Proper Bible Interpretation of 2 Peter 3:8-10

[Davy]

In 2 Peter 3:8-10, Apostle Peter points to Christ's future "thousand years" Millennial reign of Revelation 20, showing that future "thousand years" period will be a LITERAL period of Christ's reign over all nations on earth. Peter also explains why... God is allowing that future literal "thousand years" period of literal reign by Jesus on earth over all nations that begins at His future 2nd coming.

2 Peter 3:8-10
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

That above statement by Peter is simple. To God a 'day' is like a thousand years. What 'day' might Peter be pointing to there? Keep reading to find out...

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Mind you, that thousand years pointer from the previous verse is still in application here in this next verse. Peter is pointing to the future reign by Lord Jesus on earth with His elect over the unsaved nations. The Old Testament Scriptures point to it with Christ on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, so Peter knew about it, and what that future reign over the unsaved is for.

It is because in that future time, after Jesus has returned to this earth to take reign, God does not wish for any soul to perish, but to come to repentance and be saved. In that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect over the unsaved nations, Satan will be locked in his pit prison. He won't be allowed to deceive the nations in that time. The unsaved nations will then have their first opportunity to actually hear and believe The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear, and be saved. Then Satan will be loosed after that "thousand years" to test those.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

To get details of what that future "day of the Lord" will involve, one must... study the Old Testament prophets, because that is where Apostle Peter got that from. That is the 'day' Peter was pointing to in verse 8 that one 'day' to God is like a thousand years. The "day of the Lord" simply begins... on the day of Christ's future return to this earth. And that is when Jesus' future reign over the unsaved nations begins, and lasts for one thousand years, as written in Revelation 20. His future reign goes past that thousand years of course, but the unbelievers do not, and that's the actual point of that literal period, those who perish at the end of it.

So do not allow Satan's host who push doctrines of men take the above Bible understanding away from you. Satan and his children of darkness don't like any ideas about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the unsaved starting at His future return to earth.

Satan's host don't even like the idea of Lord Jesus' future RETURN TO THIS EARTH, to Jerusalem on earth, where He will reign from, as written in God's Word (Psalms 2; Zechariah 14). Satan and his children want this earth for themselves. That is why Satan even creates doctrines of men that moves Christ's elect Church off this earth, when God's Word shows we in Christ do NOT rapture to Heaven, but to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem on earth, WITH Lord Jesus, when His feet descend to earth and touch down at that Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from.

 

[Earburner]

In 2 Peter 3:8-10, Apostle Peter points to Christ's future "thousand years" Millennial reign of Revelation 20, showing that future "thousand years" period will be a LITERAL period of Christ's reign over all nations on earth. Peter also explains why... God is allowing that future literal "thousand years" period of literal reign by Jesus on earth over all nations that begins at His future 2nd coming.

2 Peter 3:8-10
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

That above statement by Peter is simple. To God a 'day' is like a thousand years. What 'day' might Peter be pointing to there? Keep reading to find out...

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Mind you, that thousand years pointer from the previous verse is still in application here in this next verse. Peter is pointing to the future reign by Lord Jesus on earth with His elect over the unsaved nations. The Old Testament Scriptures point to it with Christ on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, so Peter knew about it, and what that future reign over the unsaved is for.

It is because in that future time, after Jesus has returned to this earth to take reign, God does not wish for any soul to perish, but to come to repentance and be saved. In that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect over the unsaved nations, Satan will be locked in his pit prison. He won't be allowed to deceive the nations in that time. The unsaved nations will then have their first opportunity to actually hear and believe The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear, and be saved. Then Satan will be loosed after that "thousand years" to test those.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

To get details of what that future "day of the Lord" will involve, one must... study the Old Testament prophets, because that is where Apostle Peter got that from. That is the 'day' Peter was pointing to in verse 8 that one 'day' to God is like a thousand years. The "day of the Lord" simply begins... on the day of Christ's future return to this earth. And that is when Jesus' future reign over the unsaved nations begins, and lasts for one thousand years, as written in Revelation 20. His future reign goes past that thousand years of course, but the unbelievers do not, and that's the actual point of that literal period, those who perish at the end of it.

So do not allow Satan's host who push doctrines of men take the above Bible understanding away from you. Satan and his children of darkness don't like any ideas about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the unsaved starting at His future return to earth.

Satan's host don't even like the idea of Lord Jesus' future RETURN TO THIS EARTH, to Jerusalem on earth, where He will reign from, as written in God's Word (Psalms 2; Zechariah 14). Satan and his children want this earth for themselves. That is why Satan even creates doctrines of men that moves Christ's elect Church off this earth, when God's Word shows we in Christ do NOT rapture to Heaven, but to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem on earth, WITH Lord Jesus, when His feet descend to earth and touch down at that Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from.

If you could understand Dan. 9:24-27 by the teaching of the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be revealing your ignorance about the 70th week and Who FULFILLED it. But since you don't, I can see why you are believing "the wisdom of men" in Church- ianity.

 

[Davy]

If you could understand Dan. 9:24-27 by the teaching of the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be revealing your ignorance about the 70th week and Who FULFILLED it. But since you don't, I can see why you are believing "the wisdom of men" in Church- ianity.

