"Normal" Vaccine Alternatives to the mRNA Vaccine Are Coming!

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Taken

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You know the story of the man that was on a little island and prayed that God would save him. Then the boat comes and he says go ahead, God will save me. Then he starves to death.

Is a vaccine the boat that came to save the man, sent by God?

No.
 

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No. It is a poison sent by Satan to condition everyone for the Antichrist (while decimating the present populations).
Is the mRNA decimating the present populations? I am neutral on this issue, leaning toward a different vaccine that is not mRNA technology, so don't get me wrong. But decimating the population would be more on a scale of 6 of 10 people die from taking the vaccine. I do not think that is happening yet, but maybe soon. Gates and company are scary people when it comes to vaccines, so be praying and watching for what God wants you to do.
 

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I said is there "a" vaccine, not necessarily the mRNA vaccine. Is any vaccine possibly the boat sent by God?

Science- for good - discovery - intent is Scripturally Taught, is Good.

Science- for evil/ wicked - intent is Wicked/Evil.

The Individual must decide based on his own discovery of knowledge what he is willing to trust is good Intents or wicked Intents.

There is not only ONE "in the scheme of events that has lead to pushing "multiple Vaccines" ...

That which is of God, is that which is Good.
Discoveries of God Given "remedies", never to my knowledge included "brewmasters making secret potions by using aborted babies host tissues or animal tissues hosts"....nor dictated anyone must participate in receiving such "remedies".
 

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Science- for good - discovery - intent is Scripturally Taught, is Good.

Science- for evil/ wicked - intent is Wicked/Evil.

The Individual must decide based on his own discovery of knowledge what he is willing to trust is good Intents or wicked Intents.

There is not only ONE "in the scheme of events that has lead to pushing "multiple Vaccines" ...

That which is of God, is that which is Good.
Discoveries of God Given "remedies", never to my knowledge included "brewmasters making secret potions by using aborted babies host tissues or animal tissues hosts"....nor dictated anyone must participate in receiving such "remedies".
Your right, the Lord always gives you a choice, with consequences. He will not mandate for instance.

What vaccines have baby tissues and animal tissues?
 

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Your right, the Lord always gives you a choice, with consequences. He will not mandate for instance.

What vaccines have baby tissues and animal tissues?

Virus-based vaccines are made in living cells (cell substrates).
You can do your own research into which manufacturers use what.
You can thereafter research the specific source (Several US Manfactures & NOT to dismiss China imports), of WHERE particulars Vaccines are Manifactured, and Specifically Dispensed to where.
As well...certain batches were distributed to NOT only certain localities, but to be given to Specific persons; determined by Employment, Military involvement and age groups.

Good luck, getting a straight answer, where any Vaccine you may consider, originated from or their methods of production.

You might have more success in learning About Viruses in general...(there are thousands around us everyday)...and WHY they can potientally be harmful...and what God has given us to protect ourselves.

We have an immune system, and internal filters...Anyone with a weakened Immune System or Already compromised Organs that are designed to Internally Filter...ARE going to be a high risk to a contagious disease.

Seems more Evident to me ...to emphasize KEEPING ones immune System and filtration organs in Optiomal Health, to begin with, rather than Scramble after the fact of a Virus being carelessly or intentionally unleashed on the population.

Not a secret, most of the world's food supply has been tinckered with (by Governments)...that a majority are not eating foods with proper Gods Given Nutrients, to keep a body's immune system In optimum health.

Vicious circle ...when so much power is given to Governments to manipulate...Some trust the government for Everything...Some don't.
 

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Virus-based vaccines are made in living cells (cell substrates).
You can do your own research into which manufacturers use what.
You can thereafter research the specific source (Several US Manfactures & NOT to dismiss China imports), of WHERE particulars Vaccines are Manifactured, and Specifically Dispensed to where.
As well...certain batches were distributed to NOT only certain localities, but to be given to Specific persons; determined by Employment, Military involvement and age groups.

Good luck, getting a straight answer, where any Vaccine you may consider, originated from or their methods of production.

You might have more success in learning About Viruses in general...(there are thousands around us everyday)...and WHY they can potientally be harmful...and what God has given us to protect ourselves.

We have an immune system, and internal filters...Anyone with a weakened Immune System or Already compromised Organs that are designed to Internally Filter...ARE going to be a high risk to a contagious disease.

Seems more Evident to me ...to emphasize KEEPING ones immune System and filtration organs in Optiomal Health, to begin with, rather than Scramble after the fact of a Virus being carelessly or intentionally unleashed on the population.

