Revelation 13:12 says "everyone on earth, will be forced to worship the beast", does that mean everyone on earth needs to repent? (refuse to repent?)

[Luther7]

Tell us how you interpret this passage...

1 Corinthians 3:11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Notice that Paul talks about a reward that is beyond the salvation we all will receive.


How do you interpret this parable:

Matthew 25:14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ 26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Notice that Jesus talks about making his faithful servants rulers over many things. That is a reward beyond the eternal life we will all be given.

1): Corinthians 3:11:
For no other foundation can anyone lay, other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Everything we are and everything we do is through Christ...."I can do all things through Christ....". Some believers do more things (through Christ) than others, as the Holy Spirit leads us. So what we do , great or small, IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. It is according to God's grace.

The " fire" reveals where those works came from... Christ ( gold, silver, precious stones) our works remain because they are wrought in God.
And the reward, " a reward", no matter what you perceive it to be, is because of CHRIST'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, NOT OURS. That's why it is so unBiblical to give glory to ourselves when EVERYTHING comes from the Lord.

Matthew 5:5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."

You preach: " blessed are those who expect to receive rewards in the new earth, hopefully a good amount so Jesus will notice them"

 

[Davy]

I don't understand why you said
"and will determine what kind of rewards we will receive from The Lord."
Wouldn't eternal life be the ultimate reward? Anything besides that sounds like worldly competition. " I did more works so therefore I received more rewards.... sounds Catholic, or worldly. It's not taught in scripture.

So Jesus instead said, according to your mind, that EVERYONE is going to sit upon those 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel in His future Kingdom? No, that's not what He said. He said His 12 Apostles are the ones who will sit upon those 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel.

Matt 19:27-30
27 Then answered Peter and said unto Him, "Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?"

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."
KJV


God said in Isaiah 45:18 that He created this earth to be lived upon. We are not going to just sit around like a bunch of monks doing nothing on earth. We shall build houses, plant vineyards, etc., like it says in Isaiah.

And WOW! If some here don't like what Jesus revealed above about the rewards to His Apostles when He returns, you certainly won't like what He said about those of His servants that err... when He returns...

Luke 12:45-48
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
KJV

The above means likewise, His punishment upon His servants that err is ALSO according to their works, even those servants who did err out of ignorance. GET YOUR PREACHERS TO PREACH THAT SCRIPTURE IN YOUR CHURCH! Many brethren need... to hear that!

 

[Luther7]

So Jesus instead said, according to your mind, that EVERYONE is going to sit upon those 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel in His future Kingdom? No, that's not what He said. He said His 12 Apostles are the ones who will sit upon those 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel.

Matt 19:27-30
27 Then answered Peter and said unto Him, "Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?"

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."
KJV


God said in Isaiah 45:18 that He created this earth to be lived upon. We are not going to just sit around like a bunch of monks doing nothing on earth. We shall build houses, plant vineyards, etc., like it says in Isaiah.

And WOW! If some here don't like what Jesus revealed above about the rewards to His Apostles when He returns, you certainly won't like what He said about those of His servants that err... when He returns...

Luke 12:45-48
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
KJV

The above means likewise, His punishment upon His servants that err is ALSO according to their works, even those servants who did err out of ignorance. GET YOUR PREACHERS TO PREACH THAT SCRIPTURE IN YOUR CHURCH! Many brethren need... to hear that!

"28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, ...."

I believe this language includes all believers , as we read :
1 Corinthians 6:2 KJV - 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

When Jesus Christ comes to judge the living and the dead, in some mysterious way we will be part of that event..

When He comes, this world comes to an end and a new heavens and earth begin. Now is the day of salvation. God has given the human race today to turn to Him. Any teaching of mercy at that day or a special kingdom to give jews a 43rd chance to come to Him is talmudic indoctrination.

 

[Luther7]

So Jesus instead said, according to your mind, that EVERYONE is going to sit upon those 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel in His future Kingdom? No, that's not what He said. He said His 12 Apostles are the ones who will sit upon those 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel.

Matt 19:27-30
27 Then answered Peter and said unto Him, "Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?"

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."
KJV


God said in Isaiah 45:18 that He created this earth to be lived upon. We are not going to just sit around like a bunch of monks doing nothing on earth. We shall build houses, plant vineyards, etc., like it says in Isaiah.

And WOW! If some here don't like what Jesus revealed above about the rewards to His Apostles when He returns, you certainly won't like what He said about those of His servants that err... when He returns...

