The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

[saved by grace 101]

I understand that. Get it totally. It's a shame that so many have suffered from such a deceptively warped view of the gospel.

But I ended up like that because people said I must obey the TC. I couldn't live with a watered down version of them, the law was within me. If I asked anyone who said that if I could attain to Heaven if I didnt obey the TC what do you think they would say?
There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version

 

[Brakelite]

Sin took occasion of one of ther TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in him

No, no. The commandment merely informed Paul of his sin. It didn't cause the sin. Paul caused the sin by succumbing to lust. But he didn't know until he read the law.

He states in Rom 7:4-6 we must die to the law in order to be bear fruit for God.

Again no. The husband is not a metaphor for the law. It's a metaphor for the old man. We die to sin. We die to the old life. We die to self.

 

[Brakelite]

But I ended up like that because people said I must obey the TC. I couldn't live with a watered down version of them, the law was within me. If I asked anyone who said that if I could attain to Heaven if I didnt obey the TC what do you think they would say?
There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version

I agree. BUT, the law is personified in Christ. It is Christ Himself Who comes and abides in our hearts and minds. It is His righteousness, His holiness that we embrace as we die to self. All by faith in Him. Righteousness by faith. Obedience is the fruit of the relationship we have with Jesus, the law being fulfilled in Him.

 

[saved by grace 101]

No, no. The commandment merely informed Paul of his sin. It didn't cause the sin. Paul caused the sin by succumbing to lust. But he didn't know until he read the law.

Again no. The husband is not a metaphor for the law. It's a metaphor for the old man. We die to sin. We die to the old life. We die to self.

You must die to righteousness of obeying the law. That is what Paul means by dying to the laws. It is his core message. I wasnt going to mention this, I do not wish to offend. But I went to an sda church for a while to please a friend. I saw more transgression of the TC in that church than any other church I have ever been to. Two women were laughing and joking as they transgressed one of the TC, that they alongside everyone else insisted must be ob eyed. They, alongside others had no consciousness of sin whatsoever in transgressing law written in the mind and placed on the heart. That's just being honest. There was a huge gulf in christian experience between them and me. If people do not have conviction of where the standard of obedience lies, they will believe they can obey the law, so they will preach it

 

[saved by grace 101]

I agree. BUT, the law is personified in Christ. It is Christ Himself Who comes and abides in our hearts and minds. It is His righteousness, His holiness that we embrace as we die to self. All by faith in Him. Righteousness by faith. Obedience is the fruit of the relationship we have with Jesus, the law being fulfilled in Him.

The actual reality is not your words. I used to do bible quizzes for one woman and her children at your church. I mentioned, alongside one question believers have no righteousness of obeying the law, the woman looked at me with shock to her core. Its quite simple, if you tell people they MUST obey the TC the inference is heaven hinges on obeying them, in reality, righteousness then hinges on obeying the law Paul termed the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[saved by grace 101]

I agree. BUT, the law is personified in Christ. It is Christ Himself Who comes and abides in our hearts and minds. It is His righteousness, His holiness that we embrace as we die to self. All by faith in Him. Righteousness by faith. Obedience is the fruit of the relationship we have with Jesus, the law being fulfilled in Him.

Why even tell anyone they must obey the TC? It truly is meaningless under the new covenant. You agree, applicable law is written in the mind and placed on the heart of every believer. Speaking of personal experience, it is part of my dna in Christ. I live every day knowing how God wants me to live. I must know in my mind what has been placed in my mind. I must have heartfelt consciousness of sin if I 'wilfully' transgress as at were law in my heart, for as you would agree: Through the law we become conscious of sin. Its a new covenant now. I can testify that when I got saved it was a huge cut off in my life, never again would I be able to wilfully go against God without being struck by a conscience. I know my twelve times table, what would be the point in people continually telling me I must know or follow them?
When I was young, every time I heard the words ''You must obey the TC'' I felt huge guilt at the imperfections I had, it was just another reminder of what I already knew.
I suppose different people have different christian experiences. For myself, I know my imperfections, I know how I should live, for the law is in my most inwards parts, and you cannot escape it. I just wish when people tell you you must obey the law, they admit they themselves transgress it. No one told me that as a young teenager, it just left me feeling guilty, why could I not live as I assumed others were living when they preached law

 

[Lizbeth]

You have a wrong read on him.
A fundamentalist background, yes, but he related many experiences with the presence of God, which he now questions.
I would say he is/was born-again.

For me the real issue with deconstruction is they take it too far and end up as atheists.
I'm separating the wheat from the chaff of church life.


