The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Everyone who was of faith in Christ, during their life time, have willingly appeared before the judgment seat of Christ, in the day that they repented before God, having continual faith in Jesus. All of such ARE NOT condemned ever again.

Who said anything about anyone being condemned again? Not me. So, who are you talking to here? Jesus Himself clearly indicated that all people will be gathered before Him at the same time to be judged in Matthew 25:31-46. It's not a judgment to determine the eternal fates of everyone. That will have already been determined. It's a judgment for having everyone give an account of themselves (Romans 14:10-12) in terms of how they treated "the least of these" and so on. Then the eternal rewards or sentences will be given out.

Everyone who was not of faith in Christ, during their life time, and did not willingly appear before the judgment seat of Christ, they remain under Adam's judgment, as being condemned ALREADY.
 Therefore, all of such who DID NOT bow before Jesus, while they had breath, they remain to be condemned ALREADY, and shall bow unto Him out of sheer terror and fear unto eternal destruction, in the day of His appearance in flaming fire.

Yes, they will bow before Jesus and acknowledge that He is Lord and will give an account of themselves at that point when He returns and will then be cast into the eternal lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

 

[Earburner]

Who said anything about anyone being condemned again? Not me. So, who are you talking to here? Jesus Himself clearly indicated that all people will be gathered before Him at the same time to be judged in Matthew 25:31-46. It's not a judgment to determine the eternal fates of everyone. That will have already been determined. It's a judgment for having everyone give an account of themselves (Romans 14:10-12) in terms of how they treated "the least of these" and so on. Then the eternal rewards or sentences will be given out.


Yes, they will bow before Jesus and acknowledge that He is Lord and will give an account of themselves at that point when He returns and will then be cast into the eternal lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Let's not forget that the Holy Spirit through Paul was talking to SAVED born again Christians in Corinth, and NOT the UNSAVED.
The unsaved cannot build anything upon the foundation of Christ, because they ARE NOT SAVED.

1 Cor. 3
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man [who is in Christ] build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but HE HIMSELF shall be SAVED; yet so as by fire.
> Verse 15 clearly reveals that if the "foundation of Jesus Christ" is established within a person, then he shall be SAVED, regardless of what the value of his works are. (Please consider the repentant thief on the cross).

However, verse 16 and 17 is having to do with all of God's born again saints, who HAVE RECEIVED the Gift of the Holy Spirit, whereby their "earthen vessels" [temples] are the PLACE of God's dwelling. Because of our mortality, we are subject to being destroyed/defiled by the UNSAVED.
2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure [of God Himself] [with]- in earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

16 Know ye not that YE [who are born again] ARE the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you?
17 If any man  DEFILE/DESTROY** the temple [the earthen vessels of God's dwelling place], him shall God DESTROY**; for the temple of God is holy, which temple [earthen vessels] ye are.

Jesus revealed this dynamic situation of God the Father dwelling within His own mortal flesh:
John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. [John 2:18-22].

**NOTE:
Strong's Number -> G5351 "DEFILE"/"DESTROY"
Greek: φθείρω
Transliteration: phtheirō
Pronunciation: fthi'-ro
Definition: Probably strengthened from φθίω phthiō (to pine or waste): properly to shrivel or wither, that is to spoil (by any process) or (genitive) to ruin (especially figuratively by moral influences to deprave): - corrupt (self) defile destroy.
KJV Usage: corrupt (4x), corrupt (one's) self (1x), be corrupt (1x), defile (1x), destroy (1x).
Occurs: 9
In verses: 7

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let's not forget that the Holy Spirit through Paul was talking to SAVED born again Christians in Corinth, and NOT the UNSAVED.
The unsaved cannot build anything upon the foundation of Christ, because they ARE NOT SAVED.

Did you think I said otherwise? I certainly did not. Not surprisingly, you didn't address what I actually did say.

 

[Earburner]

Did you think I said otherwise? I certainly did not. Not surprisingly, you didn't address what I actually did say.