That statement only shows how Biblically illiterate you really are. You only pointed your finger at yourself.

 

[Davy]

If you could understand Dan. 9:24-27 by the teaching of the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be revealing your ignorance about the 70th week and Who FULFILLED it. But since you don't, I can see why you are believing "the wisdom of men" in Church- ianity.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:

One may wonder why I am not soft with these type folks above like Earburner who love the doctrines of men more than the written Word of God. All they can do is make false statements disguised as truth from Scripture without... actually proving what they say from Bible Scripture evidence. That above false statement by Earburner about Daniel 9:24-27 is one such case.

What he says above is EASY... to disprove IF one sticks with the actual written Bible Scripture. Earburner is claiming the final symbolic 70th week was already fulfilled, but notice he was careful to not come out and say Lord Jesus is Who fulfilled it, though that is the LIE he has been taught and believes, and promotes on Christian forums like this one. That also just so happens to be a popular belief by a couple of major 'so-called' Christian denominations which are strongly influenced by Jewish traditions from Judaism.


I have already responded to that above falsehood on this Forum, but here goes again for those interested...

Dan 9:24-27
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

That "Seventy weeks" prophecy given Daniel is 'specifically' about Daniel's people and the city of JERUSALEM. So there's no scooting to their false theories about Rome and a pope on this. Because those events mentioned are about the Jews in Jerusalem, that is who those things MUST be applied to as being fulfilled. So ask... yourself, have all the Jews in today's Jerusalem fulfilled these things?...

1. "to finish the transgression" -- the Book of Daniel specifically speaks of a transgresson of desolation of the temple with an idol. That is what the "abomination of desolation" idea of Daniel 11:31 is about. And a historical blueprint back in 165 B.C. by Antiochus Epiphanes partially fulfilled it. Yet about 200 years after Antiochus, Lord Jesus proclaimed that "abomination of desolation" will happen at the end of this world for the time of "great tribulation" (See Matthew 24 or Mark 13). Ask yourself then, has that transgression been finished yet today? No, it hasn't even happened yet today, because it is specifically timed to happen during the coming "great tribulation" which is still future to us.

2. "and to make an end of sins" -- either way you look at it, for the majority of Jews in today's Jerusalem, an end of sins definitely has NOT yet happened. The majority of Jews in today's Jerusalem still... reject Jesus of Nazareth as God's Promised Savior. Only those who believe on Jesus Christ have their sins remitted. And when one applies this to the city of Jerusalem and the majority of Jews there today, it is ludicrous to even think this has been fulfilled there.

3. "and to make reconciliation for iniquity" -- this event is the same as above, with believing on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ and His death and resurrection for the remission of sins by FAITH. The majority in today's Jerusalem still have not accepted that FAITH. So iniquity for the majority in today's Jerusalem is still... yet to be reconciled.

4. "and to bring in everlasting righteousness" -- if you've studied the Old Testament prophets like we are also to do as believers on Jesus Christ, then this is easy. It will only... happen when Lord Jesus returns... back to this earth, and is reigning as KING of kings, and LORD of lords directly from Jerusalem on earth. Anything else claimed to replace that future event is just wishful thinking by those against Christ Jesus.

5. "and to seal up the vision and the prophecy" -- the Book of Daniel contains prophecy for the END of this world. That's why Lord Jesus quoted it in His Olivet discourse SIGNS about the END leading up to His future return. So of course this has NOT been fulfilled yet for Jerusalem, nor the Jews.

6. "and to anoint the most Holy" -- this event is about the future cleansing of Jerusalem by Christ at His coming return, and His building of the Ezekiel temple for His Millennial reign. This doesn't even begin until Jesus literally, physically, returns to this earth, as written in God's Word. So anyone claiming this too has been fulfilled are simply mad.


ALL... of the above events are involving the 70 weeks prophecy given Daniel in that Daniel 9 chapter. And they MUST be applied to Daniel's people and Jerusalem, NOT TO CHRIST'S CHURCH. So if you hear some preacher trying to explain those 70 week events as being about the Christian Church, know they are either totally deceived as to what that prophecy is about, or they do know and are trying to deceive YOU.

Now then, just based on those individual prophecies CONTAINED WITHIN THE 70 WEEKS having yet to be fulfilled today by Jerusalem and the Jews is Biblical proof enough that the Daniel 9:27 verse about the final symbolic "one week" (70th week) still has yet to be fulfilled.

What is even more... telling about those who claim the 70th week was fulfilled by Lord Jesus, is how that Daniel 9:27 prophecy for the final "one week" (70th) involves the placing of the "abomination of desolation" idol which Lord Jesus Himself WARNED US ABOUT that is to happen at the END of this world! Only a child of the devil, or one so totally deceived and doesn't care what God's written Word actually says would claim Jesus fulfilled that 70th week with the setting up of an "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem! That is why I won't given those mockers any quarter, as they are apostates away from Christ, and need to repent to Jesus.

