Doctrine of successive resurrections

[kdx]

Hello,

I was recently reading Milton Terrys Biblical Hermeneutics, and there I found an interesting idea. He proposed the doctrine of so called successive resurrections.

The idea is that after the resurrection of some by Christ himself during his earthly ministry, and after the resurrection of many saints when Jesus was crucified (as recorded in Matthew), and after Christs own resurrection, that there would be (and was) a partial, bodily resurrection of at least some believers when Jesus visited Jerusalem in judgment in 70 AD. This would be the fulfillment of the resurrection passages of Corinthians and Thessalonians, and the First Resurrection talked about in Revelation 20. The rest of the dead are therefore not resurrected until after the millennial kingdom, which is the current church age.

I never heard of this view and I would like to ask you, if you could provide further resources in that topic? That sounds very interesting to me, and would solve a lot of problems, but it also (as is always the case of course) creates some problems.

But let me be brief yet. He gives also some further scriptural support for this idea of his, for example when Paul himself wishes himself to “attain unto the resurrection of the dead”, or the passage in Corinthians of the sequence of the resurrection: first Christ, then “those of Christ at his coming” (that would be at 70 AD), and then the “end”, or, as some other theologians suggest it could be translated, the “rest”.

Although he does not specify the exact picture as to how many and who exactly would partake of that resurrection, I already have some questions and concerns regarding it. The first would be, that we have some early church writings, for example first Clement, and they don’t mention anything about it. But that is an argument from silence, now that I think about it. But secondly, when reading first Corinthians or Thessalonians, it sounds like Paul makes them hopeful that they all will be resurrected and changed (the living ones; I forgot to mention that this resurrection takes place simultaneously with the changing into eternal glory of the living ones at the time). But then, when all are resurrected, and the living ones changed and raptured unto heaven to the Lord, then who’s left? Who’s left in Corinth, in Thessalonica, in Jerusalem, everywhere? It seems to me, that then there is no church on earth left. But there was a church shortly after in Corinth still, thats what first Clement is addressed to, for example. That’s a bit strange. But of course, the solution would be, that some are not taken into heaven (for whatever reason); but as I said, the impression I get when reading those resurrection passages is that every one gets into heaven.

I would like to read more about that, it doesn’t sound like Terry himself came up with it. But I can not find anything. Therefore I wanted to ask here: could anyone help me with that?

I would also welcome your insights into this topic. I will leave a link to Terrys book below, he starts the discussion on the topic on page 463.

Thank you and God bless.


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[GRACE ambassador]

Although he does not specify the exact picture as to how many and who exactly would partake of that resurrection, I already have some questions and concerns regarding it.

Precious friend, this "resurrections post" may be helpful.

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

The idea is that after the resurrection of some by Christ himself during his earthly ministry, and after the resurrection of many saints when Jesus was crucified (as recorded in Matthew), and after Christs own resurrection, that there would be (and was) a partial, bodily resurrection of at least some believers when Jesus visited Jerusalem in judgment in 70 AD. This would be the fulfillment of the resurrection passages of Corinthians and Thessalonians, and the First Resurrection talked about in Revelation 20. The rest of the dead are therefore not resurrected until after the millennial kingdom, which is the current church age.

This is speculation from men that is contrary to the Gospel, the Apostles, the OT Prophets and Revelation

Ditch that book by 'Terry'

OPEN the BOOK of LIFE and pray before, during and after you read = each day!

 

[3 Resurrections]

I would like to read more about that, it doesn’t sound like Terry himself came up with it. But I can not find anything. Therefore I wanted to ask here: could anyone help me with that?

This is my favorite subject - the three successive resurrection events taught in Scripture. You don't need Terry to find this in Scripture. Just some digging in the Book. It's there to be found.

 

[David in NJ]

This is my favorite subject - the three successive resurrection events taught in Scripture. You don't need Terry to find this in Scripture. Just some digging in the Book. It's there to be found.

It is not in scripture but it is in some peoples minds.............

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is my favorite subject - the three successive resurrection events taught in Scripture. You don't need Terry to find this in Scripture. Just some digging in the Book. It's there to be found.