Luke 12:45-48
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
KJV

The above means likewise, His punishment upon His servants that err is ALSO according to their works, even those servants who did err out of ignorance. GET YOUR PREACHERS TO PREACH THAT SCRIPTURE IN YOUR CHURCH! Many brethren need... to hear that!

If one is truly saved they are condemned no more:
Romans 8:1 KJV - There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Luke 12:45-48 has more going on with it spiritually because there is no judgement cast on believers. And that includes the metaphorical "beaten with stripes".....of course that's not actually going to take place, unless of course you think that a spiritual body can receive physical punishment. It makes no scriptural sense.

That's like believing that God is going to give every unsaved person who ever lived a "resurrected body" so they can be subject to an eternity of fiery torture. That's not happening.

 

[Davy]

"28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, ...."

I believe this language includes all believers , as we read :
1 Corinthians 6:2 KJV - 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

When Jesus Christ comes to judge the living and the dead, in some mysterious way we will be part of that event..

When He comes, this world comes to an end and a new heavens and earth begin. Now is the day of salvation. God has given the human race today to turn to Him. Any teaching of mercy at that day or a special kingdom to give jews a 43rd chance to come to Him is talmudic indoctrination.

There you go trying to CHANGE.... what Lord Jesus clearly said, just to suit your own shortcomings.

Will EVERYONE IN HIS CHURCH be made a king, sitting next to Christ's Throne in His future Kingdom, according to YOUR view?? That is basically what you are trying to say, which does not align with God's written Word.

Matt 20:20-23
20 Then came to Him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping Him, and desiring a certain thing of Him.

21 And He said unto her, "What wilt thou?" She saith unto Him, "Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on Thy right hand, and the other on the left, in Thy kingdom."

22 But Jesus answered and said, "Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They say unto Him, "We are able."

23 And He saith unto them, "Ye shall drink indeed of My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on My right hand, and on My left, is not Mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of My Father."
KJV

 

[Davy]

If one is truly saved they are condemned no more:
Romans 8:1 KJV - There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Just so you don't slip into the dangers of man's false 'Once Saved, Always Saved' doctrines, HOW did Apostle Paul apply a CONDITION for having been saved per that Romans 8:1 verse?

Rom 8:1-4
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
KJV

The CONDITION Paul made was about NOT walking after the flesh, but walking after The Spirit, The Holy Spirit.

In Galatians 5 Paul goes into more detail as to what that Walk means. It is a CONDITION of our Salvation in Christ Jesus which is about REMAINING IN THE FAITH.

We aren't saved by our works, but by our FAITH on Lord Jesus. But our type of works can... put us in DANGER when He returns! (see about the "five foolish virgins" in Christ's parable of the ten virgins; and those of Matthew 7 that will say to Jesus at His coming of how they did many wonderful works in His Name, and He will tell them to get away from Him, those who did iniquity.)

 

[Luther7]

There you go trying to CHANGE.... what Lord Jesus clearly said, just to suit your own shortcomings.

Will EVERYONE IN HIS CHURCH be made a king, sitting next to Christ's Throne in His future Kingdom, according to YOUR view?? That is basically what you are trying to say, which does not align with God's written Word.

Matt 20:20-23
20 Then came to Him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping Him, and desiring a certain thing of Him.

21 And He said unto her, "What wilt thou?" She saith unto Him, "Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on Thy right hand, and the other on the left, in Thy kingdom."

22 But Jesus answered and said, "Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They say unto Him, "We are able."

23 And He saith unto them, "Ye shall drink indeed of My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on My right hand, and on My left, is not Mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of My Father."
KJV

It's a figure of speech, don't you see it? A heirchy in heaven is a concept from the minds of men . The Bible clearly teaches that we are all ONE in Christ Jesus. This crazy notion of " rewards" is so worldly. None of this past world will be remembered. But yet you insist that the things WE DO AS INDIVIDUALS here and now ( as believers) will have hierchical consequences.

How about we all just focus on Christ and His righteosness?

Luke 17:7-10 KJV - 7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Can it get any clearer?

 

[Davy]

It's a figure of speech, don't you see it? A heirchy in heaven is a concept from the minds of men . The Bible clearly teaches that we are all ONE in Christ Jesus. This crazy notion of " rewards" is so worldly. None of this past world will be remembered. But yet you insist that the things WE DO AS INDIVIDUALS here and now ( as believers) will have hierchical consequences.

How about we all just focus on Christ and His righteosness?
....