I can relate to them. I think they ask questions that most Christians would be fearful to ask.
I don't agree with everything they say, but they raise good points.

If he is born again then I can't help but wonder why is his testimony about what HE did ("dedicating his life to Christ") rather than what the LORD did in his life/heart? Or perhaps it's because of the fact that he has fallen away and is now in darkness and actually has forgotten and lost discernment and understanding of what the Lord did. Churches that are out of the way actually have a way of bringing the life of the Spirit to death in many instances....it's very tragic.

I'm afraid you are often throwing the baby out with the bathwater in your efforts to separate the wheat from the chaff. I don't care to follow people too far into the labyrinth of their own thoughts. God's thoughts and ways are higher than man's....we need to stay in the Spirit and not get dragged down into the carnal mind.

Genuine conversion (and growth) doesn't occur due to intellectual reasoning and logic of man....it is through the foolishness of preaching the truth....the washing of the water of the word on the wings of the Holy Spirit, which bypasses one's mere fleshly organ of brain matter and goes to the heart/spirit of the person. The fleshly mind is weak (and at enmity) when it comes to matters of the Spirit and has to try and catch up later,

Why should a Christian be afraid to ask anything of God? As long as we ask humbly knowing there is no fault with Him or His word. He tells us if we lack wisdom to ask Him for it and he will freely give to us without upbraiding. Can't tell you how many times the Lord has faithfully answered my asking and looking to Him for understanding of a thing. But understanding goes along with growth too and there is that we pay a price for it as we go along....."BUY the truth, but sell it not"....and Jesus said to count the cost.

 

[St. SteVen]

If he is born again then I can't help but wonder why is his testimony about what HE did ("dedicating his life to Christ") rather than what the LORD did in his life/heart? Or perhaps it's because of the fact that he has fallen away and is now in darkness and actually has forgotten and lost discernment and understanding of what the Lord did. Churches that are out of the way actually have a way of bringing the life of the Spirit to death in many instances....it's very tragic.

You are splitting hairs.
His experience with Christianity was genuine.

I'm afraid you are often throwing the baby out with the bathwater in your efforts to separate the wheat from the chaff. I don't care to follow people too far into the labyrinth of their own thoughts. God's thoughts and ways are higher than man's....we need to stay in the Spirit and not get dragged down into the carnal mind.

Christians are in fear to ask realistic questions about the faith. I am not.

Genuine conversion (and growth) doesn't occur due to intellectual reasoning and logic of man....it is through the foolishness of preaching the truth....the washing of the water of the word on the wings of the Holy Spirit, which bypasses one's mere fleshly organ of brain matter and goes to the heart/spirit of the person. The fleshly mind is weak (and at enmity) when it comes to matters of the Spirit and has to try and catch up later

So, you are saying there is no logical sense to our faith?
That our faith CANNOT stand up to a few questions?

Why should a Christian be afraid to ask anything of God? As long as we ask humbly knowing there is no fault with Him or His word. He tells us if we lack wisdom to ask Him for it and he will freely give to us without upbraiding. Can't tell you how many times the Lord has faithfully answered my asking and looking to Him for understanding of a thing. But understanding goes along with growth too and there is that we pay a price for it as we go along....."BUY the truth, but sell it not"....and Jesus said to count the cost.

Right. Why should a Christian be afraid to ask anything of God? Or anyone else for that matter.
Christians seem to want to keep any questions under wraps because of fear. Unbelief = hell

 

[Jack]

Christians are in fear to ask realistic questions about the faith. I am not.

You have proven that with all your attacks on the Bible! You still don't know why you're in a Christian forum. You don't know who your god is.

Who is your god STV? Don't have a clue? You have clearly rejected God of the Bible!

Quoting YOU: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible".

"I'm not convinced that God wanted us to have a Bible."

 

[Brakelite]

You must die to righteousness of obeying the law.

In the sense that we cannot gain righteousness through obedience to the law, then yes, I agree. Righteousness comes by faith. But what does righteousness look like in a practical sense...it looks like love, and love is the fulfilment of the law. Any obedience we may have does nothing to change God's mind toward us. Does nothing that adds to what Christ has already accomplished for us through His shed blood.
But the law doesn't go away. Obedience hasn't become an optional extra. The process by which obedience comes about is now different.
Blaming God's law for sin is by default blaming God. It's not God's fault. It's yours.

