No Escape : From Hell

[Aunty Jane]

Their will be people on earth to be ruled.
They were not "Raptured" before the Tribulation started.
And there will be Angels and the born again rule them also.

Say what? What about those you have consigned to “hell” already? Those ones who didn’t accept Jesus before they died? Who are those who are “raptured before the tribulation started”?
“Angels and the born again“ are going to rule them? Where does it say that in the Bible?

We know that the Christians and Jesus will be ruling during the Millennium.....so, there has to be people to be ruled.

Indeed….and Jesus tells us who they will be…..
In Revelation 7: 9-10…
After seeing the chosen ones (144,000) taken from the earth and “born again” to spirit life in heaven, John saw another group, not numbered like the first ones, but a “great multitude”…..who all give credit to the Lamb for their salvation.…..

”After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” . . . .
Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” (ESV)

Those tribulation survivors are not “born again” but are still recognizing Jesus as their savior……These ones will be joined during the millennium by those who are resurrected by Jesus, for either everlasting life as those who died faithful, or a judgment period for those who did not, most of whom never heard Christ’s message or were ever acquainted with “the only true God”. (John 5:28-29; 17:3)

There are gaping holes in your theology.

 

[Jack]

I take it from your reply you don't want or care if scripture conflicts with other scripture ?? or could it be you don't understand the timeline and you are trying to mix things together inappropriately?

What I don't want nor care for is your JW CONSTANT attacks on our Bible.

 

[Jack]

I continue to be curious how it is you know so much about what Satan likes. satan like this satan likes that. pitiful... Next you will be trying to telling me his name is Lucifer.

I've read what Jesus said about WatchTower doctrines of demons leading people to Hell fire.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

I've read what Jesus said about WatchTower doctrines of demons leading people to Hell fire.

1 Timothy 4:1 states that in the last days, some people will abandon the true faith and follow "deceiving spirits and teachings of demons" . is that about what you are trying to infer? you have already pointed out that Satan says this or Satan says that in the WT .
again how is it you know the sayings of Satan that you recognize his words . you now make us wonder if you have ever opened a WT publication. I suspect you're rantings are all based on hearsay information.

hear·say
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.

 

[Marymog]

How true! Look at Christendom….

You are correct….NOTHING can destroy Christ’s church…..but history attests to the fact that Roman Catholicism never was that “church”.
The real “church” lived in those whom the Catholic Church put to death as heretics.…burned alive at the stake because of believing in a god of hell and eternal torment, justifying the heinous murder of those who simply dared to speak the truth. (John 15:18-21)

History lesson AJ!

Protestant denominations "put to death as heretics" their fellow Protestants AND Catholics who "dared to speak the truth".

Have you found "the truth"? It appears you think you know the truth since you know that the Catholic Church is not teaching the truth. If so, in which church denomination did you find this truth?

Curious Mary
IKYWA

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, if there is “manure” in religion, it will show by the actions and beliefs of those who hold to what is not truth.
What have the actions and beliefs of your church demonstrated down through history?
What did Jesus say….

“I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me.” (ESV)
If your church is not the one that Jesus spoke about, then you are the ones calling a Jesus a liar.
How many are puking yours? Seriously….a brief look at the history of your church demonstrates why Jesus can say “I never knew you”….

And NONE of this addresses the heretical statement YOU and @ Behold agreed upon. Will either of you repent of this abomination - or just continue to deflect?

STILL trying to dodgr the fact that you guys said that Jesus’s Church was “Destroyed” – even though HE said that would NEVER happen (Matt. 16:18).

What do YOU and your fellow ignorant anti-Catholic bigot friend, @Behold have in common with the National League Baseball champions??

BOTH of you are Dodgers . . .

Can the church be proud of this…..are you? Where is Christ?

Oh, you mean of like the atrocities against innocent Catholic martyrs over the centuries?
Believe me – you hypocritical anti-Catholics have PLENTY of blood on YOUR hands.

Do you thin Jesus will say, “Well done, my good and faithful servant” to YOUR murderous anti-Catholic Fathers? OR, will He say, “I never knew you” . . .

 

[Behold]

And NONE of this addresses the heretical statement YOU and @ Behold agreed upon.

Look again.

The revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, is the Christ.....is the foundation of Christianity.
This was Peter's revelation.

So, to get the correct understanding of the "Rock", you have to read Paul's epistles.

""""1 Corinthians 10:4 ........"""And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK was Christ.""""​

And again Paul teaches.... that Jesus is the ROCK who is the foundation of the Body of Christ....​

Ephesians 2:20.....and Paul does acknowledge the apostles, but He then teaches that Jesus is absolutely the true foundation..​

"""" And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the Chief Cornerstone"""​

 

[BreadOfLife]

Look again.

The revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, is the Christ.....is the foundation of Christianity.
This was Peter's revelation.
So, to get the correct understanding of the "Rock", you have to read Paul's epistles.

""""1 Corinthians 10:4 ........"""And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK was Christ.""""
And again Paul teaches.... that Jesus is the ROCK who is the foundation of the Body of Christ....
Ephesians 2:20.....and Paul does acknowledge the apostles, but He then teaches that Jesus is absolutely the true foundation..
"""" And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the Chief Cornerstone"""[/B][/FONT]

Another DODGE . . .

I never addressed the Rock.
I never addressed Peter's confession.
I simply exposed your heretical aboniation that Christ's Church was "Destroyed" at some oint.

WHEN are YOU and @Aunty Jane gong to address this and repent of it?

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Annihilationism, is a cult teaching.
Avoid it, as its a "doctrine of devils"... Heb 13:9 (KJV)

Here is the reality.

"Your body is dead because of sin", and your Spirit is not your body.
Humans are a Spiritual creation that exist inside a body.
This is called a "living soul"...in Gen, when God put the spirit into Adam's BODY.
The dead body goes to the Grave, while the living spirit leaves the body, and goes into eternity, ither as a Christan, or as a unbeliever.

If you go into eternity as a Christian, then you were born again, on earth, before you died, and you will go to Heaven.

If you go into eternity as a Unbeliever, or as a "religious but lost"....never born again, then you will not go to Heaven and Hell is the only other eternal destination that God offers.

and now a word FROM JESUS long long ago to confirm this
Fear not he WHO can KILL ONLY the body
fear RATHER HE who can cast both body and soul INTO HELLS FIRES
AND DID JESUS NOT speak about such a place
when he SPOKE about THE parable of the RICH man and lazarous .
AND that rich man sure was in torments
and Was TOLD WE cannot come to YOU nor you to us . DIDNT Sound like he was getting out
SO he then says PLEASE SEND lazaours to my house so as t hey wont END UP HERE IN THESE TORMENTS .
OH yeah there is such a place that exists after this body has died
AND For those who rejected JESUS , it will be full of howls and wails
But ETERNAL LIFE to all WHO DID BELEIVE ON HIM as they forever in paradise with THE KING .
BOTH places are REAL . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME cause FAITH IN HIM
IS the escape FROM THAT HELL HOLE of torments .

 

[Behold]

Another DODGE . . .

I never addressed the Rock.

The MaryCult treaches that Peter is the Rock, and the NT teaches that Jesus is the Rock, and i showed you the verses 2x.

Now, you should not be so ignorant of the MaryCult's history, but you are very ignorant of it, @BreadOfLife .

So, Let me share this with you......

I told you that the MaryCult created the Dark Ages and that is a historical fact.
The MaryCult loved to burn people and they loved to put people in prisons.
If you reseach Jeanne Guyon, a Catholic Mystic, you'll find that they put her in a horrible prision for about 7 yrs because they didnt want her to TEACH.

And i told you that the MaryCult has murdered more people then Islam has murdered.
Thats a fact.

Now, there is a Religious Group that are called "The Cathars".

The MaryCult decided that they were heretics and pursued them to murder them all.
They murdered between 200,000 and some estimates claim, over a Million... Cathars.
This is historical Fact.
Welcome to the "MaryCult".. a bloodthirsty NT denying man made religion, that mind controls its membership and has them kneeling before large plastic statues of Mary.
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[BreadOfLife]

The MaryCult treaches the blah, blah, blah, blah, . . .

I'm having a blast exposig yoiur heresy - so that everybosy on this form can see your hypocrisy . . ..
Eph. 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE them.

So, you can filibuster ALL you want – but we have it on record that YOU and your fellow ignorant bigot, @Aunty Jane said the following:

Heretic #1: “The Catholic Church destroyed Christianity,”
Heretic #2: “… the MaryCult destroyed Christianity,
Ever since I exposed your heresy – BOTH of you have posted slur after idiotic slur – but NEITHER of you wants to own up to the fact that you are calling our Lord Jesus a “LIAR”.

And while you’re mulling over whether ot not you’re going to repent of this heresy – please explain another heresy you cling to – namely, Sola Scriptura. Show me the BIBLICAL proof for that whopper, my hypocritical friend . . .

 

[Aunty Jane]

History lesson AJ!

Protestant denominations "put to death as heretics" their fellow Protestants AND Catholics who "dared to speak the truth".

Perhaps a history lesson is needed for you too MM.
How long was the Catholic church in existence before the Reformation took place?
What was the history of the church for centuries before that?
Was there ever a Protestant Inquisition?….where the church murdered its own people for heresy?