By "there", I assume you mean "nowhere".

 

[David in NJ]

This is my favorite subject - the three successive resurrection events taught in Scripture. You don't need Terry to find this in Scripture. Just some digging in the Book. It's there to be found.

Daniel 12:1-3 obliterates the falsehood of = 70AD "Coming of Christ" and resurrection.

70AD Coming/resurrection is the SAME error as pre-trib rapture = there does not exist in all of Scripture any such prophesy.

Surely the Lord God does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. - Amos 3:7

 

[kdx]

Daniel 12:1-3 obliterates the falsehood of = 70AD "Coming of Christ" and resurrection.

There are other fine and possible views concerning that passage, here's one example by Ken Gentry:

Daniel appears to be presenting Israel as a grave site under God’s curse: Israel as a corporate body is in the “dust” (Da 12:2; cp. Ge 3:14, 19). In this he follows Ezekiel’s pattern in his vision of the dry bones, which represent Israel’s “death” in the Babylonian dispersion (Eze 37).[1] As D. S. Russell notes: “Prophecies concerning the restoration of the nation under the figure of a resurrection from the dead had already been made familiar by Hosea, who speaks of the time when God will ‘ransom them from the power of the grave’ (13.14), and by Ezekiel in his famous vision of the valley of dry bones (37).” [2] In Daniel’s prophecy many will awaken, as it were, during the great tribulation to suffer the full fury of the divine wrath, while others will enjoy God’s grace in receiving everlasting life. Luke presents similar imagery in Luke 2:34 in a prophecy about the results of Jesus’s birth for Israel: “And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, ‘Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed.’”

RESURRECTION IN DANIEL 12:2

PMT 2014-140 by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. In Daniel 12:1–2 we find a passage that clearly speaks of the great tribulation in AD 70: “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over th…

postmillennialworldview.com

 

[David in NJ]

There are other fine and possible views concerning that passage, here's one example by Ken Gentry:

Daniel appears to be presenting Israel as a grave site under God’s curse: Israel as a corporate body is in the “dust” (Da 12:2; cp. Ge 3:14, 19). In this he follows Ezekiel’s pattern in his vision of the dry bones, which represent Israel’s “death” in the Babylonian dispersion (Eze 37).[1] As D. S. Russell notes: “Prophecies concerning the restoration of the nation under the figure of a resurrection from the dead had already been made familiar by Hosea, who speaks of the time when God will ‘ransom them from the power of the grave’ (13.14), and by Ezekiel in his famous vision of the valley of dry bones (37).” [2] In Daniel’s prophecy many will awaken, as it were, during the great tribulation to suffer the full fury of the divine wrath, while others will enjoy God’s grace in receiving everlasting life. Luke presents similar imagery in Luke 2:34 in a prophecy about the results of Jesus’s birth for Israel: “And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, ‘Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed.’”

RESURRECTION IN DANIEL 12:2

PMT 2014-140 by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. In Daniel 12:1–2 we find a passage that clearly speaks of the great tribulation in AD 70: “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over th…

postmillennialworldview.com

ALL GOOD and TRUTH except for that Daniel did not know of Revelation ch20 whereby GOD's PLAN is to separate the Resurrection unto Eternal LIFE from the resurrection unto the Second Death by 1,000 Years

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There are other fine and possible views concerning that passage, here's one example by Ken Gentry:

Daniel appears to be presenting Israel as a grave site under God’s curse: Israel as a corporate body is in the “dust” (Da 12:2; cp. Ge 3:14, 19). In this he follows Ezekiel’s pattern in his vision of the dry bones, which represent Israel’s “death” in the Babylonian dispersion (Eze 37).[1] As D. S. Russell notes: “Prophecies concerning the restoration of the nation under the figure of a resurrection from the dead had already been made familiar by Hosea, who speaks of the time when God will ‘ransom them from the power of the grave’ (13.14), and by Ezekiel in his famous vision of the valley of dry bones (37).” [2] In Daniel’s prophecy many will awaken, as it were, during the great tribulation to suffer the full fury of the divine wrath, while others will enjoy God’s grace in receiving everlasting life. Luke presents similar imagery in Luke 2:34 in a prophecy about the results of Jesus’s birth for Israel: “And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, ‘Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed.’”