I answered your take about born again Christians being judged!!
The proof that it's not going to happen, is by the salvation of the repentant thief.

Prior to his repentance and sudden faith in Jesus, He had absolutely nothing of "good works" that would be counted for "rewards"(??) towards him. In that last day of his life, the repentant thief "appeared before the judgment seat of Christ", and was judged as being a chosen "earthen vessel" of faith, and he was immediately justified/rewarded to enter into paradise with Jesus.

Surely you do understand that simply being saved by the Grace of God, that is REWARD ENOUGH -
to have Eternal life,
with Immortality,
dwelling with God and
all the saints
in EQUALITY,
in the KoG,
the new Heaven and earth.

What MORE can anyone want???

 

[rvmb]

I answered your take about born again Christians being judged!!
The proof that it's not going to happen, is by the salvation of the repentant thief.

Prior to his repentance and sudden faith in Jesus, He had absolutely nothing of "good works" that would be counted for "rewards"(??) towards him. In that last day of his life, the repentant thief appeared before the judgment seat of Christ, and was judged as being a chosen earthen vessel of faith, and he was immediately justified/rewarded to enter into paradise with Jesus.

Surely you do understand that simply being saved by the Grace of God, that is REWARD ENOUGH -
to have Eternal life,
with Immortality,
dwelling with God and
all the saints
in EQUALITY,
in the KoG,
the new Heaven and earth.

What MORE can anyone want???

Hey EB >> ""I answered your take about born again Christians being judged!!""
As I understand it, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 is where Christians 'saved' by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 will be judged.
Are there any verses that you are aware of that teach differently ?

 

[Earburner]

Hey EB >> ""I answered your take about born again Christians being judged!!""
As I understand it, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 is where Christians 'saved' by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 will be judged.
Are there any verses that you are aware of that teach differently ?

Born again Christians are not judged unto or according to condemnation, but rather they are judged through God's chastisement, and are corrected as children in the household of God.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must [now] begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Heb. 12
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Strong's Number - G3809
Greek: παιδεία
Transliteration: paideia
Pronunciation: pahee-di'-ah
Definition: From G3811; tutorage that is education or training; by implication disciplinary correction: - chastening chastisement instruction nurture.
KJV Usage: chastening (3x), nurture (1x), instruction (1x), chastisement (1x).
Occurs: 6
In verses: 6

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I answered your take about born again Christians being judged!!

I'm not saying they are going to be condemned if that's what you think. But, all Christians will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of themselves, as indicated in passages like 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12 and Matthew 25:31-46. Why would you deny such an obvious truth?

The proof that it's not going to happen, is by the salvation of the repentant thief.

How is that proof that Christians won't have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ?

Prior to his repentance and sudden faith in Jesus, He had absolutely nothing of "good works" that would be counted for "rewards"(??) towards him. In that last day of his life, the repentant thief "appeared before the judgment seat of Christ", and was judged as being a chosen "earthen vessel" of faith, and he was immediately justified/rewarded to enter into paradise with Jesus.

Surely you do understand that simply being saved by the Grace of God, that is REWARD ENOUGH -
to have Eternal life,
with Immortality,
dwelling with God and
all the saints
in EQUALITY,
in the KoG,
the new Heaven and earth.

What MORE can anyone want???

Have you never read this passage?

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Have you never read this parable?

Matthew 25:14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ 26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

 

[rwb]

Born again Christians are not judged unto or according to condemnation, but rather they are judged through God's chastisement, and are corrected as children in the household of God.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must [now] begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

I agree. Since we have already been judged righteous through the righteousness of Christ, we have no more fear of the judgment that shall come that is the second death. It is in life that Christians are being judged. The purpose for this judgment of God is that we might grow in both faith and righteousness unto maturity to be able instruments to lead others to Christ.

It is in this life that Christians are judged. When we are judged good and faithful servants over a few things, God will make us ruler over many things, and at the end of this life we will hear the Lord say, "well done....enter into the joy of the Lord." This shall be our rewards in this life as we faithfully serve our Lord and Savior.