 

[saved by grace 101]

In the sense that we cannot gain righteousness through obedience to the law, then yes, I agree. Righteousness comes by faith. But what does righteousness look like in a practical sense...it looks like love, and love is the fulfilment of the law. Any obedience we may have does nothing to change God's mind toward us. Does nothing that adds to what Christ has already accomplished for us through His shed blood.
But the law doesn't go away. Obedience hasn't become an optional extra. The process by which obedience comes about is now different.
Blaming God's law for sin is by default blaming God. It's not God's fault. It's yours.

I didn't say I blamed God's law, neither did Paul. He said sin took occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in him. This confirms Paul's statement sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law.
Sometimes it is good not to just quote scripture but step back and consider it according to human nature


Again, can you stop thinking about what you fear or will thoughts of what you fear consume you? If a person is truly sincere they must obey the law to prove their righteousness they would be most concerned at not obeying it
I will repeat, there is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true TC, and the pristene level they are set at. I actually hold the TC in the highest of esteem, I will not down grade them at all.
It is not credible to state you must obey the TC and then immediatley water them down for convenience
It vis true, the peopled who relentlessly insist you must obey the TC are not holding them to the pristene level they are set at. One woman said to me ''What's so hard about obeying ten simple commands''
She obviously had only a shallow understanding of that law.
Another woman told me ''Lust is not covered by the TC'' She too had only a shallow understanding of them.
Paul's understanding was not shallow, he stated the TC were the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation(2Cor3:6-9)
And I repeat, Paul gave an example of why he could not be righteous by obeying the law/TC, he could not obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but he and God need know you break. All should hold those commands to the pristene level they are set at, as Paul showed us.
In truth, when you tell people they are not righteous by obeying the law, but the righteous will obey the law you are in effect placing them under righteousness of obeying the law. The very thing Paul's core message opposes

 

[Brakelite]

I didn't say I blamed God's law, neither did Paul. He said sin took occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in him. This confirms Paul's statement sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law.
Sometimes it is good not to just quote scripture but step back and consider it according to human nature


Again, can you stop thinking about what you fear or will thoughts of what you fear consume you? If a person is truly sincere they must obey the law to prove their righteousness they would be most concerned at not obeying it
I will repeat, there is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true TC, and the pristene level they are set at. I actually hold the TC in the highest of esteem, I will not down grade them at all.
It is not credible to state you must obey the TC and then immediatley water them down for convenience
It vis true, the peopled who relentlessly insist you must obey the TC are not holding them to the pristene level they are set at. One woman said to me ''What's so hard about obeying ten simple commands''
She obviously had only a shallow understanding of that law.
Another woman told me ''Lust is not covered by the TC'' She too had only a shallow understanding of them.
Paul's understanding was not shallow, he stated the TC were the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation(2Cor3:6-9)
And I repeat, Paul gave an example of why he could not be righteous by obeying the law/TC, he could not obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but he and God need know you break. All should hold those commands to the pristene level they are set at, as Paul showed us.
In truth, when you tell people they are not righteous by obeying the law, but the righteous will obey the law you are in effect placing them under righteousness of obeying the law. The very thing Paul's core message opposes

You are so focused on critiquing Seventh Day Adventism, you are deaf to what I'm saying. Read again my post on a previous page regarding 3 spiritual laws that govern life. It's basically a summary of the gospel as portrayed by Paul in Romans 8.

You question that we should find the need to teach obedience to God's commandments. You ask this because again, you aren't reading my posts. What do you see when you read Exodus 20? Commandments...or promises? If you see promises, then you will understand more fully the gospel.

 

[saved by grace 101]

You are so focused on critiquing Seventh Day Adventism, you are deaf to what I'm saying. Read again my post on a previous page regarding 3 spiritual laws that govern life. It's basically a summary of the gospel as portrayed by Paul in Romans 8.

You question that we should find the need to teach obedience to God's commandments. You ask this because again, you aren't reading my posts. What do you see when you read Exodus 20? Commandments...or promises? If you see promises, then you will understand more fully the gospel.

I have only mentioned Adventism once! I am discussing with you the TC, they do not solely concern your church.

I am discussing with you, your point that in order for a person to prove their righteousness they will obey the TC.

In other words, a person is not righteous by obeying the TC, but they can only be in a righteous state if they do obey them.
That law is an inflexible law, no wiggle room for error: Thou shalt NOT. Perfectly obey the TC or stand guilty before them. We all stand guilty before that law!

I have five decades of experience of this.

Firstly, people who continually state you must obey the TC do not relate those commands to what goes on, on the inside of man, not in my experience anyway.. So, they are watering them down. If they did not, they would not be so keen to keep reiterating you must obey the TC.