RESURRECTION IN DANIEL 12:2

PMT 2014-140 by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. In Daniel 12:1–2 we find a passage that clearly speaks of the great tribulation in AD 70: “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over th…

postmillennialworldview.com

It makes far more sense that Daniel 12:2 is referring to the same thing that Jesus talked about here in relation to a coming hour/time of the bodily resurrection of all of the dead.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

 

[kdx]

It makes far more sense that Daniel 12:2 is referring to the same thing that Jesus talked about here in relation to a coming hour/time of the bodily resurrection of all of the dead.

Ye I always thought so, too. But what bothered me was that the passage says that “many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake”. This doesn’t line up with Jesus statement. You see it’s a direct contrast: many of those. So this cannot be about the last and final resurrection.

Furthermore, the very next verse speaks about evangelizing. It reads:

And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

This also doesn’t line up with the last resurrection.

 

[ScottA]

Hello,

I was recently reading Milton Terrys Biblical Hermeneutics, and there I found an interesting idea. He proposed the doctrine of so called successive resurrections.

The idea is that after the resurrection of some by Christ himself during his earthly ministry, and after the resurrection of many saints when Jesus was crucified (as recorded in Matthew), and after Christs own resurrection, that there would be (and was) a partial, bodily resurrection of at least some believers when Jesus visited Jerusalem in judgment in 70 AD. This would be the fulfillment of the resurrection passages of Corinthians and Thessalonians, and the First Resurrection talked about in Revelation 20. The rest of the dead are therefore not resurrected until after the millennial kingdom, which is the current church age.

I never heard of this view and I would like to ask you, if you could provide further resources in that topic? That sounds very interesting to me, and would solve a lot of problems, but it also (as is always the case of course) creates some problems.

But let me be brief yet. He gives also some further scriptural support for this idea of his, for example when Paul himself wishes himself to “attain unto the resurrection of the dead”, or the passage in Corinthians of the sequence of the resurrection: first Christ, then “those of Christ at his coming” (that would be at 70 AD), and then the “end”, or, as some other theologians suggest it could be translated, the “rest”.

Although he does not specify the exact picture as to how many and who exactly would partake of that resurrection, I already have some questions and concerns regarding it. The first would be, that we have some early church writings, for example first Clement, and they don’t mention anything about it. But that is an argument from silence, now that I think about it. But secondly, when reading first Corinthians or Thessalonians, it sounds like Paul makes them hopeful that they all will be resurrected and changed (the living ones; I forgot to mention that this resurrection takes place simultaneously with the changing into eternal glory of the living ones at the time). But then, when all are resurrected, and the living ones changed and raptured unto heaven to the Lord, then who’s left? Who’s left in Corinth, in Thessalonica, in Jerusalem, everywhere? It seems to me, that then there is no church on earth left. But there was a church shortly after in Corinth still, thats what first Clement is addressed to, for example. That’s a bit strange. But of course, the solution would be, that some are not taken into heaven (for whatever reason); but as I said, the impression I get when reading those resurrection passages is that every one gets into heaven.

I would like to read more about that, it doesn’t sound like Terry himself came up with it. But I can not find anything. Therefore I wanted to ask here: could anyone help me with that?

I would also welcome your insights into this topic. I will leave a link to Terrys book below, he starts the discussion on the topic on page 463.

Thank you and God bless.


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This has been a mystery, but they were wrong.

The answer to this great mystery was to be, and has been, sealed until the fulfillment of the prophecy of "time no longer" (Revelation 10:6). This is that time.

The "time no longer" passage has been interpreted until now, rather as "delay" no longer. Which would seem to mean later in the future, or at the end of time. "Delay" and "later" are true, as it was to be sealed until now before being revealed. But as for it being at the end of time--that is not how it is written chronologically in the text. What is written rather, shows "time no longer" occurring--not at the end, but before the end--after which the end would indeed come. Thus the error in interpretation all of this time.