 

[TribulationSigns]

In 2 Peter 3:8-10, Apostle Peter points to Christ's future "thousand years" Millennial reign of Revelation 20, showing that future "thousand years" period will be a LITERAL period of Christ's reign over all nations on earth. Peter also explains why... God is allowing that future literal "thousand years" period of literal reign by Jesus on earth over all nations that begins at His future 2nd coming.

Ahem...

We don't spiritualize Scripture, God does. Anyone who reads Scripture seriously should know that. Nor do we turn concrete prophecies into metaphors. What we do is read God's metaphors and refuse to turn them into Jewish fables, visions of earthly reigns, or private interpretations. God says what He says, and He doesn't say what He doesn't say. That's a sound methodology of dealing with God's word. The only real slippery slope is in deleting where God says All Israel is not Israel, or we (the church) who were once outside the commonwealth of Israel, are now in it and made one with the Jews, or where God says He is Not a Jew who is one outwardly/physically, but who is one inwardly, and creating doctrines that effectively deny all that God plainly says. Now THAT... is what I call Diminishes Scripture's Authority, undermines its integrity, and reinterpretes God's Words based on contemporary ideologies and traditional, worldly, philosophical trends. Those are the true critical errors of unsound hermeneutics.

Matthew 21:18-20

• "Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
• And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
• And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!"

Spiritualizing Scripture Diminishes Its Authority? No, Scripture is ALREADY Spiritualized, and Christians will never know what it really means until they stop attempting to put God in a restrictive box where He is not sovereign to allegoricalize, speak through dark sayings, use parables, insert cryptic imagery, or say one day is as 1000 years, like you do. But go and learn who the fig tree represents here and understand why no fruit will ever grow on it again. It's because there is a New Covenant made with Israel, and it's not based on physical lands, works, kingdoms, or gold-plated thrones in physical Jerusalem. It's a spiritual kingdom of resurrected Saints who now live and reign with Christ. Not the Jews only, but the Romans, Greeks, and Ethiopians also. All incorporated into the Israel of God.

 

[ScottA]

In 2 Peter 3:8-10, Apostle Peter points to Christ's future "thousand years" Millennial reign of Revelation 20, showing that future "thousand years" period will be a LITERAL period of Christ's reign over all nations on earth. Peter also explains why... God is allowing that future literal "thousand years" period of literal reign by Jesus on earth over all nations that begins at His future 2nd coming.

2 Peter 3:8-10
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

That above statement by Peter is simple. To God a 'day' is like a thousand years. What 'day' might Peter be pointing to there? Keep reading to find out...

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Mind you, that thousand years pointer from the previous verse is still in application here in this next verse. Peter is pointing to the future reign by Lord Jesus on earth with His elect over the unsaved nations. The Old Testament Scriptures point to it with Christ on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, so Peter knew about it, and what that future reign over the unsaved is for.

It is because in that future time, after Jesus has returned to this earth to take reign, God does not wish for any soul to perish, but to come to repentance and be saved. In that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect over the unsaved nations, Satan will be locked in his pit prison. He won't be allowed to deceive the nations in that time. The unsaved nations will then have their first opportunity to actually hear and believe The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear, and be saved. Then Satan will be loosed after that "thousand years" to test those.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

To get details of what that future "day of the Lord" will involve, one must... study the Old Testament prophets, because that is where Apostle Peter got that from. That is the 'day' Peter was pointing to in verse 8 that one 'day' to God is like a thousand years. The "day of the Lord" simply begins... on the day of Christ's future return to this earth. And that is when Jesus' future reign over the unsaved nations begins, and lasts for one thousand years, as written in Revelation 20. His future reign goes past that thousand years of course, but the unbelievers do not, and that's the actual point of that literal period, those who perish at the end of it.

So do not allow Satan's host who push doctrines of men take the above Bible understanding away from you. Satan and his children of darkness don't like any ideas about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the unsaved starting at His future return to earth.

Satan's host don't even like the idea of Lord Jesus' future RETURN TO THIS EARTH, to Jerusalem on earth, where He will reign from, as written in God's Word (Psalms 2; Zechariah 14). Satan and his children want this earth for themselves. That is why Satan even creates doctrines of men that moves Christ's elect Church off this earth, when God's Word shows we in Christ do NOT rapture to Heaven, but to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem on earth, WITH Lord Jesus, when His feet descend to earth and touch down at that Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from.

It only takes ONE VERSE to prove you wrong: Revelation 1:1.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:

One may wonder why I am not soft with these type folks above like Earburner who love the doctrines of men more than the written Word of God. All they can do is make false statements disguised as truth from Scripture without... actually proving what they say from Bible Scripture evidence. That above false statement by Earburner about Daniel 9:24-27 is one such case.

What he says above is EASY... to disprove IF one sticks with the actual written Bible Scripture. Earburner is claiming the final symbolic 70th week was already fulfilled, but notice he was careful to not come out and say Lord Jesus is Who fulfilled it, though that is the LIE he has been taught and believes, and promotes on Christian forums like this one. That also just so happens to be a popular belief by a couple of major 'so-called' Christian denominations which are strongly influenced by Jewish traditions from Judaism.

Brethren in Christ Jesus, allow me to show you the proper understanding of the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24-27 that the false teacher Davy here doesn't understand.