One cannot read what Jesus will say to the "five foolish virgins" and those of Matthew 7 who will say, "Lord, lord..." that He will reject when He comes, and it not go against the claim you have said above.

You simply are missing... a huge part of your Bible, and have instead believed doctrines of men about Christ's Salvation.

And one the doctrines of men I notice you have is NOT understanding what Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect will be for. Brethren that erred during this world, even as believers on Christ, will be corrected during Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. That Millennium time is for them, and for those who never had their 1st chance to hear The Gospel, which there have been many in this world not able to hear. One of the main jobs of Christ's elect at that time will be to teach His people His Word, and the difference between the holy and profane, the clean and the unclean. That was the job of the Hebrew priest in The Old Testament times.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1): Corinthians 3:11:
For no other foundation can anyone lay, other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Everything we are and everything we do is through Christ...."I can do all things through Christ....". Some believers do more things (through Christ) than others, as the Holy Spirit leads us. So what we do , great or small, IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. It is according to God's grace.

The " fire" reveals where those works came from... Christ ( gold, silver, precious stones) our works remain because they are wrought in God.
And the reward, " a reward", no matter what you perceive it to be, is because of CHRIST'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, NOT OURS. That's why it is so unBiblical to give glory to ourselves when EVERYTHING comes from the Lord.

Who said anything about giving glory to ourselves? Not me. If our Lord wants to reward us and tell us "Well done, thou good and faithful servant", why is that a problem for you? It isn't about our righteousness, but God expects us to serve and obey Him and that doesn't happen automatically. We do have responsibility. Your religion says man has no responsibility for anything, but that is not the case.

Matthew 5:5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."

You preach: " blessed are those who expect to receive rewards in the new earth, hopefully a good amount so Jesus will notice them"

Nonsense. You have no idea of what you're talking about. You're apparently blinded by Lutheranism. You're arguing with a strawman. We don't serve Christ because of rewards, we serve Him because He is our Lord and Savior. If He rewards people for serving Him well, so what? Our motives are what matter.

Why didn't you comment on what Jesus taught in the parable from Matthew 25:14-30 (Luke 19:11-27 is similar)? Too afraid to address it?

 

[NayborBear]

It's a figure of speech, don't you see it? A heirchy in heaven is a concept from the minds of men . The Bible clearly teaches that we are all ONE in Christ Jesus. This crazy notion of " rewards" is so worldly. None of this past world will be remembered. But yet you insist that the things WE DO AS INDIVIDUALS here and now ( as believers) will have hierchical consequences.

Believes it or not? They do. Because the further you progress doing this?:
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

The more "mansions" (meno: areas of as well as depth of abidance or relation/s of/with) one will be with in Him/Them):

John 14:2-3
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may* be also.

*Ya see? Christ didn't say would. So is not an automatic inclusion.
Not saying that measures of faith doesn't prevent or prohibit one.
Yet, unfortunately? It usually does.
Tis a "God in a box" mindset aka "Parable of the Talents" thing.
If you've not had an inner voice ask you: "Are ya ready yet?" You have no worries.
One is still a part of the many membered body of Christ.

 

[Luther7]

One cannot read what Jesus will say to the "five foolish virgins" and those of Matthew 7 who will say, "Lord, lord..." that He will reject when He comes, and it not go against the claim you have said above.

You simply are missing... a huge part of your Bible, and have instead believed doctrines of men about Christ's Salvation.

And one the doctrines of men I notice you have is NOT understanding what Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect will be for. Brethren that erred during this world, even as believers on Christ, will be corrected during Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. That Millennium time is for them, and for those who never had their 1st chance to hear The Gospel, which there have been many in this world not able to hear. One of the main jobs of Christ's elect at that time will be to teach His people His Word, and the difference between the holy and profane, the clean and the unclean. That was the job of the Hebrew priest in The Old Testament times.

I'm sorry but the literal millennial reign of Christ is a misinterpretation of scripture influenced by talmudic teachings.

They want you to believe that it's not " game over" when Jesus Christ comes. There is no place in Scripture that will support an extended "kingdom" on this sin- cursed earth. That's what the jews believe when " their" messiah comes.

FIRST COMING: Salvation, Gospel, Holy Spirit
SECOND COMING: JUDGMENT.
That's it. New Heavens, new earth.
And here's the part that the Zionist Christian refuses to acknowledge..... because jews are no different, no greater than gentiles in God's NEW COVENANT EYES, they must turn to Jesus NOW before He comes!

