Jesus is the Son of his God

[ProverbsInPink]

It’s fine with me that you aren’t a trinitarian. It will be fine with some, not all, of the trinitarians.

Jewish monotheists and trinitarians can agree at some level on a particular point which you cannot. I respect that.

I don't know what you're hoping to imply there.
When we are told God the word became flesh, Emanuel,"God with us", and dwelt among us, I believe it.
God tells us,besides God there is no savior.

 

[Matthias]

I don't know what you're hoping to imply there.

I wasn’t implying anything.

When we are told God the word became flesh, Emanuel,"God with us", and dwelt among us, I believe it.
God tells us,besides God there is no savior.

 

[ScottA]

How do you explain this to a Muslim or a Jew?

I wouldn't advise it.

Instead, explain that He is the God whom both Moses and Muhammad believed in, Emmanuel (God with us), the Word made flesh.

 

[Matthias]

I wouldn't advise it.

I’m not surprised.

Instead, explain that He is the God whom both Moses and Muhammad believed in, Emmanuel (God with us), the Word made flesh.

That’s your non-trinitarian theology (which is incompatible with the Messiah’s Jewish monotheism). I would explain it to them if they asked me about it; just as I would if they asked me about trinitarian theology.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

That’s your non-trinitarian theology (which is incompatible with the Messiah’s Jewish monotheism). I would explain it to them if they asked me about it.

A non-Trinitarian theology is Monotheism.

How does that conflict with Jewish monotheism?
Except to imply the Jewish monotheist doesn't believe in Jesus as Messiah.

Those who do are not Jewish monotheist. They're Messianic Jews.

 

[Matthias]

A non-Trinitarian theology is Monotheism.

Not always. In the case of @ScottA it is. You might not agree but I have said that trinitarians are also monotheists.

How does that conflict with Jewish monotheism?

In Jewish monotheism the God of Israel is only one person, the Father alone.

Except to imply the Jewish monotheist doesn't believe in Jesus as Messiah.

That’s demonstrably untrue. Virtually all of the early disciples of Jesus were Jewish monotheists.

Those who do are not Jewish monotheist. Their Messianic Jews.

That’s also demonstrably untrue. I’ve written extensively on the forum about the two camps which exist within Messianic Judaism - the larger group is trinitarian; the smaller group is Jewish monotheist.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Not always. In the case of @ScottA it is.

How so? "Not always".

In Jewish monotheism God is only one person, the Father alone.

Correct

That’s demonstrably untrue. Virtually all of the early disciples of Jesus were Jewish monotheists.

I know that.

That’s also demonstrably untrue. I’ve written extensively on the forum about the two camps which exist within Messianic Judaism - the larger group is trinitarian; the smaller group is Jewish monitheist.

You may have written about it. It doesn't make what you think to be Biblically sustainable.

 

[Matthias]

How so? "Not always".

You’re not aware of paganism?

Correct

I would know. I’m a Jewish monotheist.

I know that.

Then your broad comment about Jewish monotheists not believing that Jesus is the Messiah is inexplicable.

Yo may have written about it. It doesn't make what you think to be Biblically sustainable

I’ve personally met with representatives of both groups.

 

[ScottA]

I’m not surprised.



That’s your non-trinitarian theology (which is incompatible with the Messiah’s Jewish monotheism). I would explain it to them if they asked me about it; just as I would if they asked me about trinitarian theology.

No, that was not my "theology"--I don't have a "theology"--I have a God who speaks in due season just as He promised, by His Holy Spirit.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

You’re not aware of paganism?

I am. That's not relevant to your observation.

I would know. I’m a Jewish monotheist.

Then you are not a Christian or one who accepts Jesus as Messiah.

Then your broad comment about Jewish monotheists not believing that Jesus is the Messiah is inexplicable.

You should talk
to Jews first.

I’ve personally met with representatives of both groups.

People can make up their own ideology and co-opt others labels. It doesn't mean their fabrication comports with the established religion they've dissected.