From my perspective, Protestantism is just a breakaway from Catholicism….and we have an English King to thank for what came to be known as ‘The Church of England”…..Catholic in its teachings but allowing this king to divorce his wife who failed to give him a son. He divorced his church from the authority of the pope and replaced him as the head of his church. The British monarchy to this day remain the head of the Church of England.
But Protestantism made far greater inroads and spread its anti Catholic message to the world just as the Catholic chuch did before it…..both equally in error. The foundational beliefs of Protestants remained Catholic.

Have you found "the truth"? It appears you think you know the truth since you know that the Catholic Church is not teaching the truth. If so, in which church denomination did you find this truth?

I had to divorce myself from Christendom altogether in order to realign my belief with the Bible.
I never found “the truth” in any of Christendom’s divided church system…..all embraced the foundations established by Roman Catholicism…so I went back to the beginning and started fresh, allowing the Bible itself to dictate my beliefs. It was very liberating. A complete escape from “hell” and other awful doctrines.

As far as I am aware, no other church teaches what the Bible says, though some are close.
In case you are unaware, not many teach whole Bible truth.…they teach church theology in the mistaken belief that these are the same thing.
My research was thorough and I made sure of their beliefs before I committed myself to Jehovah God, through becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ.

When I say that I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, I mean being a footstep follower of the Master…..doing what he commanded, not what the churches taught at all.

What did he command his followers to do? It was what he did himself….sending his disciples out to search for the lost ones, teaching them about his Father and the wonderful future he had in store for them (Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20)…..there was no hell of eternal torment, his references to “Gehenna” were metaphorical.
I belong to a global brotherhood who all believe the same truth and who are active in the work Jesus assigned to his disciples. He said he would be with them in this work. (Matt 10:11-14; Matt 28:19-20)

They have more than likely called at your door…..

 

[soberxp]

Perhaps a history lesson is needed for you too MM.
How long was the Catholic church in existence before the Reformation took place?
What was the history of the church for centuries before that?
Was there ever a Protestant Inquisition?….where the church murdered its own people for heresy?

From my perspective, Protestantism is just a breakaway from Catholicism….and we have an English King to thank for what came to be known as ‘The Church of England”…..Catholic in its teachings but allowing this king to divorce his wife who failed to give him a son. He divorced his church from the authority of the pope and replaced him as the head of his church. The British monarchy to this day remain the head of the Church of England.
But Protestantism made far greater inroads and spread its anti Catholic message to the world just as the Catholic chuch did before it…..both equally in error. The foundational beliefs of Protestants remained Catholic.

I had to divorce myself from Christendom altogether in order to realign my belief with the Bible.
I never found “the truth” in any of Christendom’s divided church system…..all embraced the foundations established by Roman Catholicism…so I went back to the beginning and started fresh, allowing the Bible itself to dictate my beliefs. It was very liberating. A complete escape from “hell” and other awful doctrines.

As far as I am aware, no other church teaches what the Bible says, though some are close.
In case you are unaware, not many teach whole Bible truth.…they teach church theology in the mistaken belief that these are the same thing.
My research was thorough and I made sure of their beliefs before I committed myself to Jehovah God, through becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ.

When I say that I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, I mean being a footstep follower of the Master…..doing what he commanded, not what the churches taught at all.

What did he command his followers to do? It was what he did himself….sending his disciples out to search for the lost ones, teaching them about his Father and the wonderful future he had in store for them (Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20)…..there was no hell of eternal torment, his references to “Gehenna” were metaphorical.
I belong to a global brotherhood who all believe the same truth and who are active in the work Jesus assigned to his disciples. He said he would be with them in this work. (Matt 10:11-14; Matt 28:19-20)

They have more than likely called at your door…..

Perhaps people of dark nature are more likely to accept the doctrine of hell, while people of light nature embrace the doctrine of God's merciful love.

 

[Jack]

1 Timothy 4:1 states that in the last days, some people will abandon the true faith and follow "deceiving spirits and teachings of demons" . is that about what you are trying to infer? you have already pointed out that Satan says this or Satan says that in the WT .
again how is it you know the sayings of Satan that you recognize his words . you now make us wonder if you have ever opened a WT publication. I suspect you're rantings are all based on hearsay information.

I seriously doubt that many JW's were ever Christians.

hear·say
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.

So list Jesus' comments about the Fire! Ever read the Bible???

 

[Aunty Jane]

So, you can filibuster ALL you want – but we have it on record that YOU and your fellow ignorant bigot, @Aunty Jane said the following:

Heretic #1: “The Catholic Church destroyed Christianity,”

What you are missing, in your defensive response, is that your church, which was instituted in the 4th century after Christ’s death, was never “the church” that Christ started in the first place. It was a sad and erroneous counterfeit, already predicted by Jesus himself. The “weeds” of Jesus parable.

