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[ProverbsInPink]

question from Genesis 1:26

Who are the "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"???

You're ignoring the next verse.
27.
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

 

[David in NJ]

You're ignoring the next verse.
27.
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Thank you

You are ignoring the PREVIOUS verse which determines the next verse.

i can given you a clear and concise scriptural declaration of Genesis 1:27 from the Lord Jesus Christ but i would like for you to give your best estimation of who the "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

That’s not true. Yahweh isn’t speaking to my Yahweh. Yahweh is speaking to someone who is identified with the non-deity title. The deity is speaking a a non-deity. The Hebrew deity title adonai doesn’t occur in verse 1.



That’s right. That’s David’s God. That’s Abraham’s God. That’s the Messiah’s God. That’s the one God of Israel.




That’s not right. That’s the non-deity title but Yahweh is speaking prophetically to Jesus.



What you’ve written doesn’t agree with the NT identification of “to my lord” as Jesus.

i never said YHWH is speaking to my YHWH


Acts 2:25-28

For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Thank you

You are ignoring the PREVIOUS verse which determines the next verse.

i can given you a clear and concise scriptural declaration of Genesis 1:27 from the Lord Jesus Christ but i would like for you to give your best estimation of who the "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"

SHALOM

I did not ignore anything.
You ignored yet again verse 27. Because it refutes your belief in tri-theism.
That's what Tri-nity doctrine is.
God was not Triune in the Old Testament. He is not Triune in the new.
Especially when God tells us he alone is God and besides Him there is no Savior.



Do you realize God is not alone in Heaven?

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/558595/jewish/Who-was-Gd-addressing-when-saying-Let-US-create-man.htm

 

[Matthias]

i never said YHWH is speaking to my YHWH

You said Yahweh is speaking to David. (That’s incorrect.)

Then you said David writes that Yahweh is my Adonai. (That’s incorrect.)

Adonai is the title given to Yahweh, not to David, nor to Jesus.

You’re right that Yahweh is not speaking to Yahweh. Yahweh is speaking to someone who is inferior to Yahweh; to someone who isn’t Yahweh.

Yahweh is speaking prophetically to Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah.

 

[David in NJ]

I did not ignore anything.
You ignored yet again verse 27. Because it refutes your belief in tri-theism.
That's what Tri-nity doctrine is.
God was not Triune in the Old Testament. He is not Triune in the new.
Especially when God tells us he alone is God and besides Him there is no Savior.



Do you realize God is not alone in Heaven?

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/558595/jewish/Who-was-Gd-addressing-when-saying-Let-US-create-man.htm

Gen 1:26 is BEFORE 1:27

i NEVER ignored verse 27 =

If you refuse Gen 1:26 by default you admit you do knot know who US/OUR/OUR is - and that is ok since CHRIST is the Savior,
whom you believe.

A lack of understanding of GENESIS will result is this which you stated:

"Because it refutes your belief in tri-theism.
That's what Tri-nity doctrine is.
God was not Triune in the Old Testament. He is not Triune in the new."

Are you a jehovah witness?

 

[David in NJ]

You said Yahweh is speaking to David. (That’s incorrect.)

Then you said David writes that Yahweh is my Adonai. (That’s incorrect.)

Adonai is the title given to Yahweh, not to David, nor to Jesus.

You’re right that Yahweh is not speaking to Yahweh. Yahweh is speaking to someone who is inferior to Yahweh; to someone who isn’t Yahweh.

Yahweh is speaking prophetically to Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah.

Yahweh is speaking to David/adoni/someone inferior to Yahweh = this i have stated continually

Acts 2:25-28 declares what i am saying to you

For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

 

[Matthias]

Yahweh is speaking to David/adoni/someone inferior to Yahweh = this i have stated continually

Acts 2:25-28 declares what i am saying to you

For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

Yahweh is speaking to the Messiah. I shouldn’t have to say this but I do: David isn’t the Messiah.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Gen 1:26 is BEFORE 1:27

i NEVER ignored verse 27 =

If you refuse Gen 1:26 by default you admit you do knot know who US/OUR/OUR is - and that is ok since CHRIST is the Savior,
whom you believe.

A lack of understanding of GENESIS will result is this which you stated:


Are you a jehovah witness?

No, I'm not a Jehovah Witness.

 

[David in NJ]

Yahweh is speaking to the Messiah. I shouldn’t have to say this but I do: David isn’t the Messiah.

Falsehood - Yahweh is speaking to David as a picture of the FATHER speaking to His SON

JESUS Said this = why do you not believe JESUS

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”

They said to Him, “The Son of David.”

He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”
And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him

 

[David in NJ]

No, I'm not a Jehovah Witness.

