Aunty Jane
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I believe it might have been you....I wasn’t referring to renegade sects...I was referring to what the church was before the schism. The Orthodox churches claim to be “Catholic”...so, who said that they weren’t? They have all the trappings of the Roman church...the robes and the statues and icons. Their rituals and beliefs are very similar....probably more cultural differences if anything. The most glaring difference is the authority of the pope....why is that do you think?
Let’s have a good look at the Didache and see why you hold that up as proof of your primacy as a Christian religion instead of the Bible.....
The ECF’s whom you quote, were said to be contemporaries of some of the apostles. Thus, they should have been familiar with apostolic teachings. Regarding what those men wrote, The New Encyclopædia Britannica says...
“Taken as a whole the writings of the Apostolic Fathers are more valuable historically than any other Christian literature outside the New Testament.”
If the apostles taught the Trinity doctrine, then those Apostolic Fathers should have taught it too. It should have been prominent in their teaching, since nothing was more important than telling people who God is. So did they teach the Trinity doctrine?
The Didache deals with things people would need to know to become Christians, and includes the following confession of faith in the form of a prayer....
“We thank you, Holy Father, for your holy Name which you have made to dwell in our hearts; and for the knowledge and faith and immortality which you have made known to us through Jesus your Servant. Glory to you forever! You, Almighty Master, created everything for your Name’s sake . . . And to us you have graciously given spiritual food and drink, and life eternal through Jesus your Servant.”
There is no Trinity in this. Can Jesus be a “servant” of God if he is God already? (Acts 4:27; 30)
In “The Influence of Greek Ideas on Christianity”, author Edwin Hatch quotes the foregoing passage and then says.....
“The Didache ....In its 7th chapter, it prescribes baptism “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” the same words Jesus used at Matt 28:19. But it says nothing about the three being equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom.“
Where is the trinity in this?
In his book, this author Edwin Hatch says.....
“In the original sphere of Christianity there does not appear to have been any great advance upon these simple conceptions. The doctrine upon which stress was laid was, that God is, that He is one, that He is almighty and everlasting, that He made the world, that His mercy is over all His works. There was no taste for metaphysical discussion.”
I don’t think the Didache says what the CC claims that it does....
LOL...if you say so.....you can believe whatever your church tells you.....it’s what you want to believe and I understand what it would mean to admit that it’s been wrong since it’s questionable inception. It bears all the character of pagan Rome with a thin veneer of Christianity.....very easily exposed. (“By their fruits”)
Which would be fine if you actually gave our side of this story....
Where did this twisted nonsense come from? Not from any honest investigation if your posts to date are any indication of your preference for the truth.
Russell never claimed to be a prophet...neither do the brothers who oversee our world wide brotherhood. All are imperfect men, just like the apostles were...they make mistakes like we all do....
So right off the bat, you proclaim a falsehood. We have gone back to the simplicity of the original with no bosses...only overseers who are shepherds....no one is paid to do the Lord’s work. No charges for weddings or funerals and we refuse to practice infant baptism because it is simply not a matter of sprinkling water on a baby’s head and the empty promises of so called “God parents”. Empty rituals have no place in Christianity.
Towards the latter part of the 1800’s, was something called “the great awakening”...and since your church was never a part of that awakening, but the actual perpetrators of the coma that the whole of Christendom was under, it affected only those called to question the teaching of an impotent church system, pretending to be imitators of Christ, but teaching things that Christ never did, whilst being part of the influence on monarchs and leaders of powerful nations, and taking full advantage of the position they were placed in. Becoming a clergyman was a career choice, not an office of service to God and his Christ. It was a way to make a living by doing very little.
Where did that come from? Certainly not from JW’s.
We believe that Jesus is what he himself said he was......” the son of God” (John 10:31-36)....not once in any passage of Scripture did Jesus say that he was an equal deity with his God and Father.
Does satan have brothers? Yes he does, in the myriads of angels who joined him in rebellion.
Jesus is a unique “son of God” because he alone was the first and only direct creation of his Father, fulfilling the meaning of “monogenes”....”only begotten”. (Rev 3:14) “Monogenes theos” means “only begotten god”, so if you can tell me how God can be “begotten” in the biblical sense of the word, I’m all ears. But it has to come from the Scriptures, not from outside of them. To be “begotten” means to to have a ‘begetter’ who existed first and produced the “begotten” as his progeny. A Father and son cannot be the same person and no Scripture says so.
No, we have had only one Bible prophesy.....and we got the timing wrong...you learn from your mistakes and we should have heeded Matt 24:37-39....But, since even the apostles got the timing wrong, we don’t feel so bad. (Acts 1:6)
It’s still the same prophesy today, and it’s closer than ever to fulfilment, judging by the events Jesus gave to indicate that he was “present”....and all the features of the “sign”, have to be in evidence.....they all are.
LOL...there were no clergy in first century Christianity.....no hierarchy....no popes.... just brothers in equal standing assigned responsibilities in the congregation. There were no men in distinctive garb and funny hats with expensive robes sitting on earthly thrones.....where do you get the idea that this was “Christianity”?
This is so far removed from Jesus Christ, as to be laughable.....who are you trying to kid?
Yourselves apparently....
Best that you remove the garbage from your own backyard before tipping your rubbish into mine....
Don’t get me started.....because the Catholic church’s history, (not hearsay but actual, factual history)....makes my brotherhood look like saints.
You can pretend it didn’t happen or you can acknowledge the inconvenient truth.....there is no Christianity in Catholicism....no matter what “rite” they hold to.
If you can’t see it....there is really nothing more to say....
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