“By their fruits” Jesus said. Their fruits as well as the Protestants, was abominable.
Christianity was never about bloodshed or torture. It was the religion of peace…..headed by the “Prince of Peace”.

Ever since I exposed your heresy – BOTH of you have posted slur after idiotic slur – but NEITHER of you wants to own up to the fact that you are calling our Lord Jesus a “LIAR”.

“Heresy” is basically what they called Jesus’ teachings, but who were the real “heretics”?….the ones pointing the fingers, who held the majority view.…and who supposedly worshipped the same God.
Can you see the pattern? The “heretical“ minority were in the right but the controlling majority were in the wrong.

And while you’re mulling over whether ot not you’re going to repent of this heresy – please explain another heresy you cling to – namely, Sola Scriptura. Show me the BIBLICAL proof for that whopper, my hypocritical friend . . .

Well since you asked…..
Jesus said to his God and Father….
”I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but I ask you to protect them from the evil one. They do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. As you have sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.“ (John 17:14-18 NRSV Catholic Edition)

Who said that relying on the word of God was wrong? Only the Catholic Church as far as Christian history is concerned. Jesus himself relied on Scripture to teach his disciples. The apostles quoted OT Scripture in their teachings, so where did the church get the idea that it was somehow able to be superseded by a man who occupied the highest position in the Vatican to introduce all manner of unscriptural doctrines. There was no hierarchy in first century Christianity….all were equals.
Peter was one of the 12 and all held equal status from God’s point of view.

Christianity has one leader and that is Jesus Christ.
God has one form of substantiated communication with mankind and that is his written word…..the words of men cannot be substantiated…nor was there anything like a pope in first century Christianity. The Bible is our only source of truth…one truth that all must wholeheartedly accept. (1 Cor 1:10)

You are free to believe whom ever you wish….but if you are speaking about…
Eph. 5:11….
“Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE them.”

I can do that too….

 

[Jack]

Christianity has one leader and that is Jesus Christ.

And He sure ain't Michael, the JW savior.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Perhaps people of dark nature are more likely to accept the doctrine of hell, while people of light nature embrace the doctrine of God's merciful love.

I know which nature Christ had….and he was a champion for “the light”.
Jesus said…
Matt 6:22-23….
“The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is focused, your whole body will be bright. 23 But if your eye is envious, your whole body will be dark. If the light that is in you is really darkness, how great that darkness is!”

Says it all really…..

 

[Marvelloustime]

and now a word FROM JESUS long long ago to confirm this
Fear not he WHO can KILL ONLY the body
fear RATHER HE who can cast both body and soul INTO HELLS FIRES
AND DID JESUS NOT speak about such a place
when he SPOKE about THE parable of the RICH man and lazarous .
AND that rich man sure was in torments
and Was TOLD WE cannot come to YOU nor you to us . DIDNT Sound like he was getting out
SO he then says PLEASE SEND lazaours to my house so as t hey wont END UP HERE IN THESE TORMENTS .
OH yeah there is such a place that exists after this body has died
AND For those who rejected JESUS , it will be full of howls and wails
But ETERNAL LIFE to all WHO DID BELEIVE ON HIM as they forever in paradise with THE KING .
BOTH places are REAL . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME cause FAITH IN HIM
IS the escape FROM THAT HELL HOLE of torments .

@amigo de christo

 

[Jack]

@amigo de christo
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2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

A process that NEVER ends in Hell fire!

 

[amigo de christo]

Perhaps people of dark nature are more likely to accept the doctrine of hell, while people of light nature embrace the doctrine of God's merciful love.

Beware that the light that is in one be not darkness , for great is that darkness .
Any light that omits THE HOLY and INSPIRED words Of GOD
is but darkness portraying itself as though it be light .
And no marvel for even satan himself can indeed appear as an angel of light .
Any love that omits the TRUTH of GOD
is of the world and NOT GOD , and is hate as it allows sin and unbelief upon its neighbors .
Beware my friend that the light that is in one be not darkness cloaking itself as light
and the love and mercies of GOD it do present END UP omitting TRUTH HE has said .
JESUS warned of us of such a place
While on earth
and later from HEAVEN itself with the revelation HE gave to JOHN .
REMEMBER that satan is a liar
and what is his desire
THAT all burn with him in the FIRE .
DO NOT ADD TOO or take F ROM that book . Satan is tricking many now to do just that
and worse many seem to love to have it so .
IF you want souls saved , PREACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and DO NOT bring a koran to try and make a point . Bring that bible .
IT is easy for me to see you are under the sway of the ecumincal love movment .
And out of love for your soul I am warning you for your own good . GET OUT OF IT and return to just the bible
to learn and to grow for yourself .