I can testify that people who do continually state you must obey the TC do not have the conviction of sin I and others do.

If a person must obey the TC in order to prove they have righteousness before God, it is the same as saying, according to the bible, you must obey the law which is the letter that kills, the ministration of death and condemnation in order for it to be shown you have righteousness before God.

In my experience, and I have decades of it, I have not met one person who kept stressing you must obey the TC who knew the pristine level they are set at.

I was raised in a church with that mindset. I could recite word for word Rom7:7-11 KJV as my testimony of my time in that church. Paul wrote half the books of the new testament, he can be relied upon concerning this subject. He was an expert in the law. So why would I have the exact same testimony as Paul concerning this subject? He knew the pristine level the law was set at, and I can only say, I appear to have more conviction of where it is set at than those who continually stress you must obey the TC.

Applicable law is within me, under the core terms of the new covenant. I cannot hide from that law or be in ignorance of it, it amazes so many can. As to which one of us better understands the gospel, where Paul's core message is concerned, I am convinced it is me

 

[saved by grace 101]

You are so focused on critiquing Seventh Day Adventism, you are deaf to what I'm saying. Read again my post on a previous page regarding 3 spiritual laws that govern life. It's basically a summary of the gospel as portrayed by Paul in Romans 8.

You question that we should find the need to teach obedience to God's commandments. You ask this because again, you aren't reading my posts. What do you see when you read Exodus 20? Commandments...or promises? If you see promises, then you will understand more fully the gospel.

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so we serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code Rom7:6

According to Paul, we either follow after the spirit or the law, it cannot be both.

These who keep insisting you must obey the TC, made the wrong choice, they backed the wrong horse as it were.

Every born again believer instinctively knows in their mind God does not want them to steal, commit adultery, murder, lie, covet, take the Lord’s name in vain, and believers would say in their hearts(the flesh is another matter) they do not want to do those things. The law is within believers now, those who stress the words ‘’TC’’ still look to an external law engraved in stone.

The Holy Spirit is the convictor of sin, and so, those who make the wrong choice are able to transgress the laws they insist must be obeyed without any apparent consciousness of sin in doing so, neither do they understand the pristine level those laws are set at.

Those who keep stressing the words ‘’TC’’ have an old covenant mindset, but then, that covenant could be understood without being guided into truth by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

When I went to that church on a Saturday I would sit in a circle before the meeting having bible study. As I sat there, one overwhelming thought hit me. Where is the Holy Spirit? Nice people, I so felt for them.

You don’t accept the plain words of Paul, you would if you had heartfelt conviction of where the pristine level of the law/TC is set at:

The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

Sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law

Sin took occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in Saul

Only the Holy Spirit can guide us into truth and give us understanding of it. He is, the true dividing line in Christendom.

 

[saved by grace 101]

You are so focused on critiquing Seventh Day Adventism, you are deaf to what I'm saying. Read again my post on a previous page regarding 3 spiritual laws that govern life. It's basically a summary of the gospel as portrayed by Paul in Romans 8.

You question that we should find the need to teach obedience to God's commandments. You ask this because again, you aren't reading my posts. What do you see when you read Exodus 20? Commandments...or promises? If you see promises, then you will understand more fully the gospel.

BTW

'''Three laws. The law of God which is holy, just, and good.(correct, concerning what is written in that law)
The law of sin which binds the carnal man making it impossible to obey the law of God.(Rom7-14-24)
The law of the Spirit of life which through the grace and power of God makes it possible for the reborn child of God to obey the law of God, if he relies on and walks after the Spirit and not after the flesh.''''

1) What is written in the law is, holy, just and good. However, sin takes occasion of what is holy just and good to arouse sin in you, if(if) you life under the law

2) Rom7:14-24 concerns Saul the Pharisee
3)To generally live as God desires you to live through the Spirit, but you will always transgress the letter of the law, for that letter kills(2Cor3:6)
But your last law depends on something, knowing you have righteousness before God apart from obeying the law. This is where you stumble. It is impossible, in reality, for anyone to believe they have righteousness apart from obeying the law, if they believe they can only be in a saved state if they obey the TC. What you really mean is, you must obey a watered down version of those commands, but that doesn't exist in the bible. For you yourself, alongside everyone else transgress the moral law of God.
Romans 7:14-24 concerns someone living under the law/righteousness of obeying the law, for sin was their master and they were sins slave:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law/righteousness of obeying the law, but under grace, righteousness of faith in Christ Rom6:14
Your third law, hinges on knowing that!!!

