For the most part I agree with you, but I do not think that the Holy Spirit taught these people that the earth was flat, set on a foundation, and did not move and the moon and sun revolved around the earth. They were writing what they understood to be true.

Like I was saying, The Holy Spirit corrects man's misconceptions through 'revelations' in God's Word. The Bible is not where man's 'flat earth theory' and geocentric theory came from. Ideas that it did originate from The Bible is a fallacy of what secularists charge against the Church, because it's obvious many in the Church held misconceptions not written in God's Word.

Man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory is a more modern misconception not written in God's Word, yet many brethren still try to claim it is written. So there's one major example for you.

I feel led by The Holy Spirit to say also, that if... many secularists had the opportunity to weigh what is actually written in God's Word vs. the misconceptions that many brethren have from what they 'think'... is written, those secularist non-believers might have a better opportunity to convert to Lord Jesus and believe His Word as The Truth.

 

[Grailhunter]

Like I was saying, The Holy Spirit corrects man's misconceptions through 'revelations' in God's Word. The Bible is not where man's 'flat earth theory' and geocentric theory came from. Ideas that it did originate from The Bible is a fallacy of what secularists charge against the Church, because it's obvious many in the Church held misconceptions not written in God's Word.

Man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory is a more modern misconception not written in God's Word, yet many brethren still try to claim it is written. So there's one major example for you.

I feel led by The Holy Spirit to say also, that if... many secularists had the opportunity to weigh what is actually written in God's Word vs. the misconceptions that many brethren have from what they 'think'... is written, those secularist non-believers might have a better opportunity to convert to Lord Jesus and believe His Word as The Truth.

The Bible presents these beliefs......
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