Matthew 25:23 (KJV) His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

 

[rwb]

I'm not saying they are going to be condemned if that's what you think. But, all Christians will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of themselves, as indicated in passages like 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12 and Matthew 25:31-46. Why would you deny such an obvious truth?

When Christians are called to stand before the Lord, what shall we be able to claim as our own good works that do not come from God working in us to both will and do of His good pleasure?

Philippians 1:6 (KJV) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 3:7 (KJV) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The faithful shall stand before God already clothed in the righteousness of Christ, who has thoroughly cleansed us through His atoning blood. We go from mortal to immortal body the moment we are raised up to meet the Lord in the air. Being present with the Lord through His Spirit in us NOW we are already accepted of Him. As Christians stand on the right hand of Christ already clothed in immortality, we are the Lord's.

Romans 14:8-10 (KJV) For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:8-9 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (KJV) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

When we have been faithful to Christ in life, we shall come before Him as His sheep on His right to hear God say, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Believers have no fear of cursing and condemnation at the judgment seat of God.

Matthew 25:32-34 (KJV) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[Earburner]

I'm not saying they are going to be condemned if that's what you think. But, all Christians will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of themselves, as indicated in passages like 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12 and Matthew 25:31-46. Why would you deny such an obvious truth?


How is that proof that Christians won't have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ?


Have you never read this passage?

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Ummm...I quoted it to you in post #162.

Have you never read this parable?

Matthew 25:14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ 26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Knowing that the above is a parable, means that the truth of the story is spiritual, simple and to the point.
The truth to be known is found in verse 29, as you have hi-lighted.

In order for anyone to have MORE given to them by the Holy Spirit, they FIRST would have recieved the Holy Spirit.
Therefore the fulness of the teaching of the Holy Spirit, shall dwell within them according God's will.

So now, one must understand that for those who DO NOT HAVE the Holy Spirit, they shall only have "the wisdom of men", aka "church- ianity".
As a result, they can only learn and teach factual and historical knowledge, all of which never goes past the literal human effort of parsing** words and their literal definitions.
Upon death, even that shall be TAKEN from them, simply because human knowledge does not survive the grave.

**Def. "Parsing" refers to the process of breaking down a sentence or string of symbols into its grammatical parts to understand its structure and meaning.

1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [Holy Spirit authority] of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[rvmb]

Born again Christians are not judged unto or according to condemnation, but rather they are judged through God's chastisement, and are corrected as children in the household of God.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must [now] begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Heb. 12
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Strong's Number - G3809
Greek: παιδεία
Transliteration: paideia
Pronunciation: pahee-di'-ah
Definition: From G3811; tutorage that is education or training; by implication disciplinary correction: - chastening chastisement instruction nurture.
KJV Usage: chastening (3x), nurture (1x), instruction (1x), chastisement (1x).
Occurs: 6
In verses: 6

EB said >> ""Born again Christians are not judged unto or according to condemnation""
Correct, our only Christ appointed Apostle Paul to believers 'today' teaches that clearly in 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10
The Judgement Seat of Christ is where believers receive eternal rewards or loss yet remain saved

 

[Earburner]

Who said anything about anyone being condemned again? Not me. So, who are you talking to here? Jesus Himself clearly indicated that all people will be gathered before Him at the same time to be judged in Matthew 25:31-46. It's not a judgment to determine the eternal fates of everyone. That will have already been determined. It's a judgment for having everyone give an account of themselves (Romans 14:10-12) in terms of how they treated "the least of these" and so on. Then the eternal rewards or sentences will be given out.


Yes, they will bow before Jesus and acknowledge that He is Lord and will give an account of themselves at that point when He returns and will then be cast into the eternal lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Absolutely!!
On "that dreadful Day" there will be NO conversations between Jesus and the unsaved, arguing or explaining why they are not saved!!!