First, let's start with Daniel 9:24.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Here is my understanding of the fulfillment of each of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24. I will list the scriptures that I believe refer to the fulfillment of each of them.

1. To Finish Transgression

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Hebrews 9:15 That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace".
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

2. To Put an End to Sin

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.

2 Cor 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

3. To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven


4. To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


5. To Seal Up the Vision and Prophecy

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matt 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.


6. To Anoint The Most Holy

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel.

Only Jesus could fulfill those things. Without His death and resurrection, none of those things could be fulfilled. So, if your interpretation of the 70 week prophecy does not have Him being cut off (crucified) within the 70th week, it is a false doctrine as His death is crucial to fulfilling the prophecy. He was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week (Daniel 9:26) and that placed the timing of His death within the 70th week. What Daniel 9:27 is about is that Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70th week which caused the old covenant animals sacrifices and offerings to become obsolete and that established the new covenant. The remaining confirmation of the new covenant in the 70th week was accomplished by the preaching of the gospel of Christ in Israel before it went out to the Gentiles. The consummation mentioned in Daniel 9:27 is related to the Jews having rejected Christ and having Him crucified and that consummation occurred in 70 AD when the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary were destroyed, as prophesied in Daniel 9:26.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In 2 Peter 3:8-10, Apostle Peter points to Christ's future "thousand years" Millennial reign of Revelation 20, showing that future "thousand years" period will be a LITERAL period of Christ's reign over all nations on earth. Peter also explains why... God is allowing that future literal "thousand years" period of literal reign by Jesus on earth over all nations that begins at His future 2nd coming.

2 Peter 3:8-10
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

That above statement by Peter is simple. To God a 'day' is like a thousand years. What 'day' might Peter be pointing to there? Keep reading to find out...

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Mind you, that thousand years pointer from the previous verse is still in application here in this next verse. Peter is pointing to the future reign by Lord Jesus on earth with His elect over the unsaved nations. The Old Testament Scriptures point to it with Christ on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, so Peter knew about it, and what that future reign over the unsaved is for.

It is because in that future time, after Jesus has returned to this earth to take reign, God does not wish for any soul to perish, but to come to repentance and be saved. In that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect over the unsaved nations, Satan will be locked in his pit prison. He won't be allowed to deceive the nations in that time. The unsaved nations will then have their first opportunity to actually hear and believe The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear, and be saved. Then Satan will be loosed after that "thousand years" to test those.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

To get details of what that future "day of the Lord" will involve, one must... study the Old Testament prophets, because that is where Apostle Peter got that from. That is the 'day' Peter was pointing to in verse 8 that one 'day' to God is like a thousand years. The "day of the Lord" simply begins... on the day of Christ's future return to this earth. And that is when Jesus' future reign over the unsaved nations begins, and lasts for one thousand years, as written in Revelation 20. His future reign goes past that thousand years of course, but the unbelievers do not, and that's the actual point of that literal period, those who perish at the end of it.

So do not allow Satan's host who push doctrines of men take the above Bible understanding away from you. Satan and his children of darkness don't like any ideas about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the unsaved starting at His future return to earth.

Satan's host don't even like the idea of Lord Jesus' future RETURN TO THIS EARTH, to Jerusalem on earth, where He will reign from, as written in God's Word (Psalms 2; Zechariah 14). Satan and his children want this earth for themselves. That is why Satan even creates doctrines of men that moves Christ's elect Church off this earth, when God's Word shows we in Christ do NOT rapture to Heaven, but to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem on earth, WITH Lord Jesus, when His feet descend to earth and touch down at that Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from.

2 Peter 3:8 has absolutely nothing to do with the duration of the day of the Lord. That idea is utter nonsense. If you look at verse 9 you can see the context of 2 Peter 3:8. The reason that Peter pointed out that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day is because time has no affect on the Lord from His eternal perspective. One day and a thousand years are no different to Him. Because of His eternal perspective where one day is no different than a thousand years, no one can say that the Lord is being slack/slow to fulfill the promise of His second coming even if it takes a thousand or however many more years before He returns. That's what 2 Peter 3:8 means. It has nothing to do with the duration of the day of the Lord. That's just ridiculous to claim that.

 

[Davy]

Ahem...

We don't spiritualize Scripture, God does. Anyone who reads Scripture seriously should know that. Nor do we turn concrete prophecies into metaphors. What we do is read God's metaphors and refuse to turn them into Jewish fables, visions of earthly reigns, or private interpretations. God says what He says, and He doesn't say what He doesn't say. That's a sound methodology of dealing with God's word. The only real slippery slope is in deleting where God says All Israel is not Israel, or we (the church) who were once outside the commonwealth of Israel, are now in it and made one with the Jews, or where God says He is Not a Jew who is one outwardly/physically, but who is one inwardly, and creating doctrines that effectively deny all that God plainly says. Now THAT... is what I call Diminishes Scripture's Authority, undermines its integrity, and reinterpretes God's Words based on contemporary ideologies and traditional, worldly, philosophical trends. Those are the true critical errors of unsound hermeneutics.
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BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
The above statements are so... hilarious, that I don't hardly know where to start in response to it.

