Moses Law : is NOT made for Christians #3

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Reader,

Moses initially gave the Jews both the 613 Laws and the 10 Commandments.
So, when we think of : "LAW"..... = under the Old Covenant, we are dealing with Moses Law, which includes the 10 Commandments.

But then there is this....

The total (Pauline Doctrine) understanding of "law"... is not just Moses Law including the 10.......but its anything that you believe you have to do, to be saved and stay saved, other then Trust in Christ alone.
So, any of that then becomes : a LAW unto you........

This means that the person has a list of : "if i do this, i stay saved, and if i ever do that, then Im no longer saved".

So we see that this person has shifted from Simple Faith in Christ that God has alreacy accepted to SAVE them, and now they are become a "here is what i have to DO, as my Salvation"... = Legalist.

See that list they have?
That List is denying that Jesus is The Savior, because that self saving List belongs to someone who does not understand that Salvation is not what we do to get it.... or what we do to try to Keep it.

Salvation is : JESUS.
JESUS is Salvation.

And a person says...>>"but shouldnt we try to be good and keep the 10 commandments and try to be like Christ and love our Neighbor"?

= Of course, as that is your DISCIPLESHIP..... but its not your SALVATION

Our Salvaiton is : JESUS
JESUS is Salvation.

We dont keep ourselves saved, exactly as we didnt save ourselves to begin with.........as GOD is the giver of salvation and the keeper of the redeemed.

Philipians 1:6

Reader,
.....Jesus alone is all we are to TRUST as our REAL FAITH....not Moses Law or Water Baptism, or any type of trying to be good enough to deserve Salvation., as all that is LEGALISM. (Self Saving)...= broken Faith.

God's Salvation is : John 14:6......Its JESUS Himself.....HE is Salvation.....and the moment that we get away from this FAITH in Christ and turn to that LIST of "do's and donts'......and that can include keeping commandments, or joining a specific church, or trying to confess sin, to stay saved... or water baptism...
See all that.. self EFFORT ?
That is the person replacing God's Son as their only Salvation with their idea of...."how to stay saved or how to be saved"., = and that is putting yourself "under the Law".

The remedy ???

"Jesus is the END OF THE LAW for Righteousness"... Paul teaches.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.. ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN"... Paul teaches........which means......do not look to the Law or Moses or anything you can do to try to be saved or stay saved.....We are to only and always look to CHRIST as our eternal Salvation, because He IS our Eternal Salvation.
There is no other........and Moses would tell us the same thing, if He could.
Thats a fact.
MOSES would tell us......."""""Do not look to your self effort or my LAWS, to try to go to heaven, or to try to stay saved.
KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE SON..........as HE is your Salvation......>He is The ONLY Salvation.""""

JESUS is : Salvation.

Reader, Do you have Christ in you, ?? If so then you are SAVED for Eternity.

We are to keep the 10 Commandments, but only as a Lifestyle Boundary.........so that we dont find ourselves in a big problem down here that is caused and created by breaking the 10 Commandments.
However....We are to never try to keep commandments to try to stay saved, because if we do that, then we are trusting in the Commandments instead of fully trusting in Christ.,and that means you have no real faith in Christ......its gone, its broken faith..
And the thing about Salvation is.......partial faith in Christ and partial faith in water baptisme and partial faith in commandments and confessing sin, and trying to be good.......is Not a Faith that God accepts.

And the issue is, on a forum......is you have so many who are this one..

......"WEll, i know that Jesus STARTED my Salvation.......but now i have to go and do all this, and keep all that, and her comes Moses Law... and maybe i should get water baptized for the 3rd time, just to play it safe..."

See the one?

Thats a Heretic (Paul's Term) who does not really Trust in Christ, and yet they are TEACHING a false Gospel and a False SALVATION on a "christian forum"... which means they are selling a Gospel, and its False, and its cursed, = Galatians 1:8........ and all that comes from this is confusion and strife on the Fourm.



Listen,
... The only relevance the 10 Commandments have in the Life of a Born Again Chrisitan is they are a needful and necessary Lifestyle Boundary, that keeps us from a lot of hurt and hardship, when we live inside their guidelines.