Not a secret, most of the world's food supply has been tinckered with (by Governments)...that a majority are not eating foods with proper Gods Given Nutrients, to keep a body's immune system In optimum health.

Vicious circle ...when so much power is given to Governments to manipulate...Some trust the government for Everything...Some don't.
I agree. Thanks
 
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There's no genetic manipulation.
You are lying because you have been lied to.

You have so little understanding it's ridiculousness.
It's the attempt to control people by fear. Things that they don't understand can be easily misrepresented to breed fear and paranoia. The facts that mRNA is degraded almost immediately after translation, and translation is about 20 times faster than transcription means that mRNA has a very short lifetime in living tissue:

People who fear mRNA vaccines aren't trolls. They have been manipulated by trolls. As one immunologist remarked, "vaccine trolling is for (expletive deleted) who aren't smart enough to make computer viruses."
 
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It's the attempt to control people by fear. Things that they don't understand can be easily misrepresented to breed fear and paranoia. The facts that mRNA is degraded almost immediately after translation, and translation is about 20 times faster than transcription means that mRNA has a very short lifetime in living tissue:

People who fear mRNA vaccines aren't trolls. They have been manipulated by trolls. As one immunologist remarked, "vaccine trolling is for (expletive deleted) who aren't smart enough to make computer viruses."
There are not any medical treatments that come without side effects.
Side effects can be serious and severe or mild and annoying.
Of course even mild side effects can become serious when huge amounts of fear are added to them.

Even something as minimal as waving a gloved hand over a test person can cause severe rashes, joint pain, abdominal pain, burning with blisters, stiffness and even blindness....all from a person waving a gloved hand over another person. Because the test subject was scared.

Placebo effects are insane IMHO. add to it real medicine with real side effects....and of course it's going to cause catastrophic effects in a few people.

All that being said....
There is a real list of common unmentioned side effects from mRNA treatment. Not even the fear mongers have said anything about them. Meaning not a one of them is knowledgeable about anything they are discussing. When they dont discuss the known common side effects....they aren't serious about anything they are discussing....meaning they are lying...to amuse themselves. To see how far their lies can go and be repeated. Dumb, stupid stuff like that is where we are at in society. These are the sorts who yell "fire" in a crowded theater or yell "OMG he's got a gun" in a crowded venue then set off a string of firecrackers. We have laws....but nobody seems to care about prosecuting the bad actors.
 

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There are not any medical treatments that come without side effects.
That's a fact. The question is always if the risk of side effects is less than the risk of avoiding treatment. In the case of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19, it's clear that the risks of going unvaccinated are much higher than the risk of being vaccinated. We should note that the risk of dying of COVID-19 during the pandemic were substantial. About one American in every 350 Americans died of the infection.
 

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With the push for receiving the mRNA vaccine (and the adenovirus vector vaccine) being so prominent, it seems as though alternatives to the mRNA vaccine are being forgotten, buried, ignored, or simply being thought of as inferior by many. Regardless of what is to come of these mRNA and adenovirus vaccines and their safety, I will not be receiving them. The mechanism of action is not only entirely questionable scientifically, but it feels in my heart, immoral. Let me explain:

Scientifically speaking, the mechanism of action seems quite dangerous without more studies. This is because these mRNA and adenovirus vaccines insert genetic material encoding the covid spike protein into your cells, where your own cells then express this protein on their plasma membrane .(COVID-19 and Your Health)
I want to see studies showing this mechanism further. Are antibodies to self-antigens produced? Are your own immune cells attacked and neutralized by your own immune system after they express this foreign protein? Are there long-term autoimmune concerns? How long (in real, testable, quantifiable measurements) does the mRNA remain in your cells? (The uridine bases in these mRNA sequences have been replaced with pseudouridine to evade degradation by your cells degradative mechanisms). These are the kinds of questions I would like to see answered. So far I have not found papers that report these studies, but that isn't to say they aren't out there yet (Please share if you find any that answer these questions!). I know for absolute certainty no long term studies have been conducted, and we truly are guinea pigs.

As far as morality goes, I cannot personally take mRNA or adenoviral vectors with a good conscience. Our Lord gave us free will, and a gene pool. I can not use my free will to override my gene pool by inserting the genetic material encoding for a covid spike protein into my cells (even temporarily), provided to us by man.

I have faith in the genome God gave me. I do not put faith in a man made gene encoding for a fragment of a spike protein.

With that being said, it is ultimately up to YOU. Pray to God about this and ask for discernment.