God's written Word determines when a spiritual metaphor is given, NOT man.

And as Apostle Paul showed in Titus 1 how JEWS treat The Word of God and create "fables"... and making vain remarks...

Titus 1:10-16
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, "The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies."

13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
KJV

... that reveals what TribulationSigns said is just more of the same Jewish double-speak that Apostle Paul said Jewish converts were guilty of.

 

[TribulationSigns]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
The above statements are so... hilarious, that I don't hardly know where to start in response to it.

God's written Word determines when a spiritual metaphor is given, NOT man.

And as Apostle Paul showed in Titus 1 how JEWS treat The Word of God and create "fables"... and making vain remarks...

Titus 1:10-16
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, "The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies."

13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
KJV

... that reveals what TribulationSigns said is just more of the same Jewish double-speak that Apostle Paul said Jewish converts were guilty of.

LOL! Your response doesn’t actually engage my argument. What you did was redirecting the discussion to Titus 1 and then applies Paul’s rebuke of false teachers in Crete to you without showing how your hermeneutic fits that context. That’s not exegesis — that’s deflection.

Again, you haven’t addressed my actual argument. I never claimed that man decides when something is metaphorical. My entire point was the opposite — God Himself uses metaphor, parable, allegory, typology, and spiritual fulfillment in Scripture, and we must let Scripture define those categories.

Quoting Epistle to Titus 1:10–16 does not refute what I wrote. Paul was confronting false teachers in Crete who were promoting legalistic myths and commandments of men. That passage is about corrupt teachers motivated by gain — not about whether Old Testament prophecy finds its fulfillment spiritually in Christ and His body.


If you believe I am promoting “Jewish fables,” then demonstrate from the Biblical text where I have added commandments of men, denied Christ, or subverted households. Simply labeling my view with Paul’s rebuke does not make it applicable.


When Paul writes in Epistle to the Romans 2:28–29 that “he is not a Jew who is one outwardly,” or in Romans 9 that “they are not all Israel who are of Israel,” he is already redefining covenant identity in light of Christ. When he teaches in Ephesians 2 that Gentiles are brought into the commonwealth of Israel and made one new man, that is not “double-speak”

That is apostolic doctrine.

Likewise, when Jesus curses the fig tree in Gospel of Matthew 21, it is clearly an enacted parable. The prophets repeatedly used the fig tree as a symbol for Israel (see Hosea and Jeremiah). Recognizing biblical symbolism where Scripture itself establishes it is not inventing metaphor — it is following the text.

So the real question is not whether “man decides” what is spiritual. The question is whether the New Testament authors, under inspiration, interpret Old Testament promises in Christological and ecclesiological terms. They clearly do.


If you believe my conclusions are wrong, show from the text where my interpretation contradicts apostolic teaching! But simply citing Titus 1 and implying "guilt by association" does not address the substance of what I wrote.

Selah!

 

[Davy]

LOL! Your response doesn’t actually engage my argument. What you did was redirecting the discussion to Titus 1 and then applies Paul’s rebuke of false teachers in Crete to you without showing how your hermeneutic fits that context. That’s not exegesis — that’s deflection.

Again, you haven’t addressed my actual argument. I never claimed that man decides when something is metaphorical. My entire point was the opposite — God Himself uses metaphor, parable, allegory, typology, and spiritual fulfillment in Scripture, and we must let Scripture define those categories.

Quoting Epistle to Titus 1:10–16 does not refute what I wrote. Paul was confronting false teachers in Crete who were promoting legalistic myths and commandments of men. That passage is about corrupt teachers motivated by gain — not about whether Old Testament prophecy finds its fulfillment spiritually in Christ and His body.


If you believe I am promoting “Jewish fables,” then demonstrate from the Biblical text where I have added commandments of men, denied Christ, or subverted households. Simply labeling my view with Paul’s rebuke does not make it applicable.


When Paul writes in Epistle to the Romans 2:28–29 that “he is not a Jew who is one outwardly,” or in Romans 9 that “they are not all Israel who are of Israel,” he is already redefining covenant identity in light of Christ. When he teaches in Ephesians 2 that Gentiles are brought into the commonwealth of Israel and made one new man, that is not “double-speak”

That is apostolic doctrine.

Likewise, when Jesus curses the fig tree in Gospel of Matthew 21, it is clearly an enacted parable. The prophets repeatedly used the fig tree as a symbol for Israel (see Hosea and Jeremiah). Recognizing biblical symbolism where Scripture itself establishes it is not inventing metaphor — it is following the text.

So the real question is not whether “man decides” what is spiritual. The question is whether the New Testament authors, under inspiration, interpret Old Testament promises in Christological and ecclesiological terms. They clearly do.


If you believe my conclusions are wrong, show from the text where my interpretation contradicts apostolic teaching! But simply citing Titus 1 and implying "guilt by association" does not address the substance of what I wrote.

Selah!

What I revealed is how you sit upon a roost just waiting... to try and deceive good Christian brethren here on this forum, and likely on other forums too.