 

[Brakelite]

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so we serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code Rom7:6

According to Paul, we either follow after the spirit or the law, it cannot be both.

These who keep insisting you must obey the TC, made the wrong choice, they backed the wrong horse as it were.

Every born again believer instinctively knows in their mind God does not want them to steal, commit adultery, murder, lie, covet, take the Lord’s name in vain, and believers would say in their hearts(the flesh is another matter) they do not want to do those things. The law is within believers now, those who stress the words ‘’TC’’ still look to an external law engraved in stone.

The Holy Spirit is the convictor of sin, and so, those who make the wrong choice are able to transgress the laws they insist must be obeyed without any apparent consciousness of sin in doing so, neither do they understand the pristine level those laws are set at.

Those who keep stressing the words ‘’TC’’ have an old covenant mindset, but then, that covenant could be understood without being guided into truth by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

When I went to that church on a Saturday I would sit in a circle before the meeting having bible study. As I sat there, one overwhelming thought hit me. Where is the Holy Spirit? Nice people, I so felt for them.

You don’t accept the plain words of Paul, you would if you had heartfelt conviction of where the pristine level of the law/TC is set at:

The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

Sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law

Sin took occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in Saul

Only the Holy Spirit can guide us into truth and give us understanding of it. He is, the true dividing line in Christendom.

First, nowhere did I suggest that I had to obey all the commandments in order to "prove" I am righteous. I would like a reference to my post stating that.
Second, I agree with you that the commandments as Paul said, are holy.just, and good. They are after all, a transcript of the character of God. A perfect 10.
Third, yes, I have stated repeatedly that obedience to all of God's commandments are obligatory. Of course they are mandatory. God is God after all, and He is to be obeyed in all things.
Now we get to the nitty-gritty. Listen carefully. I have said this before, I will say it again as clear as I can. While obedience is essential, mandatory, and obligatory in every sense, we are NOT to rush out and enrol in self- improvement courses... mind strengthening courses... self discipline exercises... IT ISN'T ABOUT OUR EFFORT. AND EVEN ISRAEL MADE THE SAME MISTAKE WHEN THEY DECLARED AT THE BOTTOM OF SINAI... ALL THAT THE LORD HAS SAID, WE WILL DO.
As I said previously. It isn't the ten commandments written on our hearts in the form of letters and words. It is the Spirit of Christ... Christ Himself who abides within, He being the embodiment of the law, and the prefect expression of that law THROUGH HIS SELF- SACRIFICING LOVE ON CALVARY. Love, by the Spirit and power of God working in our lives, fulfills the law. In all its facets.

So if Christ is the embodiment of the law, and the law is love, and the law and love is the righteousness of Christ, then we receive that righteousness by receiving Christ. Righteousness comes to us by faith. Obedience is the fruit of having Christ in the life. What is impossible for man to accomplish on his own and in his own strength, becomes possible as Christ, through His abiding Spirit within, empowers the child of God to follow after righteousness and bear fruit to the glory of God.

 

[saved by grace 101]

First, nowhere did I suggest that I had to obey all the commandments in order to "prove" I am righteous. I would like a reference to my post stating that.
Second, I agree with you that the commandments as Paul said, are holy.just, and good. They are after all, a transcript of the character of God. A perfect 10.
Third, yes, I have stated repeatedly that obedience to all of God's commandments are obligatory. Of course they are mandatory. God is God after all, and He is to be obeyed in all things.
Now we get to the nitty-gritty. Listen carefully. I have said this before, I will say it again as clear as I can. While obedience is essential, mandatory, and obligatory in every sense, we are NOT to rush out and enrol in self- improvement courses... mind strengthening courses... self discipline exercises... IT ISN'T ABOUT OUR EFFORT. AND EVEN ISRAEL MADE THE SAME MISTAKE WHEN THEY DECLARED AT THE BOTTOM OF SINAI... ALL THAT THE LORD HAS SAID, WE WILL DO.
As I said previously. It isn't the ten commandments written on our hearts in the form of letters and words. It is the Spirit of Christ... Christ Himself who abides within, He being the embodiment of the law, and the prefect expression of that law THROUGH HIS SELF- SACRIFICING LOVE ON CALVARY. Love, by the Spirit and power of God working in our lives, fulfills the law. In all its facets.

