Jesus is the Son of his God

[Matthias]

Jesus is no human category. Jesus is the Logos that became flesh, coming from the Father and one with Him.

Jesus isn’t a human person in trinitarian theology. You seem to be aware of that fact. In my experience, roughly 80% of trinitarians aren’t aware of it.

 

[Matthias]

John is not using anything, he is not living on this Earth anymore.

John was using the Hebrew Bible when he was alive.

 

[Matthias]

What does the Hebrew Scriptures/Bible Declare of/what/who JESUS is???

The Messiah, Son of the living God.

 

[HealthyShape]

Jesus isn’t a human person in trinitarian theology. You seem to be aware of that fact. In my experience, roughly 80% of trinitarians aren’t aware of it.

I do not know what you mean by this claim. Jesus was the Logos in flesh and since His incarnation is fully man and fully God.

 

[HealthyShape]

John was using the Hebrew Bible when he was alive.

There was no Hebrew Bible in his time. There were only various scriptures, some in Hebrew (not accessible to normal people), some in various Galilean languages and the most used were Greek translations - various forms of the Septuagint.

 

[Matthias]

I do not know what you mean by this claim.

My apologies. I thought you knew more about trinitarian doctrine than you do.

Jesus was the Logos in flesh and since His incarnation is fully man and fully God.

You rightly said that the God of Jesus is only one person, the Father.

Do you understand that a person whose God is only the Father is a unitarian?

 

[David in NJ]

The Messiah, Son of the living God.

Please begin with the first declaration in Genesis = IF you know = Thank You

 

[Matthias]

There was no Hebrew Bible in his time. There were only various scriptures, some in Hebrew (not accessible to normal people), some in various Galilean languages and the most used were Greek translations - the various forms of the Septuagint.

John was using what, when compiled, is known as the Hebrew Bible. John is drawing on his background as a Jew.

 

[HealthyShape]

My apologies. I thought you knew more about trinitarian doctrine than you do.



You rightly said that the God of Jesus is only one person, the Father.

Do you understand that a person whose God is only the Father is a unitarian?

Do you understand that a person who is one with Father in His deity is in no human theological category, but in a unique position?

 

[Matthias]

Please begin with the first declaration in Genesis = IF you know = Thank You

I don’t understand what you’re saying. All of the Hebrew Bible points to Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah promised by the God of Israel.

 

[HealthyShape]

John was using what, when compiled, is known as the Hebrew Bible. John is drawing on his background as a Jew.

You like to speculate quite a lot. If you knew more about the prologue, you would know it refers to the Hellenistic concept of Logos.

 

[Matthias]

Do you understand that a person who is one with Father in His deity is in no human theological category, but in a unique position?

I understand that Jesus is one with his God and Father and is in a unique position.

 

[HealthyShape]

I understand that Jesus is one with his God and Father and is in a unique position.

Great. But for us, people, God is triune.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t understand what you’re saying. All of the Hebrew Bible points to Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah promised by the God of Israel.

i have to step out for coffee with my wife

As the Terminator would say: "I'll be back"

 

[Matthias]

You like to speculate quite a lot.

As anyone who knows me would tell you, I’m not big on speculation.

If you knew more about the prologue, you would know it refers to the Hellenistic concept of Logos.

I know, as do trinitarian scholars, that there is also a Hebrew concept of logos.

It is the Hellenistic concept that sent the church away from the monotheism of John, the other apotsles, and Jesus.

 

[Matthias]

Great.

You acknowledged that the God of Jesus is only one person, the Father. That is the creed of Judaism.

Can you acknowledge that the theology of people whose God is only one person, the Father, is unitarian?

But for us, people, God is triune.

Only for trinitarian people.

 

[Matthias]

The Father.

So Jesus is the Son of his God.

What do you say to the woman who says early in this thread (post #10) that that’s ”wrong and unbiblical”?

 

[Matthias]

i have to step out for coffee with my wife

As the Terminator would say: "I'll be back"

I’ll be stepping out for a workout at the gym shortly. God willing, I’ll be back sometime this afternoon.

Were you asking me about the first messianic prophecy in Genesis?

 

[Matthias]

I don't do creeds.

Jesus does. His creed is the creed of Judaism. His creed is my creed.

I do scripture.

So does Jesus. So do I.

 

[David in NJ]

I’ll be stepping out for a workout at the gym shortly. God willing, I’ll be back sometime this afternoon.

Were you asking me about the first messianic prophecy in Genesis?

OK, i am stepping out again to take my son trout fishing - talk with you later