"That Day" will literally look like and be the following:
KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,  WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

KJV Luke 17:28
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the SAME [24 hour] DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them ALL.
30 Even thus shall it be in the [24 hour] day  WHEN the Son of man is revealed.
(The pre-mil. believers do not understand this. Are they being "wilfully ignorant", because of their indoctrination? I believe so!)

KJV 2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and  HASTING UNTO** the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.
**The word used here is "hasting" (G4692), "to await eagerly", NOT to "hasten".

Unfortunately, "church- ianity's foul marriage of Christian-Zionism believes that a War in the Mid-east is exactly what is needed to BRING ON/hasten(??) the Return of Jesus (Lol). So yes, they do use the word "hasten", as it is falsely written in many of the corrupted newer Bible versions.

That war will be KJV Rev. 9:13-21.
It just may be that the world will blame that War in the Euphrates upon the Christians and the Jews.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I answered your take about born again Christians being judged!!

Yes, you answered by responding to a strawman instead of responding to anything I said. I said NOTHING about Paul talking to any unsaved people in 1 Corinthians 3. Unfortunately, your reading comprehension skills are very poor, as is the case for most people on this forum.

The proof that it's not going to happen, is by the salvation of the repentant thief.

That what isn't going to happen exactly? Learn to communicate more clearly so I don't have to guess as to what you're talking about.

Prior to his repentance and sudden faith in Jesus, He had absolutely nothing of "good works" that would be counted for "rewards"(??) towards him.

Yeah. So? What is your point?

In that last day of his life, the repentant thief "appeared before the judgment seat of Christ", and was judged as beingwh a chosen "earthen vessel" of faith, and he was immediately justified/rewarded to enter into paradise with Jesus.

Where do you get this from? According to Jesus Himself, all people will appear before Him when He comes with His angels (Matthew 25:31-46). That has not yet happened.

Surely you do understand that simply being saved by the Grace of God, that is REWARD ENOUGH -
to have Eternal life,
with Immortality,
dwelling with God and
all the saints
in EQUALITY,
in the KoG,
the new Heaven and earth.

What MORE can anyone want???

Hello??? Have you ever actually read the Bible? It speaks about rewards for believers beyond eternal life, as I've shown you. Why do you have a problem with that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When Christians are called to stand before the Lord, what shall we be able to claim as our own good works that do not come from God working in us to both will and do of His good pleasure?

Philippians 1:6 (KJV) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 3:7 (KJV) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I never said that it's from our own good works. But, we are responsible to submit ourselves to God to allow Him to work through us. He doesn't force Himself on anyone. That's what Calvinists like you don't understand. You think people are just puppets or robots that God uses to do as He pleases with them. We have responsibility to humble ourselves and submit to God, but you deny that we have any responsibility at all.

The faithful shall stand before God already clothed in the righteousness of Christ, who has thoroughly cleansed us through His atoning blood.

Of course! Hello? Did I say otherwise? I absolutely did not. Just read what I say and don't read anything into it.

We go from mortal to immortal body the moment we are raised up to meet the Lord in the air.

Yes, of course. That will be a glorious day for all of us.

Being present with the Lord through His Spirit in us NOW we are already accepted of Him. As Christians stand on the right hand of Christ already clothed in immortality, we are the Lord's.

Romans 14:8-10 (KJV) For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:8-9 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (KJV) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

We have not yet appeared before the judgment seat of Christ. That will occur when He returns, as He Himself indicated in Matthew 25:31-46. The eternal destinies of all people will already be determined before that, but everyone must give an account of themselves at that point, after which all believers will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world and unbelievers will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

When we have been faithful to Christ in life, we shall come before Him as His sheep on His right to hear God say, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Believers have no fear of cursing and condemnation at the judgment seat of God.

Matthew 25:32-34 (KJV) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Yes, that will happen in the future at His second coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ummm...I quoted it to you in post #162.

Knowing that the above is a parable, means that the truth of the story is spiritual, simple and to the point.