What I covered by Apostle Paul in Titus 1 applies INSTANTLY to YOUR FAKE ATTITUDE. When you talk of spiritual metaphors in God's Word you only show you don't have a clue... as to what you are talking about!

 

[TribulationSigns]

What I revealed is how you sit upon a roost just waiting... to try and deceive good Christian brethren here on this forum, and likely on other forums too.

LOL! Is that what you are worrying about? Poor you.

What I covered by Apostle Paul in Titus 1 applies INSTANTLY to YOUR FAKE ATTITUDE. When you talk of spiritual metaphors in God's Word you only show you don't have a clue... as to what you are talking about!

So far, you’ve declared my “attitude” fake, accused me of deception, and quoted Epistle to Titus 1 as if simply pasting it settles the matter.

What you have NOT done — even once — is demonstrate from Scripture where my interpretation is biblically wrong.

You say Paul’s warning in Titus “applies instantly” to me. That’s convenient. But Paul in Titus is addressing false teachers promoting Jewish myths and commandments of men for gain. Please show the forum where I’ve introduced commandments of men, denied Christ, or taught for filthy lucre. Otherwise, invoking Titus is just rhetorical thunder without lightning.

You also claim that when I speak of spiritual metaphors, I “don’t have a clue.” Interesting — because Scripture itself uses metaphor constantly. Was Jesus confused when He said, “I am the door”? Was He mistaken when He called Himself the vine? Was Paul clueless when he explicitly says in Galatians that certain things are spoken “allegorically”? Or when he says not all Israel is Israel in Epistle to the Romans 9?

If recognizing biblical symbolism means I don’t have a clue, then the prophets, Christ, and the apostles must all be in trouble.

You’ve offered accusations. I’ve offered texts.

If my position is false, demonstrate it from Scripture. Show where the New Testament denies that Gentiles are incorporated into the commonwealth of Israel. Show where it teaches that covenant identity remains purely ethnic and territorial after Christ.

Until then, repeating “Titus 1 applies to you instantly” is not an argument — it’s just a label.

Looking forward to actual exegesis from you.

 

[Davy]

OK BRETHREN IN CHRIST, HERE'S MORE OF THE PROBLEM TribulationSigns HAS REVEALED ABOUT HIS TYPE:

Even to this day, among the English speaking community, there are mainly TWO schools of Bible interpretation based on what Bible is used. The main sources debated are the Traditional New Testament Greek text, which make up the 'majority' of Greek NT manuscripts, and represent the Traditional NT text which the early Church used. The Greek Textus Receptus (Received Text) is from those Traditional Greek texts.

Then there is the Codex Alexadrinus Greek texts made in Alexandria, Egypt by one of the early Christian schools there that existed among the Greek pagan culture, which is claimed to be the oldest Greek NT manuscripts, but are few in number and in good shape showing lack of use. And the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus that were only later discovered in the mid-1800's. Of course those who support their authenticity claim... they were written back to at least the 4th century A.D., even though there is no solid proof of that.

The supposed argument for those later codices against the Traditional Greek text is that Codex Alexandrinus is older than the Traditional Greek Majority Text which make up the majority of Greek NT manuscripts. Codex Alexandrinus is said to be older, so that means better, right? That's their claim anyway.

Then in 1881, British Bible scholars Wescott and Hort actually CREATED a NEW GREEK NT text by using the Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Vaticanus, and Codex Sinaiticus, while snubbing their nose at the Textus Receptus or Traditional Greek texts which make up the Majority Greek texts used for earlier Bibles like the 1611 King James Version.

This is why... modern Bibles after the 1880's contain many SPIRITUALIZATIONS and ALLEGORIES that the Traditional Greek text does NOT have. These later Bibles show many corruptions and a concerted effort to remove the idea of Jesus Christ's Divine Nature as one Person in the 3-Person Godhead.

Origen of the Alexandria school used a method of Bible interpretation so speculative based on the idea of allegory, that he turned many written Bible prophecies that were literal into spiritual metaphors. There exists many Christian churches today that still do this, and those more modern English Bible translations support their doing it.

Thus there is a war going on with what Bible version the Christian uses today. Even Nelson Publishers of the New King James Bible uses translations from Wescott and Hort's new corrupt Greek NT text, and also Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. The original 1611 King James Version NT by Rasmus did not use Codex Alexandrinus. Rasmus referred to it, but decided not to use it, wonder why, hmmm....? And Wescott and Hort in their personal letters to each other remarked how if the world ever found out how much they hated that and worked against the Textus Receptus (Received Text) which was taken from the Majority Texts (meaning majority of existing Greek NT manuscripts), then they would be in trouble.

See the following scholarly documentary on this subject...

 

[Davy]

MY RESPONSE TO TribulationSigns:

So when I said his statements against me were so hilarious, that I hardly knew where to begin in response, it was because of the very thing he has been taught... to do, i.e., CREATE SPIRITUAL ALLEGORIES based on LITERAL EVENTS written in God's Word, and he TRIED to label ME doing that very thing, it is just HILARIOUS.

Anyone who studies the actual written Bible Scripture that I cover well knows me, that I do NOT spiritualize The Word of God. TribulationSigns is LYING through his teeth, and he will... answer to The LORD for it too. It's coming.