So if Christ is the embodiment of the law, and the law is love, and the law and love is the righteousness of Christ, then we receive that righteousness by receiving Christ. Righteousness comes to us by faith. Obedience is the fruit of having Christ in the life. What is impossible for man to accomplish on his own and in his own strength, becomes possible as Christ, through His abiding Spirit within, empowers the child of God to follow after righteousness and bear fruit to the glory of God.

So obedience to the TC are mandatory. If a person is in a saved state, this is shown to be so by obedience to the TC. However, you much transgress the letter of those commands. Does that sound right to you? And when you tell people obedience to the TC is mandatory, why do you not add to that you yourself much transgress the letter of them? Do you want to crush people with demands you yourself much fail to keep?

 

[Brakelite]

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so we serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code Rom7:6

According to Paul, we either follow after the spirit or the law, it cannot be both.

These who keep insisting you must obey the TC, made the wrong choice, they backed the wrong horse as it were.

Every born again believer instinctively knows in their mind God does not want them to steal, commit adultery, murder, lie, covet, take the Lord’s name in vain, and believers would say in their hearts(the flesh is another matter) they do not want to do those things. The law is within believers now, those who stress the words ‘’TC’’ still look to an external law engraved in stone.

The Holy Spirit is the convictor of sin, and so, those who make the wrong choice are able to transgress the laws they insist must be obeyed without any apparent consciousness of sin in doing so, neither do they understand the pristine level those laws are set at.

Those who keep stressing the words ‘’TC’’ have an old covenant mindset, but then, that covenant could be understood without being guided into truth by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

When I went to that church on a Saturday I would sit in a circle before the meeting having bible study. As I sat there, one overwhelming thought hit me. Where is the Holy Spirit? Nice people, I so felt for them.

You don’t accept the plain words of Paul, you would if you had heartfelt conviction of where the pristine level of the law/TC is set at:

The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

Sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law

Sin took occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in Saul

Only the Holy Spirit can guide us into truth and give us understanding of it. He is, the true dividing line in Christendom.

Why are you so determined to blame the law for your sin? All I read from you is a deflection of responsibility. You and I are sinners, and we were sinners long before the law confirmed it. You are a sinner because you sin. And you sin because you inherited a carnal nature from Adam. Which is why you need to be born again before you can have any hope of overcoming. But first, you need to accept responsibility for your sin. Stop blaming God.

 

[saved by grace 101]

First, nowhere did I suggest that I had to obey all the commandments in order to "prove" I am righteous. I would like a reference to my post stating that.
Second, I agree with you that the commandments as Paul said, are holy.just, and good. They are after all, a transcript of the character of God. A perfect 10.
Third, yes, I have stated repeatedly that obedience to all of God's commandments are obligatory. Of course they are mandatory. God is God after all, and He is to be obeyed in all things.
Now we get to the nitty-gritty. Listen carefully. I have said this before, I will say it again as clear as I can. While obedience is essential, mandatory, and obligatory in every sense, we are NOT to rush out and enrol in self- improvement courses... mind strengthening courses... self discipline exercises... IT ISN'T ABOUT OUR EFFORT. AND EVEN ISRAEL MADE THE SAME MISTAKE WHEN THEY DECLARED AT THE BOTTOM OF SINAI... ALL THAT THE LORD HAS SAID, WE WILL DO.
As I said previously. It isn't the ten commandments written on our hearts in the form of letters and words. It is the Spirit of Christ... Christ Himself who abides within, He being the embodiment of the law, and the prefect expression of that law THROUGH HIS SELF- SACRIFICING LOVE ON CALVARY. Love, by the Spirit and power of God working in our lives, fulfills the law. In all its facets.

So if Christ is the embodiment of the law, and the law is love, and the law and love is the righteousness of Christ, then we receive that righteousness by receiving Christ. Righteousness comes to us by faith. Obedience is the fruit of having Christ in the life. What is impossible for man to accomplish on his own and in his own strength, becomes possible as Christ, through His abiding Spirit within, empowers the child of God to follow after righteousness and bear fruit to the glory of God.

Paul says we die to the law in order to bear fruit for God. How have you died to the law?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Why are you so determined to blame the law for your sin? All I read from you is a deflection of responsibility. You and I are sinners, and we were sinners long before the law confirmed it. You are a sinner because you sin. And you sin because you inherited a carnal nature from Adam. Which is why you need to be born again before you can have any hope of overcoming. But first, you need to accept responsibility for your sin. Stop blaming God.

I never blamed God, please stop bearing false witness about me. I simply quoted what Paul wrote word for word. You interpret that as blaming God for my sin. So I suppose you must believe Paul felt the same