Contrary to popular belief, what "time no longer" refers to, is that with God--time does not exist--and only just before the end it was to be revealed that the time has come for "the renewing of your mind" to consider matters of God His way instead of the way the world does. Where have we heard that before? In other words, in spite of time being all we have known, time is an illusion limited to this world. Interestingly, Einstein's theory regarding time would agree.

According to the terms of "time no longer"...there is but One resurrection--which is the resurrection of Christ wherein all are raised up "some unto eternal life, some unto eternal damnation." Yet it is written as being two resurrections, because some (including Israel) were raised up having lived and died before Christ sent the Holy Spirit for "we who are alive and remain" (Paul's words). As Paul clarified, he even referred to "all" as being made up of two "groups"--and yet "in Christ" we all are made "One new man." Thus, One resurrection, but two groups, one before the ascension of "Christ the firstfruits"(--at the true time of the resurrection as recorded on this worldly side of the equation)--and the other group then began to ascend "soon" after His ascension.

As you can see from everything in quotations, all of this is written. This is why Jesus declared, "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:36). Quite literally meaning "all" of everything He spoke of. Not all He said as if to mean a future generation--but that very generation--as He identified that specific generation, speaking to them saying "you"--not "them." Did you think personal pronouns was just a new woke thing? No--nor are rainbows a new sign either.

"Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them" (Isaiah 42:9)

Even so--just as all who went before since Adam until Christ, were born, lived, and died in their own time throughout the history of this world within the illusion of times--we too, since Christ ascended and came knocking on the door with the Holy spirit to each in their own time--we too find ourselves living and dying in our own time in the history and illusion of the times of this world. Or as Paul eluded, regarding the two "groups"--"but each one in his own order" ("each one" originally defined as "each one personally"). Which was and has been "unlawful to utter" until now.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ye I always thought so, too. But what bothered me was that the passage says that “many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake”. This doesn’t line up with Jesus statement. You see it’s a direct contrast: many of those. So this cannot be about the last and final resurrection.

That isn't an issue at all once you understand what the Hebrew word translated as "many" or sometimes as "multitudes" means. It does NOT have to mean some or many, but not all. It refers to the number of something, such as the number of those who will be resurrected, and can refer to some or all of that something, such as the number of those who will be resurrected. The Hebrew word is "rab". That same word is used in Genesis 21:34.

Genesis 21:33 Then Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there called on the name of the Lord, the Everlasting God. 34 And Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines many (Hebrew: rab) days.

So, Genesis 21:34 talks about the time when Abraham was "in the land of the Philistines many days". Is that talking about many, but not all of the days that Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines or all of the days that Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines? It's referring to all of the days Abraham was there which numbered as "many days".

Here's one more example in Genesis 37:35.

Genesis 37:31 So they took Joseph’s tunic, killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the tunic in the blood. 32 Then they sent the tunic of many colors, and they brought it to their father and said, “We have found this. Do you know whether it is your son’s tunic or not?” 33 And he recognized it and said, “It is my son’s tunic. A wild beast has devoured him. Without doubt Joseph is torn to pieces.” 34 Then Jacob tore his clothes, put sackcloth on his waist, and mourned for his son many (Hebrew: rab) days.

This passage refers to when Jacob thought that his son Joseph had died. It says that he mourned for his son "many days". Is that talking about many, but not all of the days that Jacob mourned for Joseph or all of the days that Jacob mourned? It's referring to all of the days that Jacob mourned, which were "many".

So, Daniel 12:2 should be understood similarly. It refers to all of the dead that will be resurrected and the number of them will be "many", or as other translations put it : "multitudes". There will not be two events when the saved and lost dead will be resurrected. There will only be one and it is described in both Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29.

Furthermore, the very next verse speaks about evangelizing. It reads:

And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

This also doesn’t line up with the last resurrection.

That's not talking about evangelizing, that's talking about what will be the case after "those who are wise" and those who turned "many to righteousness" are resurrected. They will "shine like the brightness of the sky above" and "like the stars forever and ever". That's talking about the same thing as Jesus talked about in the following passage in relation to the end of this temporal age.

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!