So, what about alternatives? I am going to provide you with a list of alternative Covid vaccines in development that function very similarly to the traditional Flu vaccines (and most of the vaccines that we have all received since birth.) These vaccines function as you would expect a vaccine to function, and allow your immune system to do it’s job as designed by our creator. These vaccines physically introduce a whole pathogen, or protein subunit of a known pathogen, to your body that is then neutralized by the immune system so that antibodies can be made to protect against future encounters. This is how immunity was designed by God and it is how it works biologically after one falls ill after contact with a pathogen. These vaccines will give you protection against Covid-19 without overriding the genome given to you by God by the insertion of foreign genes into your own cells, unlike the mRNA and adenoviral vector vaccines. Long term is still another story. but I am simply discussing the mechanism of action here.

Novavax is the one I have done the most studying up for, so I will mention it specifically as it is far along now in clinical trials and is just as effective (so far) as these mRNA vaccines. https://ir.novavax.com/node/14491/pdf

Here is a small list of other vaccines in development:

https://www.who.int/blueprint/prior...candidate-vaccines-developed-against-sars.pdf

please use discernment with these. ones listed as “protein subunit, inactivated virus, virus-like particle, and live attenuated virus” are examples of ones in this list that simply introduce a pathogen which is then neutralized by the immune system and an antibody defense is generated. This is the tried and true method of vaccination like we have always used, and it works GREAT without overriding your own genome to trick your cells into expressing the viral spike protein. Others may be listed as “DNA” or “adenovirus” and these are typically cells that hijack your own cells transcription/translation machinery in a similar mechanism to mRNA vaccines. These DO override your genetic programming by adding foreign genetic material to your own cells.

Please, consider these alternatives that are coming soon before taking these mRNA based vaccines (and adenoviral or DNA based vaccines). Discuss this in prayer, and with your doctor.

For the record, I am clearly not an anti-vaxxer. Please do take vaccines. I simply am suggesting that perhaps, with our free will, we should not cross certain lines. Genetic manipulation is that line for me, personally. We are not our own god.
Well I have had 9 mRNA covid shots now and have not grown two heads, had my arteries torn apart. The worst side effect I have had is a 2 day soreness where I was vaccinated. Having Lupus, and 3 major heart issues and undergoing sepsis and non covd double pneumonia I am living testimony that the vaccines are as safe as other vaccines. Some will suffer the super majority do not.
 

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There's no genetic manipulation.
It might seem so to those unfamiliar with the "central dogma" of molecular biology. While mRNA does not and (under circumstances in human cells cannot) cause any genetic manipulation, that is not something the average person would known. In fact, in the presence of reverse transcriptase, tRNA could produce double-stranded DNA.

In hundreds of millions of vaccinations, so far, mRNA vaccines have not been found to produce spike protein DNA.
 

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There's no genetic manipulation.
You are lying because you have been lied to.

You have so little understanding it's ridiculousness.
Being fooled by liars is not the same thing as being a liar. People who are fooled need understanding and assistance, not our scorn.

Yes, it can be frustrating, but with God's grace, we can be charitable and understanding.
 

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Being fooled by liars is not the same thing as being a liar. People who are fooled need understanding and assistance, not our scorn.

Yes, it can be frustrating, but with God's grace, we can be charitable and understanding.

Why don't I ever see you in threads discussing God or biblical topics or anything else?
Why are you always on these kind of contentious pseudo-science threads?

You seem obsessed by these topics, their the only ones you get involved in, even digging up old threads from the past to comment on them.
 

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Why don't I ever see you in threads discussing God or biblical topics or anything else?
I just did in the post above. And I have elsewhere:

Perhaps you should try taking part in those threads. You seem obsessed with your pseudoscience; those are the only topics on which I see you taking part.
 
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2 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 And in the thirty-ninth year of his reign, Asa became diseased in his feet, and his malady was severe; yet in his disease he did not seek the LORD, but the physicians. 13 So Asa rested with his fathers; he died in the forty-first year of his reign.
 

Armour of God

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I just did in the post above. And I have elsewhere:

Perhaps you should try taking part in those threads. You seem obsessed with your pseudoscience; those are the only topics on which I see you taking part.

I'm not obsessed with pseudo-science like you are, I just know how to spot them and I call them out.
I take part in heaps of other thread topics.
 

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I'm not obsessed with pseudo-science
I see your denial, but your behavior says otherwise. You're constantly peddling pseudoscience.
I take part in heaps of other thread topics.
As an example, you were completely unaware of my comments about Christian ethics, even on this very thread. Your obsession with weird anti-science ideas seems to overwhelm anything else you might care about.