Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?

[Hiddenthings]

Another Lion will be sent...

Revelation 5:5 “And one of the elders said to me, ‘Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.’

 

[Hiddenthings]

Peace and comfort often appeal to us in subtle and enticing ways, yet indulgence apart from obedience becomes sin. As Scripture warns, “The one who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever does not proceed from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). Similarly, the man of God in 1 Kings 13 was commanded NOT to eat or drink during his journey, and disobedience to that command led to his death (1 Kgs 13:8–24), showing that even seemingly ordinary acts can carry profound spiritual consequences when faith and obedience are neglected.

 

[Brakelite]

Agreed.


A&E had no intention of disobeying. They had to be deceived.

Adam wasn't deceived. He went into the taste test with eyes wide open. Problem though, his eyes were wide open toward Eve, and didn't trust God to fix things should he disobey.

 

[Brakelite]

Something similar happened to the prophet who turned back and ate in Bethel against the Lord's command in 1 Kings 13. Except the old prophet did not decieve him with malicious intent. Nevertheless the young prophet died, the Lord sent a lion to kill him.

That's a ferocious lesson. We think that God is so kind and patient that there are no ramifications for unrepentant disobedience. But the wages of sin is still death, regardless our Christian profession. Even for prophets.

 

[Brakelite]

Yahweh intervened decisively to strip sin of its false solemnity.

That is an interesting and deeply thoughtful expression. The exposing of false worship in the last days, in the face of immense persecution and the hatred of all nations, will encapsulate all last days scenarios. Revelation 12,13 and 14 explode with what you term, false solemnity.

 

[Beebster]

Where did Jesus go for three days before His resurrection?

Hello St. Steven

He was in the garden, he was being crucified and then he was in a tomb.
Christ was dead from Friday Evening to Sunday Morning.
He was not dead for three days.

Peace.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Adam wasn't deceived. He went into the taste test with eyes wide open.

You proceed to explain to me the deception

Problem though, his eyes were wide open toward Eve, and didn't trust God to fix things should he disobey.

 

[St. SteVen]

Hello St. Steven

He was in the garden, he was being crucified and then he was in a tomb.
Christ was dead from Friday Evening to Sunday Morning.
He was not dead for three days.

He said he would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Where is that? He was laid in an above ground tomb.
This was to be a sign for the unbelievers.
Locally, the graves opened and people came forth.

Matthew 12:40 NIV
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish,
so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[St. SteVen]

Adam wasn't deceived. He went into the taste test with eyes wide open. Problem though, his eyes were wide open toward Eve, and didn't trust God to fix things should he disobey.

It seems that he painted himself into a corner by telling Eve not to touch.

--- PARODY ---

Serpent: Did God really say... ?
Eve: He said don't eat and don't touch.
Adam: Oops, my bad, I said don't touch.
Eve: What?! God didn't say that? !!!
Adam: No, I added that because I know you
like to touch things without thinking.
Eve: So, you don't trust me? !!!
Adam: I'm looking out for our best interests. My job.
Eve: I see.
Serpent: Are you going to eat, or not? !!!
Eve: Let me check with the boss. - LOL
Adam: Scram serpent!
Serpent: Hiss... (walks away dejected)
Eve: Hey, let's check out that other tree.
Adam: Good idea!

Indeed.

 

[Beebster]

He said he would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Where is that? He was laid in an above ground tomb.
This was to be a sign for the unbelievers.
Locally, the graves opened and people came forth.

Matthew 12:40 NIV
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish,
so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Yes, they asked for a sign and he told them what the sign would be, but he rarely spoke plainly.

If we take Mat 12:40 literally then the scriptures contradict. Christ could not have been dead and buried for three days and three nights, yet rise on the third day.

For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. (Mark 9:31)

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, they asked for a sign and he told them what the sign would be, but he rarely spoke plainly.

If we take Mat 12:40 literally then the scriptures contradict. Christ could not have been dead and buried for three days and three nights, yet rise on the third day.

For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. (Mark 9:31)

There is more scriptural support for where He went and what He was doing.

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.” 9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

 

[St. SteVen]

Christ could not have been dead and buried for three days and three nights, yet rise on the third day.

Christ was already dead when they took Him down from the cross.
Does that fit in your timeline?

 

[Beebster]

Christ was already dead when they took Him down from the cross.
Does that fit in your timeline?

Yes.
Crucified the first day.
At rest the second day.
Resurrected in the morning on the third day.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes.
Crucified the first day.
At rest the second day.
Resurrected in the morning on the third day.

Does that account for time zones in the realm of the dead?

 

[Beebster]

Does that account for time zones in the realm of the dead?

Yeah but not day light savings time?

 

[Brakelite]

I don't agree with that.
They don't call it the afterlife for nothing.
I understand that your religion takes a different position and I respect that.
What do you make of this?

Luke 20:38 NIV
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”

They call it afterlife? Have you ever heard of biblical first mention? Genesis sets the template for the rest of scripture. Creation sets the template for the nature of man.
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
If one's understanding of the nature of man...e.g. mortality/immortality... is based on scriptures later than Genesis and come to a differ conclusion than what Genesis clearly teaches, then the reader must return to Genesis for truth. When God said to Adam that he would die if he disobeyed, and Satan said you won't die... the Bible says man is mortal and the church says man lives forever in heaven or hell... the Bible compares death to sleep and the church says death is merely separation... who are we to believe?

 

[St. SteVen]

They call it afterlife? Have you ever heard of biblical first mention? Genesis sets the template for the rest of scripture. Creation sets the template for the nature of man.
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ”
Genesis 2:7 KJV

The narrative tells us that is where the first man came from, but no one after that.

If one's understanding of the nature of man...e.g. mortality/immortality... is based on scriptures later than Genesis and come to a differ conclusion than what Genesis clearly teaches, then the reader must return to Genesis for truth. When God said to Adam that he would die if he disobeyed, and Satan said you won't die... the Bible says man is mortal and the church says man lives forever in heaven or hell... the Bible compares death to sleep and the church says death is merely separation... who are we to believe?

Did they die when they ate thereof? Or was the serpent correct?
A&E were banned from the garden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever.
Seems they were already mortal. What if they would have eaten of the Tree of Life first?

 

[Brakelite]

The narrative tells us that is where the first man came from, but no one after that.


Did they die when they ate thereof? Or was the serpent correct?
A&E were banned from the garden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever.
Seems they were already mortal. What if they would have eaten of the Tree of Life first?

The fact that they did not eat of the tree of life after they sinned shows there is no such thing as an immortal sinner. Adam and Eve did die. That they didn't die that very day is due to the grace of God giving them an opportunity to repent. Yet they did die spiritually. No longer could they be in the presence of God. They needed an intermediary.

 

[St. SteVen]

The fact that they did not eat of the tree of life after they sinned shows there is no such thing as an immortal sinner.

Maybe immortal is the wrong word for life after physical death.

Adam and Eve did die. That they didn't die that very day is due to the grace of God giving them an opportunity to repent.

What would be the outcome of repentance for them?

Yet they did die spiritually.

Agree. I think that is the death they died in the day that they ate thereof.

No longer could they be in the presence of God. They needed an intermediary.

They were out of the garden. Not sure about out of God's presence.
Cain and Abel seemed to have a relationship with God.
How did that come about? Good parenting?

 

[Jack]

We all have the right to ask questions. God Himself invites us to... come, let us reason together. There is nothing wrong about wanting to understand better Who God is, and what He is like. Jesus condemned nobody for having doubts.

There's a HUGE difference between asking questions and attacking the Bible like the Devil.