Anytime you want to share who you think the "Let US/OUR/OUR" is, please share as that is why we are here = to bless one another

When you do, i will bless you as well and share who "HE" is in verse 27

SHALOM

 

[Matthias]

Falsehood - Yahweh is speaking to David as a picture of the FATHER speaking to His SON

If I provide a trinitarian source saying that Psalm 110 is a Messianic psalm, would you believe it?

JESUS Said this = why do you not believe JESUS

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”

They said to Him, “The Son of David.”

He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”
And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him

 

[David in NJ]

If I provide a trinitarian source saying that Psalm 110 is a Messianic psalm, would you believe it?

i believe what the LORD taught me = "It is written"

Why do you not believe JESUS =
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”

Why do you not believe the Apostle Peter speaking by the Holy Spirit:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

 

[Matthias]

i believe what the LORD taught me = "It is written"

Why do you not believe JESUS =
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”

Why do you not believe the Apostle Peter speaking by the Holy Spirit:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

If I provided five trinitarian sources saying that Psalm 110 is a Messianic psalm, would you believe it?

 

[David in NJ]

If I provided five trinitarian sources saying that Psalm 110 is a Messianic psalm, would you believe it?

i do not follow "trinitarian sources"

Why are you avoiding this Holy Spirit Truth:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

There is only One Person at the Right Hand of GOD and it is not David

The LORD is at the Right Hand of GOD

 

[Matthias]

i do not follow "trinitarian sources"

Why are you avoiding this Holy Spirit Truth:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

I could provide you with thousands of trinitarian sources. So not even a trinitarian could persuade you that Psalm 110 is a Messianic psalm.

The trinitarians are right. It’s a Messianic psalm.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Anytime you want to share who you think the "Let US/OUR/OUR" is, please share as that is why we are here = to bless one another

When you do, i will bless you as well and share who "HE" is in verse 27

SHALOM

I'm blessed because God's spirit lives in me as one eternally sealed by His grace.

I know who God is in verse 27. Because the verse tells us it is God. You don't see that plurality in verse 27 because the plural reference disappears.
Had three separate beings created man,the plural identity would continue.

The others referred to in the verses prior are the angels in Heaven.

Consider this.

Who is G‑d talking to when he says, "Let us create man in our image"? If G‑d is the One and Only, why does he refer to Himself in plural form?

Answer:

Great question. In fact, the biblical commentator Rashi (Rabbi Smo Yitzchaki, 1040-1105) asks the same question in his commentary to the verse (Genesis 1:26). Here is his explanation which is based on Midrashic sources:

"Although [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel, to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies, Scripture did not hesitate to teach proper conduct and the trait of humility, that a great person should consult with and receive permission from a smaller one. Had it been written: "I shall make man," we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself.

And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it, in the following verse: "And G‑d created (וַיִּבְרָא)," and it does not say, "and they created (וַיִּבְרְאוּ)."

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/558595/jewish/Who-was-Gd-addressing-when-saying-Let-US-create-man.htm

 

[David in NJ]

I could provide you with thousands of trinitarian sources. So not even a trinitarian could persuade you that Psalm 110 is a Messianic psalm.

The trinitarians are right. It’s a Messianic psalm.

You need the Baptism of the Holy Spirit to SEE

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

 

[David in NJ]

I'm blessed because God's spirit lives in me as one eternally sealed by His grace.

I know who God is in verse 27. Because the verse tells us it is God. You don't see that plurality in verse 27 because the plural reference disappears.
Had three separate beings created man,the plural identity would continue.

The others referred to in the verses prior are the angels in Heaven.

Consider this.

Who is G‑d talking to when he says, "Let us create man in our image"? If G‑d is the One and Only, why does he refer to Himself in plural form?

Answer:

Great question. In fact, the biblical commentator Rashi (Rabbi Smo Yitzchaki, 1040-1105) asks the same question in his commentary to the verse (Genesis 1:26). Here is his explanation which is based on Midrashic sources:

"Although [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel, to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies, Scripture did not hesitate to teach proper conduct and the trait of humility, that a great person should consult with and receive permission from a smaller one. Had it been written: "I shall make man," we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself.

And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it, in the following verse: "And G‑d created (וַיִּבְרָא)," and it does not say, "and they created (וַיִּבְרְאוּ)."

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/558595/jewish/Who-was-Gd-addressing-when-saying-Let-US-create-man.htm

Chabad Jews are in SIN and DARKNESS = i KNOW because i live with them

Never rely on those who crucified the LORD and say that JESUS is in hell in human feces.

 

[Matthias]

You need the Baptism of the Holy Spirit to SEE

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

The psalm obviously isn’t about David. The psalm is about the Messiah.

The NT writers used it - the most frequently quoted / alluded to OT text in the NT - to support their belief and the preaching of Jesus and the apostles that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of God.