Yes, and part of the truth of the story is that believers will be rewarded in some way based on how they served Christ. That is a reward beyond the eternal life that we all will be given at that time.

The truth to be known is found in verse 29, as you have hi-lighted.

In order for anyone to have MORE given to them by the Holy Spirit, they FIRST would have recieved the Holy Spirit.
Therefore the fulness of the teaching of the Holy Spirit, shall dwell within them according God's will.

Of course, it's only for those who have received the Holy Spirit. I never said otherwise. Unbelievers will not receive any rewards. They instead will be punished.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

EB said >> ""Born again Christians are not judged unto or according to condemnation""
Correct, our only Christ appointed Apostle Paul to believers 'today' teaches that clearly in 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10
The Judgement Seat of Christ is where believers receive eternal rewards or loss yet remain saved

Unbelievers will also stand before the judgment seat of Christ, as Matthew 25:31-46 makes very clear. Romans 14:10-12 implies that as well by referencing an Old Testament passage (Isaiah 45:22-24) which has unbelievers bowing down to Christ as well at His judgment seat.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Absolutely!!
On "that dreadful Day" there will be NO conversations between Jesus and the unsaved, arguing or explaining why they are not saved!!!

Hello? You are clearly wrong about this. Is Matthew 25:31-46 not in your Bible? Do you think the goats who get cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels are saved?! Clearly not! And Jesus indicates that He will be talking to them on that day.

"That Day" will literally look like and be the following:
KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,  WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

He will take vengeance physically on living unbelievers at that time by destroying them and He will punish all unbelievers from all-time at that point "with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord". But, there is first a judgment where everyone gives an account of themselves, as Matthew 25:31-46 indicates. After that judgment occurs, then unbelievers "shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" by being cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:34).

 

[Earburner]

Hello? You are clearly wrong about this. Is Matthew 25:31-46 not in your Bible? Do you think the goats who get cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels are saved?! Clearly not! And Jesus indicates that He will be talking to them on that day.

You might want talk to Noah and Lot.

He will take vengeance physically on living unbelievers at that time by destroying them and He will punish all unbelievers from all-time at that point "with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord". But, there is first a judgment where everyone gives an account of themselves, as Matthew 25:31-46 indicates. After that judgment occurs, then unbelievers "shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" by being cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:34).

Honestly, do you see that with Noah and Lot?
Ever since Adam, the judgment of mortal death is final and eternal. No one is born having an immortal eternal living soul.

The ONLY way to escape eternal death is by having faith in the Messiah Jesus, the Promise that was to come, who came in mortal flesh, is now coming by His Holy Spirit, and shall come again in His Immortal self.

 

[rvmb]

Unbelievers will also stand before the judgment seat of Christ, as Matthew 25:31-46 makes very clear. Romans 14:10-12 implies that as well by referencing an Old Testament passage (Isaiah 45:22-24) which has unbelievers bowing down to Christ as well at His judgment seat.

Si said > Unbelievers will also stand before the judgment seat of Christ, as Matthew 25:31-46
List the verses where Matthew teaches the SAME " Judgement Seat of Christ as Paul
Rom 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15
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1 Cor 5:10-15

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[Earburner]

Where do you get this from? According to Jesus Himself, all people will appear before Him when He comes with His angels (Matthew 25:31-46). That has not yet happened.

Did the repentant thief on the cross appear before Jesus?
Yes, he did, when he said: "Remember me when you come into your kingdom".
Jesus said: Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

In the Day of Jesus' Glorious visible return, paradise will be EMPTIED**.

1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING with him.

To be "asleep in Jesus", means that they were JUDGED, like that of the repentant thief.
BTW, it's not by accident that the repentant thief used the word "remember". That word is found in Malachi 3:16-18, of which was a function of God to "remember" the names of the faithful of Israel. The permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit was not yet given until AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Yes indeed, that repentant thief is one of the Lord's "Jewels"


**In Rev. 6:11, you can go see them with their "white robes" asleep in paradise.