So, noone is arguing here on my Thread, that the 10 Commandments are not important in the life of EVERYONE.
Listen, I have in my home a beautiful and large Golden Mirror Exhibit of : The 10 Commandments.......its on the Living Room Wall.......yet here i am trying to stop believers from trusting in them, to try to stay saved...
How aBout that......

Now, The argument here on my 3 Threads that are addressing the same Topic. (Moses Law and the Christian) .// is that the Heretics want you to keep the 10 Commandments so that you can try to keep yourself saved by doing it., and that is a Gospel, and its FALSE and cursed and so are they.......Galatians 1:8
This means that the Heretic is replacing JESUS's Blood of the New Testament and New Covenant with the 10 Commandments and whatever else they falsely claim is a :"must do" to Stay Saved or a must do to become Saved..

So,....That's the 2000 yr old CLASH between people all claiming to be a "christian" who understand Salvation, vs those who do not........and its can't be resolved until everyone understands that Salvation is not what you DO.....its not a situation where you do things to get it or keep it.
Salvation is JESUS on The Cross...........and if you have Him in you, ("Christ in you THE Hope of Glory).... then you have God's Grace, who is Jesus our Eternal Salvation.

Also...

Paul teaches in Romans 3 that the entire world becomes guilty before God, because Moses Law and 10 Commandments reveal us all to be sinners.
We then turn to Christ by FAITH for Help........for forgiveness for Salvation........and God delivers it as "The GIFT of Salvaiton".

"Grace throught Faith"
"Justification BY Faith"

And once we are born again, then we exit here, forever. = The born again is """ Not Under The Law, but UNDER (God;s) Grace"" ..

Heretics do not agree and they ruin Christian forum with their confusion they bring.........and that confusion is that they want you to be like them.........OBSESSED with Sin and with LAW and Self Effort, as that is THEIR Salvation they TEACH, even tho they pretend they trust in Christ.
And God know they are pretending.
They absolutely do not Trust in Christ alone to get them to Heaven, and that is why they always OBSESS on Moses Law and commandments and obedience and sin, and water baptism.

 

[Jack]

Psalm 147:19-20
19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel.
20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise the LORD!

Amen Jesus!

 

[Behold]

Psalm 147:19-20
19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel.

Exactly, and every OLD TESTAMENT JEW who is on this forum should be shouting praise.

However, unless a CHRISTian is an "old testament Jew", a part of the "house of Israel"......then that verse does not apply to a CHRISTian.

But here is one that does...

"All who believe in Jesus shall be saved".

 

[Soyeong]

The total (Pauline Doctrine) understanding of "law"... is not just Moses Law including the 10.......but its anything that you believe you have to do, to be saved and stay saved, other then Trust in Christ alone.
So, any of that then becomes : a LAW unto you........

Paul referred to categories of law other than the Law of Moses, such as with the law of sin and works of the law. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit with the law of sin death. Sometimes a word is translated as "law" that isn't even the same Greek word. Nowhere did Paul say anything about something that ups believe that you have to do being "law".

This means that the person has a list of : "if i do this, i stay saved, and if i ever do that, then Im no longer saved".

In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, do you believe that someone can be saved while also being a worker of lawlessness?

In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him, so do you believe that someone can be saved while refusing to obey him?

So we see that this person has shifted from Simple Faith in Christ that God has alreacy accepted to SAVEthem, and now they are become a "here is what i have to DO, as my Salvation"... = Legalist.

See that list they have?
That List is denying that Jesus is The Savior, because that self saving List belongs to someone who does not understand that Salvation is not what we do to get it.... or what we do to try to Keep it.

Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the Law of Moses (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. Not wanting Jesus to save you from not being a doer of the Law of Moses is what is denying that he is The Savior.

Of course, as that is your DISCIPLESHIP..... but its not your SALVATION

Our salvation from sin would be Incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to be doers of sin, so there is an aspect of our gift of salvation from sin that we are experiencing in the present by repenting being a doer of sin and by becoming a doer the Law of Moses, which is in accordance with Titus 2:11-13.

We dont keep ourselves saved, exactly as we didnt save ourselves to begin with.........as GOD is the giver of salvation and the keeper of the redeemed.

God did not give His law as a way of saving ourselves, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of the Law of Moses is the way that He is giving us His gift of salvation.

esus alone is all we are to TRUST as our REAL FAITH....not Moses Law or Water Baptism, or any type of trying to be good enough to deserve Salvation., as all that is LEGALISM. (Self Saving)...= broken Faith.