Jesus was not a Jew. He was God,made flesh and born among the Jews.

Labeling ones self a Jewish Monotheist is the act of Circumlocution. You're a Jew.

If you believed in Jesus as the Messiah of prophecy you'd identify as a Messianic Jew.

Yes,I dare define what you are not. Because
Circumlocution is dishonest.

 

[Matthias]

No, that was not my "theology"--I don't have a "theology"--I have a God who speaks in due season just as He promised, by His Holy Spirit.

We’ve been all through this before. If others believe you don’t have a theology, they’re welcome to say so. If others believe you have a theology, they’re welcome to say so.

 

[Matthias]

I am. That's not relevant to your observation.

Who is the deity of the Philistines?

Then you are not a Christian or one who accepts Jesus as Messiah.

I’m a primitive Christian; a 1st century Jewish monotheist living in the 21st century who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living God.

You should talk
to Jews first.

I have talked with Jews.

People can make up their own ideology and co-opt others labels. It doesn't mean their fabrication comports with the established religion they've dissected.

I agree.

Jesus was not a Jew.

Jesus of Nazareth is a Jew. Anyone who says otherwise is promoting “another Jesus”.

He was God,made flesh and born among the Jews.

Labeling ones self a Jewish Monotheist is the act of Circumlocution. You're a Jew.

If you believed in Jesus as the Messiah of prophecy you'd identify as a Messianic Jew.

Yes,I dare define what you are not. Because
Circumlocution is dishonest.

 

[ScottA]

We’ve been all through this before. If others believe you don’t have a theology, they’re welcome to say so. If others believe you have a theology, they’re welcome to say so.

Yes, even if you're wrong. Even so, you have not represented me correctly--and I have corrected you.

 

[Matthias]

Yes, even if you're wrong. Even so, you have not represented me correctly--and I have corrected you.

Everyone has a theology. You’re not an exception.

I was just told (in post #30) “Jesus was not a Jew.“ Jesus absolutely was a Jew. He has a theology and, as you know, I’ve documented what his theology is.

”Jesus was not a Jew” is a theology.

 

[ScottA]

Everyone has a theology. You’re not an exception.

It is not for you to say. And it is not I alone who has corrected you, but He who sent me, to whom you will give account.

 

[Matthias]

It is not for you to say.

In fact, it is for me to say.

And it is not I alone who has corrected you, but He who sent me, to whom you will give account.

I said it before and I’ll say it again-> the God of Jewish monotheism hasn’t sent you.

You swallowed your tongue on “Jesus was not a Jew.” I didn’t.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Who is the deity of the Philistines?

The Philistines were polytheists.

I’m a primitive Christian; a 1st century Jewish monotheist living in the 21st century who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living God.

That's quite an extensive label. Messianic Jew is much simpler.

I have talked with Jews.

OK

I agree.

:)

Jesus of Nazareth is a Jew. Anyone who says otherwise is promoting “another Jesus”.

It's actually the other way around. Thinking Jesus was a Jew is omitting the divine power,deity, that is God with us, Emmanuel.

Jesus was the word,God,made flesh.He dwelt among us. He was not one of us or else he could not save us.

 

[ScottA]

In fact, it is.



I said it before and I’ll say it again-> the God of Jewish monotheism hasn’t sent you.

So shall it be written of you.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

In fact, it is.

No,it isn't.

I said it before and I’ll say it again-> the God of Jewish monotheism hasn’t sent you.

I think you're overstepping your bounds there.
It is absolutely true. You do not know that. And it is wrong to state you are so entitled to judge such a thing.

 

[Matthias]

The Philistines were polytheists.

No. Their deity is Dagon.

That's quite an extensive label. Messianic Jew is much simpler.

OK

:)

It's actually the other way around. Thinking Jesus was a Jew is omitting the divine power,deity, that is God with us, Emmanuel.

Jesus was the word,God,made flesh.He dwelt among us. He was not one of us or else he could not save us.