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a rushing noise, and the elements, burning with heat, shall be dissolved, both the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up.
11 Therefore, seeing that all these things shall be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens, being set of fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements, burning with heat, shall melt?
13 But according to His promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Born again Christians are looking for a "new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."
They are not looking to be swept up into the air and fly around while they watch the world crash and burn, only to come back to the same sin- cursed earth ( where righteousness dwells only in Jerusalem, which is definitely not Biblical) only to reign with Christ with the anxiety of knowing that once again they are going to have to deal with Satan IN THE VERY, VERY END when he deceives the nations again? So crazy. So very crazy.

 

[Davy]

I'm sorry but the literal millennial reign of Christ is a misinterpretation of scripture influenced by talmudic teachings.

They want you to believe that it's not " game over" when Jesus Christ comes. There is no place in Scripture that will support an extended "kingdom" on this sin- cursed earth. That's what the jews believe when " their" messiah comes.

FIRST COMING: Salvation, Gospel, Holy Spirit
SECOND COMING: JUDGMENT.
That's it. New Heavens, new earth.
And here's the part that the Zionist Christian refuses to acknowledge..... because jews are no different, no greater than gentiles in God's NEW COVENANT EYES, they must turn to Jesus NOW before He comes!

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a rushing noise, and the elements, burning with heat, shall be dissolved, both the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up.
11 Therefore, seeing that all these things shall be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens, being set of fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements, burning with heat, shall melt?
13 But according to His promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Born again Christians are looking for a "new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."
They are not looking to be swept up into the air and fly around while they watch the world crash and burn, only to come back to the same sin- cursed earth ( where righteousness dwells only in Jerusalem, which is definitely not Biblical) only to reign with Christ with the anxiety of knowing that once again they are going to have to deal with Satan IN THE VERY, VERY END when he deceives the nations again? So crazy. So very crazy.

You don't have a clue as to how wrong you are. Christ's literal physical Kingdom has NOT come upon this earth yet today (John 18:36). Only the Church of The Spirit is here on earth today, which is why Lord Jesus has not physically returned to earth yet. When He does return in our near future, THAT... is when He will establish His literal physical Kingdom here on earth, with HIM sitting upon the throne of His father David promised Him.

What you have stepped into is a pile of men's falseness on all that, instead of heeding what God's Word actually teaches.

 

[William Barton]

Revelation 13:12 says "ποιει τνγ γην" = "he makes all the *land*."

There was no concept of planet earth in New Testament times.

 

[William Barton]

IMO the "rapture" is indicated in John 14:2-3, 1Corinthians 5:51-53, 1Thessslonians 4:15-17, Revelation 11:12, 14:16.

 

[William Barton]

"Earth" (Revelation 13:12) is Greek γη = " land." There was no concept of a round planet earth in Biblical times. I imagine some philosophers suspected it, since ships seemed to sink below the horizon as they sailed out to sea. Christopher Columbus contributed to the idea as well.

 

[amigo de christo]

"Earth" (Revelation 13:12) is Greek γη = " land." There was no concept of a round planet earth in Biblical times. I imagine some philosophers suspected it, since ships seemed to sink below the horizon as they sailed out to sea. Christopher Columbus contributed to the idea as well.

did you just say
there was no concept of a round planet in biblical times .
might wanna change that tune .
IT is he who sitteth over THE CIRCLE of the earth ....................
last time i checked a circle is round .

 

[William Barton]

Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the canopy (כדק ) of the earth, usually understood as the horizon of the earth. I cannot imagine that anyone in Old Testament times knew that the earth is circular. I myself would not know it from personal observation, but now we have satellite pictures, and everyone knows it is circular.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Then Revelation said "if you are on Earth you will be forced to worship"

Not everyone will receive the mark.

Revelation 20:4
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

 

[TLHKAJ]

Nowhere does it say "you cannot repent for that"

Everyone who takes the mark does not, and will not repent. Scripture states this.

Revelation 9:20
“And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:”

Revelation 16:9
“And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.”

Revelation 16:11
“And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.”

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
The reign of the Antichrist is strictly Middle Eastern and does not involve the U.S.

Satan will meet his demise at the battle of Armageddon (Greek Ηαρ Μεγιδδω = Mountain of Megiddo). This is the plane at the foot of the Mountain of Megiddo. I visited Israel once and saw this area; battles have been fought there before. Satan and his angels will be the opposition against Jesus and his angels. See Revelation 19:11-20:1.