Does that mean I do not recognize there actually are 'some' spiritual metaphors written... in God's Word? Of course I recognize that, and I take time to explain those too, unlike many preachers who just bypass them because they don't want to take the time to make sure their congregation understands them.

For example, when God gave us examples of Lucifer's original fall in the Ezekiel 28 Chapter using the "king of Tyrus" as a type for the devil, it is not difficult for those who can read that being certain God is pointing to Lucifer himself, and not to the flesh king of Tyrus. God gave enough literal pointers about the devil there so it is easy to know He was not really talking about any flesh born king. For example, no flesh born king is an anointed cherub that covereth, which God said there. And no flesh born king was in God's Garden of Eden, which God also mentions there in association with that "king of Tyrus" as a type.

But you will hear some Jews just LIE and make up FAKE STORIES claiming that Ezekiel 28 example about the "king of Tyrus" is just about a flesh-born king! There's your FABLES folks, those Jews who do that. And I could go on and on just on this forum with many such examples that Jews come here to do that.

 

[Davy]

It only takes ONE VERSE to prove you wrong: Revelation 1:1.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:

Well, there's another one that doesn't have a clue as to what Revelation 1:1 is about.

Rev 1:1-3
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
KJV

Did you know brethren in Christ, that the false school of PRETERISM which wrongly interprets all the prophecies in Christ's Book of Revelation as already having been fulfilled, love... to exploit those above phrases in red?

If I say to you, I'm going to buy a house, it will shortly come to pass, or... the time is at hand, just WHEN am I talking about? today, tomorrow, next week, next year, ten years from now?? It's impossible to know for sure just by those phrases. But Preterists don't care, they exploint those phrases anyway, per THEIR AGENDA.

How do you know... what times Apostle John was pointing to by use of those phrases? By actual BIBLE STUDY of the SIGNS given that are to happen in the LAST GENERATION that will SEE Lord Jesus' 2nd coming! And you do know that Lord Jesus DID... give His servants SIGNS of the END for the last generation to be WATCHING leading up to His future return, right? If you do not know about those SIGNS, which are the SAME SIGNS Jesus gave Apostle John in Christ's Book of Revelation, then you truly are hurting as a Christian, and need to really get down to Bible study, for the time is SHORT! There, even I said it.

 

[TribulationSigns]

MY RESPONSE TO TribulationSigns:

So when I said his statements against me were so hilarious, that I hardly knew where to begin in response, it was because of the very thing he has been taught... to do, i.e., CREATE SPIRITUAL ALLEGORIES based on LITERAL EVENTS written in God's Word, and he TRIED to label ME doing that very thing, it is just HILARIOUS.

Yawning. I see we’re still arguing with things I never said.

You keep repeating that I “create spiritual allegories based on literal events,” yet you still haven’t quoted a single line where I invented an allegory out of thin air. My entire point has been that God Himself uses typology, parable, and spiritual fulfillment within the text — not that I get to manufacture them at will.

There’s a difference between recognizing inspired symbolism and fabricating private interpretations. The apostles did the former. You keep accusing me of the latter without demonstrating it.

Calling something “hilarious” doesn’t make it wrong. All it shows is that you’re reacting instead of exegeting.

If you believe I’ve turned a literal event into an unauthorized allegory, then show the passage, show my interpretation, and show from Scripture why it’s invalid.

Until then, you’re not refuting my argument — you’re just restating your frustration in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Still waiting on actual engagement with the text.

For example, when God gave us examples of Lucifer's original fall in the Ezekiel 28 Chapter using the "king of Tyrus" as a type for the devil, it is not difficult for those who can read that being certain God is pointing to Lucifer himself, and not to the flesh king of Tyrus. God gave enough literal pointers about the devil there so it is easy to know He was not really talking about any flesh born king. For example, no flesh born king is an anointed cherub that covereth, which God said there. And no flesh born king was in God's Garden of Eden, which God also mentions there in association with that "king of Tyrus" as a type.

But you will hear some Jews just LIE and make up FAKE STORIES claiming that Ezekiel 28 example about the "king of Tyrus" is just about a flesh-born king! There's your FABLES folks, those Jews who do that. And I could go on and on just on this forum with many such examples that Jews come here to do that.

That is a false accusation.

I have never once argued that the king of Tyrus in Book of Ezekiel 28 was “just a flesh-born king.” I never wrote that, never taught that, and never implied it.

What I have said is that the king of Tyrus is presented as a representation — a prophetic portrait of fallen man under the power of sin. That is not the same thing as reducing the passage to a merely political ruler, nor is it inventing “Jewish fables" as you falsely alleged.

If you’re going to critique my position, at least critique what I actually said — not something you imagined or assigned to me.

Strawmen are easy to knock down. Dealing with what was truly written requires actual engagement with the text. If you won't, I will put you on ignore list!

 

[Davy]

First, let's start with Daniel 9:24.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Here is my understanding of the fulfillment of each of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24. I will list the scriptures that I believe refer to the fulfillment of each of them.

1. To Finish Transgression

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
....