God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalm 19:7), so the way to trust in God is by obediently trusting in His law and it would be contradictory to think that we should trust in God alone for salvation but not in His law. Jesus is God's word made flesh, so the way to trust him alone is by following his example of embodying God's Word, which has nothing to do with trying to be good enough to deserve salvation.

God's Salvation is : John 14:6

The Law of Moses is the way (1 Kings 2:1-3), the truth (Psalm 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus embodied the Law of God by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to it, so he is the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to know the Father. Jesus is God's Word made flesh, so him saying that he is the only way to the Father is in accordance with following his example of embodying God's Word, not in contrast with it.

Romans 10:4

It would be absurd to think that God's Word made flesh is the termination of God's Word, but rather knowing him is the goal of God's word for righteousness for everyone who has faith.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.. ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN"... Paul teaches........which means......do not look to the Law or Moses

It is contradictory to look to God's Word made flesh instead of his example of embodying God's Word.

However....We are to never try to keep commandments to try to stay saved, because if we do that, then we are trusting in the Commandments instead of fully trusting in Christ.,and that means you have no real faith in Christ

It is contradictory to obediently trust in God's instructions instead of in God.

"WEll, i know that Jesus STARTED my Salvation.......but now i have to go and do all this,

Jesus is saving us from not being a doer of the Law of Moses by graciously teaching us to be a doer of it, so it is part of the content of his gift of salvation, not something we have to do after he started it.

Galatians 1:8

You should not turn Galatians 1:8 against the Gospel that Jesus and Paul taught.

The only relevance the 10 Commandments have in the Life of a Born Again Chrisitan i

The Bible never refers to the Ten Commandments as being a Lifestyle Boundary. Those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not born again (1 John 3:4-10).

So, noone is arguing here on my Thread, that the 10 Commandments are not important in the life of EVERYONE.
Listen, I have in my home a beautiful and large Golden Mirror Exhibit of : The 10 Commandments.......its on the Living Room Wall.......yet here i am trying to stop believers from trusting in them, to try to stay saved...
How aBout that......

If you think that we should not trust in God's instructions, then you are also do not think that we should trust in God.

Now, The argument here on my 3 Threads that are addressing the same Topic. (Moses Law and the Christian) .// is that the Heretics want you to keep the 10 Commandments so that you can try to keep yourself saved by doing it., and that is a Gospel, and its FALSE and cursed and so are they.......Galatians 1:8
This means that the Heretic is replacing JESUS's Blood of the New Testament and New Covenant with the 10 Commandments and whatever else they falsely claim is a :"must do" to Stay Saved or a must do to become Saved..

It is incorrect consider Jesus and Paul to be heretics.

So,....That's the 2000 yr old CLASH between people all claiming to be a "christian" who understand Salvation, vs those who do not........and its can't be resolved until everyone understands that Salvation is not what you DO.....its not a situation where you do things to get it or keep it.
Salvation is JESUS on The Cross...........and if you have Him in you, ("Christ in you THE Hope of Glory).... then you have God's Grace, who is Jesus our Eternal Salvation.

You clearly are one of those who do not understand salvation.

Also...

Paul teaches in Romans 3 that the entire world becomes guilty before God, because Moses Law and 10 Commandments reveal us all to be sinners.
We then turn to Christ by FAITH for Help........for forgiveness for Salvation........and God delivers it as "The GIFT of Salvaiton".

The way that Christ helps us is by graciously teaching us to be doers of the Law of Moses.

"Grace throught Faith"
"Justification BY Faith"

And once we are born again, then we exit here, forever. = The born again is """ Not Under The Law, but UNDER (God;s) Grace"" ..

Heretics do not agree and they ruin Christian forum with their confusion they bring.........and that confusion is that they want you to be like them.........OBESSED with Sin and with LAW and Self Effort, as that is THEIR Salvation they TEACH, even tho they pretend they trust in Christ.
And God know they are pretending.
They absolutely do not Trust in Christ alone to get them to Heaven, and that is why they always OBSESS on Law and commandments and obedience and sin, and water baptism.

In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Romans 8:4-14, Paul contrasted those who are born if the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses. You are the one who obsessed with the straw man of self effort. The way to trust in Christ alone is not by refusing to trust in what he taught.