Ah... there it is folks, what I warned you about that the FAKES do with their false interpretation of that 70 weeks prophecy. Why is it they FAIL to understand that Daniel was told WHO and WHERE that 70 weeks prophecy is for???

For the JEWS in JERUSALEM. That is who Daniel's people represent.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Do you see that above underlined part brethren in Christ?? Does that above mean CHRISTIANS like us who have BELIEVED on Jesus of Nazareth as God's Promised Savior?? NO! of course not!

That 70 weeks prophecy is TO BE APPLIED SPECIFICALLY UPON THE JEWS AND JERUSALEM, not the Christian Church!!!

Did you notice how Spiritual Israelite immediately jumped into TRYING to show those 70 weeks events are about Christ's Church??? And he spent all that time throwing out Bible Scripture in a vain attempt to APPLY those 70 weeks events to Christ's Church when they are meant upon the Jews and Jerusalem.

Thus it's like I said before, the majority... of Jews in TODAY'S Jerusalem still REJECT Lord Jesus as The Christ! Thus there is no way those 70 weeks events have been completed today for the Jews and Jerusalem, and that is who and where that prophecy is to!

 

[Davy]

And just so you also know, Brethren in Christ, I can cover those Daniel 9:24-27 verses line upon line, phrase by phrase to show... how the 70th week has still yet to be fulfilled today.

But if one can't even get past that very first Daniel 9:24 verse of WHO and WHERE that prophecy is given to and where, then why should I waste time explaining the rest of those Daniel 9:25-27 verses? And to properly cover those one must consult other Chapters in the Book of Daniel about those events also, even Christ's Book of Revelation! So there's a lot to cover to properly give the true interpretation, and God's Word does back it all up.

So when you run into one of these folks that represent those so-called denominations pushing the blasphemy that Lord Jesus fulfilled the 70th final "one week" of placing an IDOL abomination in a stone temple in Jerusalem at the END, then that is how to recognize the false Jews that have crept in unawares in those denominations.

 

[TribulationSigns]

For the JEWS in JERUSALEM. That is who Daniel's people represent.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Do you see that above underlined part brethren in Christ?? Does that above mean CHRISTIANS like us who have BELIEVED on Jesus of Nazareth as God's Promised Savior?? NO! of course not!

Clearly, you are not slowing down long enough to read the text carefully.

Go back and read Book of Daniel 9:24 — not once, but repeatedly — and actually answer the questions the verse itself raises:

• For whom was the transgression finished?
• For whom was an end of sins made?
• For whom was reconciliation for iniquity accomplished?
• For whom was everlasting righteousness brought in?
• For whom were vision and prophecy sealed?
• For whom was the Most Holy anointed?

The text says: “for thy people and upon thy holy city.”

Now the real question is this: Do you believe Christ accomplished all of that only for ethnic Jews and a patch of land with a earthly city Jerusalem — and not for Gentiles who are grafted into the olive tree in Christ?

Because the New Testament is explicit. In Epistle to the Romans 11, Gentiles are grafted into the same olive tree. In Romans 2, a Jew is one inwardly. In Galatians 3, those who are Christ’s are Abraham’s seed. The covenant promises are fulfilled in Him and applied to all who are in Him. So yes, in God's eyes, they are all Daniel's people IN CHRIST! Deal with it!

For example, God did indeed finish transgression and bring in everlasting righteousness for “His holy city” — but the New Testament identifies that city as the heavenly Jerusalem, the community of the redeemed, not merely stones in the Middle East (see Hebrews 12; Revelation 21). This is the Holy City that Daniel is part of... IN CHRIST under His covenant!

That is the New Covenant reality: one people in Christ — Jew and Gentile — sharing the same promises, the same righteousness, the same city.

If you want to argue otherwise, you’ll need to show where the apostles reverse that unity and re-divide what Christ made one!

Selah!

 

[Davy]

Clearly, you are not slowing down long enough to read the text carefully.


Go back and read Book of Daniel 9:24 — not once, but repeatedly — and actually answer the questions the verse itself raises:

• For whom was the transgression finished?
• For whom was an end of sins made?
• For whom was reconciliation for iniquity accomplished?
• For whom was everlasting righteousness brought in?
• For whom were vision and prophecy sealed?
• For whom was the Most Holy anointed?

The text says: “for thy people and upon thy holy city.”

....

There it is again Brethren in Christ! Jewish fablers again that TRY to APPLY those 70 weeks events to Christ's Church!!!

And I... need to read that Daniel 9:24 verse again??!$#^^#??

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

The angel is speaking that to DANIEL, and is ABOUT DANIEL'S PEOPLE, AND DANIEL'S HOLY CITY, JERUSALEM!

And notice TribulationSigns even quotes that underlined phrase of Daniel 9:24??? What's the matter with his MIND??


And what, like I need to hear about my Lord Jesus and The Gospel because I can READ what that Daniel 9:24 verse says with, "upon thy people and upon thy holy city"??

I have already heard... The Gospel of Jesus Christ, a long time ago, and have believed and been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And I'm the one who NEEDS to READ that Daniel 9:24 Scripture?? How SICK is that person?